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		<title>By: RBies</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2013/02/10/how-battery-improvements-will-revolutionize-the-design-of-the-electric-car/#comment-1319860</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Mar 2013 14:10:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;In other words, today’s $20,000 Tesla battery would allow a 500 mile range for the same 1200 lbs. And in another 7 1/2 years from there, it should be 600 lbs. and run $10,000.&quot;

And have a 1,000 mile range according to Agassi.
And then in another 7 1/2 years from there, it should be 300 lbs., run $5,000 and have a range of 2,000 miles.
And in another 7 1/2 years from there, it should be 150 lbs., run $2,500, and have a range of 4,000 miles.
And in another 7 1/2 years from there, it should be 75 lbs., run $1,250, and have a range of 8,000 miles.
And then (according the Agassi) sometime before the year 2060, it should be 37.5 lbs, run $625, and have a range of 16,000 miles.

That&#039;s right folks!  According to Agassi, by the year 2060 you will be able to drive an entire year&#039;s worth of miles on ONE CHARGE!

So warm and fuzzy!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;In other words, today’s $20,000 Tesla battery would allow a 500 mile range for the same 1200 lbs. And in another 7 1/2 years from there, it should be 600 lbs. and run $10,000.&#8221;</p>
<p>And have a 1,000 mile range according to Agassi.<br />
And then in another 7 1/2 years from there, it should be 300 lbs., run $5,000 and have a range of 2,000 miles.<br />
And in another 7 1/2 years from there, it should be 150 lbs., run $2,500, and have a range of 4,000 miles.<br />
And in another 7 1/2 years from there, it should be 75 lbs., run $1,250, and have a range of 8,000 miles.<br />
And then (according the Agassi) sometime before the year 2060, it should be 37.5 lbs, run $625, and have a range of 16,000 miles.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s right folks!  According to Agassi, by the year 2060 you will be able to drive an entire year&#8217;s worth of miles on ONE CHARGE!</p>
<p>So warm and fuzzy!</p>
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		<title>By: RBies</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2013/02/10/how-battery-improvements-will-revolutionize-the-design-of-the-electric-car/#comment-1319857</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[RBies]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Mar 2013 14:02:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Has it ever occurred to you that if every car in the country were battery powered, we might be fighting foreign wars to protect the mineral deposits used to make the batteries?

Or how about the fact that the EV industry has just as much of a motive as the oil industry does, to promote arguments based on fear and junk science in order to protect itself?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has it ever occurred to you that if every car in the country were battery powered, we might be fighting foreign wars to protect the mineral deposits used to make the batteries?</p>
<p>Or how about the fact that the EV industry has just as much of a motive as the oil industry does, to promote arguments based on fear and junk science in order to protect itself?</p>
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		<title>By: RBies</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2013/02/10/how-battery-improvements-will-revolutionize-the-design-of-the-electric-car/#comment-1319856</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[RBies]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Mar 2013 13:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;you stand an excellent chance of miscarriage&quot;

How do you explain the fact that our society has been able to have enough live births to increase the population size, when nearly every fetus since the 1930&#039;s has been exposed to these fumes on multiple occasions?  Exaggerate things much?

And if we&#039;re really concerned about harmful effects to OUR fetuses, does that mean it is morally okay to just ship manufacturing of batteries and battery components over to China and let them deal with the pollution from it?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;you stand an excellent chance of miscarriage&#8221;</p>
<p>How do you explain the fact that our society has been able to have enough live births to increase the population size, when nearly every fetus since the 1930&#8242;s has been exposed to these fumes on multiple occasions?  Exaggerate things much?</p>
<p>And if we&#8217;re really concerned about harmful effects to OUR fetuses, does that mean it is morally okay to just ship manufacturing of batteries and battery components over to China and let them deal with the pollution from it?</p>
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		<title>By: RBies</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2013/02/10/how-battery-improvements-will-revolutionize-the-design-of-the-electric-car/#comment-1319851</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[RBies]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Mar 2013 13:44:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The surface area of a car that could be used to create energy from solar panels is incredibly small relative to the energy required to move a vehicle with people in it.  Solar panels cheap enough to put on &quot;low-cost models&quot; wouldn&#039;t produce enough energy to move their own weight.  Solar panels light enough to produce enough energy to move their own weight are too expensive for &quot;low-cost models.&quot;

But seeing those panels will surely make you feel all warm and fuzzy inside!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The surface area of a car that could be used to create energy from solar panels is incredibly small relative to the energy required to move a vehicle with people in it.  Solar panels cheap enough to put on &#8220;low-cost models&#8221; wouldn&#8217;t produce enough energy to move their own weight.  Solar panels light enough to produce enough energy to move their own weight are too expensive for &#8220;low-cost models.&#8221;</p>
<p>But seeing those panels will surely make you feel all warm and fuzzy inside!</p>
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		<title>By: RBies</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2013/02/10/how-battery-improvements-will-revolutionize-the-design-of-the-electric-car/#comment-1319849</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[RBies]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Mar 2013 13:36:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Those sound like very scary things!

But given that manufacturing EV&#039;s requires very expensive, high energy consuming (and polluting) inputs.  And that supplying the grid with electricity to charge them results in lots and lots of pollution, do electric vehicles really even mitigate the effects of pollution?  Just because pollution from EV&#039;s isn&#039;t manifestly obvious in our country, doesn&#039;t mean it has been eliminated.  And the bogeyman of &quot;national security&quot; can be used to support nearly any cause anyone can dream up.  Give me a break!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those sound like very scary things!</p>
<p>But given that manufacturing EV&#8217;s requires very expensive, high energy consuming (and polluting) inputs.  And that supplying the grid with electricity to charge them results in lots and lots of pollution, do electric vehicles really even mitigate the effects of pollution?  Just because pollution from EV&#8217;s isn&#8217;t manifestly obvious in our country, doesn&#8217;t mean it has been eliminated.  And the bogeyman of &#8220;national security&#8221; can be used to support nearly any cause anyone can dream up.  Give me a break!</p>
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		<title>By: RBies</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2013/02/10/how-battery-improvements-will-revolutionize-the-design-of-the-electric-car/#comment-1319843</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[RBies]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Mar 2013 13:19:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Driving nearly 20k miles a year, that saves me about $3500 in gas costs per year.&quot;

--20k miles a year?  REALLY!!!???  Do you work 10 hours per day, 6 days per week as a pizza delivery driver?  Are you a long-haul trucker?  20,000/365 = 54.8 miles per day.  20,000/260 (260 workdays in a year) = 77 miles per day.
Very few people actually drive that much on a consistent basis in their own personal vehicle.  The average American female drives less than 12k miles per year and the stats for American men are skewed by occupations that require driving as part of the job.  Truckers, cab drivers, delivery drivers, etc.

You&#039;re not saving money!  You merely pre-paid your energy expenditures and hid them from yourself in the price of the vehicle--]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Driving nearly 20k miles a year, that saves me about $3500 in gas costs per year.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8211;20k miles a year?  REALLY!!!???  Do you work 10 hours per day, 6 days per week as a pizza delivery driver?  Are you a long-haul trucker?  20,000/365 = 54.8 miles per day.  20,000/260 (260 workdays in a year) = 77 miles per day.<br />
Very few people actually drive that much on a consistent basis in their own personal vehicle.  The average American female drives less than 12k miles per year and the stats for American men are skewed by occupations that require driving as part of the job.  Truckers, cab drivers, delivery drivers, etc.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re not saving money!  You merely pre-paid your energy expenditures and hid them from yourself in the price of the vehicle&#8211;</p>
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		<title>By: RBies</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2013/02/10/how-battery-improvements-will-revolutionize-the-design-of-the-electric-car/#comment-1319743</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[RBies]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Mar 2013 03:32:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just some of the crazy nonsense in these comments:

&quot;The other cool thing about Tesla’s battery is that they can make it into any shape they want. This will be important when electric power trains start branching into more areas.&quot;

--Electric power trains will &quot;start branching into more areas&quot; right about the same time we discover the dilithium crystals and antimatter technology to harness them--

&quot;Today, in my neighborhood, $4.17/gallon for regular unleaded. One tank will cost me $70 for my ICE vehicle. One MONTH of charging will cost me $60 in my Tesla. Driving nearly 20k miles a year, that saves me about $3500 in gas costs per year. So, in 5 years, I’ll have saved nearly $18k in ownership costs, and that doesn’t even include the fact that there is no ICE engine to repair, no oil services, no smog checks.&quot;

--If you&#039;re purchasing the Tesla to &quot;save&quot; money, then you have to factor in an appropriate discount rate for the premium you are paying up front on the vehicle purchase.  Not gonna be &quot;saving&quot; so much after you factor that in--

&quot;Nice rd2! You forgot to mention your reduction in carbon foot print.&quot;

--Since when is buying a machine that requires $100K worth of inputs to build a &quot;reduction in carbon footprint?  Well I guess if you trade in your private jet and get the Tesla instead, then yes, you would be reducing your carbon footprint.-- 

&quot;Induction charging technologies will one day keep you EV charged as you roll down the highway.&quot;

--Where do you people come up with these pie-in-the-sky ideas?  Just because something is technically possible to do on a ridiculously small scale, doesn&#039;t mean that it will ever be cost effective on a large scale.  Two words:  Dilithium Crystals!--

&quot;Also, I can’t believe there are people that think in the year 2013 it is cool to drive arround in 100 plus year technology. The ICE is ridiculously outdated. And ironically, electric vehicles have been around since the ICE.&quot;

--The Egyptians had a battery thousands of years ago.  Doesn&#039;t that mean driving around on battery power is even more ridiculously outdated and even less cool than using an internal combustion engine?--

&quot;In 90 months, or 7 1/2 years, we should have a battery that is twice as energy dense as today’s and costs half as much per kw/hour. In other words, today’s $20,000 Tesla battery would allow a 500 mile range for the same 1200 lbs. And in another 7 1/2 years from there, it should be 600 lbs. and run $10,000. At that point, why would anyone buy an internal-combustion car?&quot;

--Why do you blindly trust their feel-good marketing pitch?  This will never happen!  You can&#039;t fairly analogize the battery design and manufacturing industry to the computer industry because they are so dissimilar.  A doubling in the core performance metrics every ten years is beyond the physical limits of the materials available on this planet.  Lets take your logic a step further:  And in another 7 1/2 years from there, it should be 300 lbs. and run $5,000.  And in another 7 1/2 years from there, it should be 150 lbs. and run $2,500.  And in another 7 1/2 years from there, it should be 75 lbs. and run $1,250.  And in another 7 1/2 years from there, Vulcans land on our planet and share their dilithium crystal/anti-matter containment technology with us and we&#039;re off galavanting through space at 10 times the speed of light with the ability to stop on a dime even though there is no source of friction in the vacuum of space--]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just some of the crazy nonsense in these comments:</p>
<p>&#8220;The other cool thing about Tesla’s battery is that they can make it into any shape they want. This will be important when electric power trains start branching into more areas.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8211;Electric power trains will &#8220;start branching into more areas&#8221; right about the same time we discover the dilithium crystals and antimatter technology to harness them&#8211;</p>
<p>&#8220;Today, in my neighborhood, $4.17/gallon for regular unleaded. One tank will cost me $70 for my ICE vehicle. One MONTH of charging will cost me $60 in my Tesla. Driving nearly 20k miles a year, that saves me about $3500 in gas costs per year. So, in 5 years, I’ll have saved nearly $18k in ownership costs, and that doesn’t even include the fact that there is no ICE engine to repair, no oil services, no smog checks.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8211;If you&#8217;re purchasing the Tesla to &#8220;save&#8221; money, then you have to factor in an appropriate discount rate for the premium you are paying up front on the vehicle purchase.  Not gonna be &#8220;saving&#8221; so much after you factor that in&#8211;</p>
<p>&#8220;Nice rd2! You forgot to mention your reduction in carbon foot print.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8211;Since when is buying a machine that requires $100K worth of inputs to build a &#8220;reduction in carbon footprint?  Well I guess if you trade in your private jet and get the Tesla instead, then yes, you would be reducing your carbon footprint.&#8211; </p>
<p>&#8220;Induction charging technologies will one day keep you EV charged as you roll down the highway.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8211;Where do you people come up with these pie-in-the-sky ideas?  Just because something is technically possible to do on a ridiculously small scale, doesn&#8217;t mean that it will ever be cost effective on a large scale.  Two words:  Dilithium Crystals!&#8211;</p>
<p>&#8220;Also, I can’t believe there are people that think in the year 2013 it is cool to drive arround in 100 plus year technology. The ICE is ridiculously outdated. And ironically, electric vehicles have been around since the ICE.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8211;The Egyptians had a battery thousands of years ago.  Doesn&#8217;t that mean driving around on battery power is even more ridiculously outdated and even less cool than using an internal combustion engine?&#8211;</p>
<p>&#8220;In 90 months, or 7 1/2 years, we should have a battery that is twice as energy dense as today’s and costs half as much per kw/hour. In other words, today’s $20,000 Tesla battery would allow a 500 mile range for the same 1200 lbs. And in another 7 1/2 years from there, it should be 600 lbs. and run $10,000. At that point, why would anyone buy an internal-combustion car?&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8211;Why do you blindly trust their feel-good marketing pitch?  This will never happen!  You can&#8217;t fairly analogize the battery design and manufacturing industry to the computer industry because they are so dissimilar.  A doubling in the core performance metrics every ten years is beyond the physical limits of the materials available on this planet.  Lets take your logic a step further:  And in another 7 1/2 years from there, it should be 300 lbs. and run $5,000.  And in another 7 1/2 years from there, it should be 150 lbs. and run $2,500.  And in another 7 1/2 years from there, it should be 75 lbs. and run $1,250.  And in another 7 1/2 years from there, Vulcans land on our planet and share their dilithium crystal/anti-matter containment technology with us and we&#8217;re off galavanting through space at 10 times the speed of light with the ability to stop on a dime even though there is no source of friction in the vacuum of space&#8211;</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Farragut</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2013/02/10/how-battery-improvements-will-revolutionize-the-design-of-the-electric-car/#comment-1311533</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Daniel Farragut]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2013 14:32:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[James, please move aside. You are blocking the door to the Tesla store and I am desperately trying to get inside so I can put down my deposit for a car that cannot be built fast enough. I will probably have to wait 6 to 9 months for delivery like the rest of Tesla&#039;s thousands of customers so I need to get in today. I will be sure to wave at you when I pass you on the highway from my Model X in the HOV lanes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James, please move aside. You are blocking the door to the Tesla store and I am desperately trying to get inside so I can put down my deposit for a car that cannot be built fast enough. I will probably have to wait 6 to 9 months for delivery like the rest of Tesla&#8217;s thousands of customers so I need to get in today. I will be sure to wave at you when I pass you on the highway from my Model X in the HOV lanes.</p>
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		<title>By: JP</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2013/02/10/how-battery-improvements-will-revolutionize-the-design-of-the-electric-car/#comment-1311325</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JP]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2013 00:32:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the off topic Kandi spam.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the off topic Kandi spam.</p>
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		<title>By: AlexB</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2013/02/10/how-battery-improvements-will-revolutionize-the-design-of-the-electric-car/#comment-1310846</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AlexB]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2013 18:47:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As a Nissan Leaf owner with a 2nd family car as a gas car, I just don&#039;t think this debate is relevant for the vast majority of potential electric car owners.  My electric car is a commuting and around town car, if we go on a trip we use the gas car - period.  There is no public charging infrastructure in NJ and that is fine with me, I charge at home while I sleep.  After having the car for 1 year, I can count on one hand the number of times I have had to take the gas car on a trip.  

And... it is a really great car - drives like a dream.  Costs me ~$30 a month in electricity. 

As for reduction of range due to cold weather - I can honestly say this has just not been an issue for me.  

And maybe we should consider how we are turning our planet into Venus?  Maybe that does matter?

But my main point is... if you are trying to use your electric car to drive across country - relying on public charge stations and such... maybe this just isn&#039;t the basic use case for the car? Maybe you are missing the point of an electric car?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a Nissan Leaf owner with a 2nd family car as a gas car, I just don&#8217;t think this debate is relevant for the vast majority of potential electric car owners.  My electric car is a commuting and around town car, if we go on a trip we use the gas car &#8211; period.  There is no public charging infrastructure in NJ and that is fine with me, I charge at home while I sleep.  After having the car for 1 year, I can count on one hand the number of times I have had to take the gas car on a trip.  </p>
<p>And&#8230; it is a really great car &#8211; drives like a dream.  Costs me ~$30 a month in electricity. </p>
<p>As for reduction of range due to cold weather &#8211; I can honestly say this has just not been an issue for me.  </p>
<p>And maybe we should consider how we are turning our planet into Venus?  Maybe that does matter?</p>
<p>But my main point is&#8230; if you are trying to use your electric car to drive across country &#8211; relying on public charge stations and such&#8230; maybe this just isn&#8217;t the basic use case for the car? Maybe you are missing the point of an electric car?</p>
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