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		<title>By: Joe B.</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joe B.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2013 23:38:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, but the issue is that financing for this infrastructure simply isn&#039;t available.  Nobody wants to invest money in a dull boring FTTH company these days -- they all want to start the &quot;next facebook&quot; or &quot;next google&quot;.

That&#039;s why you can fine boutique FTTH companies like Paxio and Sonic but not large ones.  There is no source of financing to take a small provider and let them scale up.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, but the issue is that financing for this infrastructure simply isn&#8217;t available.  Nobody wants to invest money in a dull boring FTTH company these days &#8212; they all want to start the &#8220;next facebook&#8221; or &#8220;next google&#8221;.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s why you can fine boutique FTTH companies like Paxio and Sonic but not large ones.  There is no source of financing to take a small provider and let them scale up.</p>
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		<title>By: elfonblog</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[elfonblog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2013 07:53:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t know what, if any ties Stacey has with Google, but I think she&#039;s to be commended for this article. Her articles are often glowingly sympathetic to the monopoly Internet industry, to the point of leaving out major controversies to avoid offending them. I&#039;m not aware of anything she&#039;s ever written marginally critical of them besides this article, even if it boils down to &quot;you guys are great - and you can be even greater!&quot; lol.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know what, if any ties Stacey has with Google, but I think she&#8217;s to be commended for this article. Her articles are often glowingly sympathetic to the monopoly Internet industry, to the point of leaving out major controversies to avoid offending them. I&#8217;m not aware of anything she&#8217;s ever written marginally critical of them besides this article, even if it boils down to &#8220;you guys are great &#8211; and you can be even greater!&#8221; lol.</p>
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		<title>By: elfonblog</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[elfonblog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2013 07:33:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You said it, James! But I agree with Eric&#039;s other points, other than omitting the staggering profits the monopoly ISPs make, which more than compensate for the trouble in acquiring a loan these days. 90-95% profit margin. Think about it. I just can&#039;t feel sympathy for monopoly ISPs which make record profits while jealously hoarding the infrastructure that ought to be nationalized. It&#039;s their only tangible bargaining chip. They also have intangible ones in the cronyism they enjoy with the FCC and legislators. The industry is so shameless, that I even doubt how much the shame of public exposure could affect them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You said it, James! But I agree with Eric&#8217;s other points, other than omitting the staggering profits the monopoly ISPs make, which more than compensate for the trouble in acquiring a loan these days. 90-95% profit margin. Think about it. I just can&#8217;t feel sympathy for monopoly ISPs which make record profits while jealously hoarding the infrastructure that ought to be nationalized. It&#8217;s their only tangible bargaining chip. They also have intangible ones in the cronyism they enjoy with the FCC and legislators. The industry is so shameless, that I even doubt how much the shame of public exposure could affect them.</p>
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		<title>By: elfonblog</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[elfonblog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2013 07:19:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My hat&#039;s off to you, sir. You said this better than me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My hat&#8217;s off to you, sir. You said this better than me.</p>
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		<title>By: elfonblog</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[elfonblog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2013 07:08:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m not certain that using a microchip maker as an analogy for a broadband provider is entirely accurate. I suspect they are beholden to different pressures. But I like what this article attempts to demonstrate. How do we get monopoly telcom/ISPs to feel incentive to upgrade their networks when they see easier profits in just raising prices through the foreseeable future?

Intel does keep producing faster and faster chips despite the fact that they make no more money than the previous product generations did. And Intel keeps their mitts off content. Everyone wants the latest iSore, and these need the latest chips. So Intel is more of a neutral arms dealer, for someone else&#039;s competitions. But Intel doesn&#039;t have the freedom to put it&#039;s foot down and say &quot;guys, we&#039;re sick of spending our profit on R&amp;D and constructing new fab facilities. Why don&#039;t y&#039;all just use our last generation product more carefully, until we feel there&#039;s profit in a faster one?&quot; Intel doesn&#039;t own the ruling link of the food chain it lives in. Intel has to stay on top of things or they&#039;ll be replaced. They can&#039;t make profit by imposing tolls like the monopoly ISPs do.

ISPs aren&#039;t feeling this kind of heat, and they&#039;ve outlawed municipal competition, for all intents and purposes. They don&#039;t make a bazillion dollars rolling out new and better things each year. Hipsters don&#039;t whip out their sleek new cable modems or boast proudly about their ISP&#039;s staggering new capacity. Monopoly ISPs aren&#039;t innovative. They&#039;re authoritative. So here too, the analogy breaks down.

Only one thing will even the playing field, and that&#039;s reversing the unfair advantages the monopolies enjoy. It was a criminal mistake to rule that the monopoly ISPs could have exclusive use of publicly funded infrastructure. That should be remedied immediately. Nationalize that publicly funded infrastructure and light up all the dark fiber. Open it up to all competitors AT COST. And do it quickly, instead of slowly and painlessly for the incumbents. 

I&#039;d like to see a new round of infrastructure funding for municipalities and new competition that will run fiber to homes and businesses. The existing monopoly ISPs had their chance, and THEY BLEW IT, so they get excluded. Relieved of the burden of maintaining and expanding the networks, one would expect their services to become cheaper by a few cents. Faced with stiff competition, they would drop TO mere pennies. And they&#039;d still be profitable.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not certain that using a microchip maker as an analogy for a broadband provider is entirely accurate. I suspect they are beholden to different pressures. But I like what this article attempts to demonstrate. How do we get monopoly telcom/ISPs to feel incentive to upgrade their networks when they see easier profits in just raising prices through the foreseeable future?</p>
<p>Intel does keep producing faster and faster chips despite the fact that they make no more money than the previous product generations did. And Intel keeps their mitts off content. Everyone wants the latest iSore, and these need the latest chips. So Intel is more of a neutral arms dealer, for someone else&#8217;s competitions. But Intel doesn&#8217;t have the freedom to put it&#8217;s foot down and say &#8220;guys, we&#8217;re sick of spending our profit on R&amp;D and constructing new fab facilities. Why don&#8217;t y&#8217;all just use our last generation product more carefully, until we feel there&#8217;s profit in a faster one?&#8221; Intel doesn&#8217;t own the ruling link of the food chain it lives in. Intel has to stay on top of things or they&#8217;ll be replaced. They can&#8217;t make profit by imposing tolls like the monopoly ISPs do.</p>
<p>ISPs aren&#8217;t feeling this kind of heat, and they&#8217;ve outlawed municipal competition, for all intents and purposes. They don&#8217;t make a bazillion dollars rolling out new and better things each year. Hipsters don&#8217;t whip out their sleek new cable modems or boast proudly about their ISP&#8217;s staggering new capacity. Monopoly ISPs aren&#8217;t innovative. They&#8217;re authoritative. So here too, the analogy breaks down.</p>
<p>Only one thing will even the playing field, and that&#8217;s reversing the unfair advantages the monopolies enjoy. It was a criminal mistake to rule that the monopoly ISPs could have exclusive use of publicly funded infrastructure. That should be remedied immediately. Nationalize that publicly funded infrastructure and light up all the dark fiber. Open it up to all competitors AT COST. And do it quickly, instead of slowly and painlessly for the incumbents. </p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to see a new round of infrastructure funding for municipalities and new competition that will run fiber to homes and businesses. The existing monopoly ISPs had their chance, and THEY BLEW IT, so they get excluded. Relieved of the burden of maintaining and expanding the networks, one would expect their services to become cheaper by a few cents. Faced with stiff competition, they would drop TO mere pennies. And they&#8217;d still be profitable.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Elling</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Elling]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2013 16:05:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If you mention Intel, you need to reference the virtuous Wintel model, including MSFT and its hardware/software ecosystem.  If you mention the latter you need to mention that IBM&#039;s Gerstner saw it coming and went &quot;horizontal&quot; in the early 1990s, thereby benefiting from the Wintel model implementing vertically complete computing systems for the global F5000.  If you mention Wintel, then you need to mention the internet, which was a direct outgrowth of the breakup of AT&amp;T, as the very same bandwidth monopolists of today were crying for regulatory relief against WAN encroachment to their Class 5 hegemond in the mid-to-late 1980s.  The result was expanded local calling areas with flat rate dial-up enabling ISPs to build low cost, nationwide layer 1-2 networks by which the internet was &quot;freely&quot; accessed as it scaled in the 1990s.

The list of interrelated events and developments over the past 30 years is large and complex.  I could go on for pages; and I didn&#039;t even begin to mention wireless (802.11, smartphone, LTE, etc...).  But one common theme remains; everything in those models was and is horizontally oriented and scaled.  Even Apple develops vertically complete (and unfortunately siloed) solutions.  Until the vertically integrated ISPs figure out or are shown horizontal business models and industry frameworks that make sense, the status quo will remain and we will continue to see bandwidth pricing disconnected from both Moore&#039;s and Metcalfe&#039;s laws.  At the same time capitalists, regulators, academics and trade management need to realize that vertically integrated, balkanized networks, do not and cannot scale rapidly depreciating technology at every layer across constantly shifting demand that is constrained and limited by inefficient policies and industry structures.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you mention Intel, you need to reference the virtuous Wintel model, including MSFT and its hardware/software ecosystem.  If you mention the latter you need to mention that IBM&#8217;s Gerstner saw it coming and went &#8220;horizontal&#8221; in the early 1990s, thereby benefiting from the Wintel model implementing vertically complete computing systems for the global F5000.  If you mention Wintel, then you need to mention the internet, which was a direct outgrowth of the breakup of AT&amp;T, as the very same bandwidth monopolists of today were crying for regulatory relief against WAN encroachment to their Class 5 hegemond in the mid-to-late 1980s.  The result was expanded local calling areas with flat rate dial-up enabling ISPs to build low cost, nationwide layer 1-2 networks by which the internet was &#8220;freely&#8221; accessed as it scaled in the 1990s.</p>
<p>The list of interrelated events and developments over the past 30 years is large and complex.  I could go on for pages; and I didn&#8217;t even begin to mention wireless (802.11, smartphone, LTE, etc&#8230;).  But one common theme remains; everything in those models was and is horizontally oriented and scaled.  Even Apple develops vertically complete (and unfortunately siloed) solutions.  Until the vertically integrated ISPs figure out or are shown horizontal business models and industry frameworks that make sense, the status quo will remain and we will continue to see bandwidth pricing disconnected from both Moore&#8217;s and Metcalfe&#8217;s laws.  At the same time capitalists, regulators, academics and trade management need to realize that vertically integrated, balkanized networks, do not and cannot scale rapidly depreciating technology at every layer across constantly shifting demand that is constrained and limited by inefficient policies and industry structures.</p>
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		<title>By: Stacey Higginbotham</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stacey Higginbotham]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2013 14:20:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That chart is from a Google presentation.  As for your experience, I will say everyone&#039;s will be different in the U.S. owing to how ISPs price their services. My broadband connection has tripled in the last five years  to 30 Mbps but my bill has gone from $40 per month to $73 (if i lived in Kansas City I could have a gigabit for that price) 

Some might argue that&#039;s reasonable, but I look at that trajectory and compare it to the computer industry where prices halve every 18 months to 2 years for the same performance (or even better) and I see a roadblock for innovation. Google, Sonic.Net, and I hope others, are proving that it doesn&#039;t have to be that was for broadband.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That chart is from a Google presentation.  As for your experience, I will say everyone&#8217;s will be different in the U.S. owing to how ISPs price their services. My broadband connection has tripled in the last five years  to 30 Mbps but my bill has gone from $40 per month to $73 (if i lived in Kansas City I could have a gigabit for that price) </p>
<p>Some might argue that&#8217;s reasonable, but I look at that trajectory and compare it to the computer industry where prices halve every 18 months to 2 years for the same performance (or even better) and I see a roadblock for innovation. Google, Sonic.Net, and I hope others, are proving that it doesn&#8217;t have to be that was for broadband.</p>
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		<title>By: Stacey Higginbotham</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stacey Higginbotham]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2013 14:15:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The capital costs of putting in a network are large. But, a vast majority of that construction can be amortized over decades. If they go in today for example and put in conduit and then string fiber through it, they are spending big, but can future-proof their network for generations. Upgrading the home equipment -- at the termination point and any CPE is a bit tricker. The termination point is honestly the only place they need to invest anymore if they go to an all-IP system. For example Time Warner is using the ROKU box as its CPE in some cases -- a cost of  maybe $70-$90 per box (That&#039;s what consumers pay, not TWC).

So, even if you hate the Intel example, although I think the fabs and equipment investment and innovation that Intel pushes are analogous, it&#039;s unrealistic for ISPs to constantly pull out the up front costs for their mindset without a) pushing for more innovation that would lower those costs or b) sharing with us the actual costs per MB for last-mile access. 

Cable for example says it has 90-95 percent profit margins on broadband services, hardly something I&#039;d cry over. Plus, as the chart I included shows their cost of transit is shrinking, so even if they are buying more of it, they are still charging consumers  far more per megabit.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The capital costs of putting in a network are large. But, a vast majority of that construction can be amortized over decades. If they go in today for example and put in conduit and then string fiber through it, they are spending big, but can future-proof their network for generations. Upgrading the home equipment &#8212; at the termination point and any CPE is a bit tricker. The termination point is honestly the only place they need to invest anymore if they go to an all-IP system. For example Time Warner is using the ROKU box as its CPE in some cases &#8212; a cost of  maybe $70-$90 per box (That&#8217;s what consumers pay, not TWC).</p>
<p>So, even if you hate the Intel example, although I think the fabs and equipment investment and innovation that Intel pushes are analogous, it&#8217;s unrealistic for ISPs to constantly pull out the up front costs for their mindset without a) pushing for more innovation that would lower those costs or b) sharing with us the actual costs per MB for last-mile access. </p>
<p>Cable for example says it has 90-95 percent profit margins on broadband services, hardly something I&#8217;d cry over. Plus, as the chart I included shows their cost of transit is shrinking, so even if they are buying more of it, they are still charging consumers  far more per megabit.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff John Roberts</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff John Roberts]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2013 14:07:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for calling our attention to this. GigaOM strives to provide our readers with clean copy but occasionally typos will slip by (as AS surmised, this can happen on the weekend when we have scant editorial resources). The typos in this article has been fixed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for calling our attention to this. GigaOM strives to provide our readers with clean copy but occasionally typos will slip by (as AS surmised, this can happen on the weekend when we have scant editorial resources). The typos in this article has been fixed.</p>
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		<title>By: jdrch</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jdrch]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2013 12:54:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Stacey, where are you getting your price/Mb/s data from? My broadband speed has more than doubled over the past the decade, but the price of the connection hasn&#039;t.

&quot;ISPs are implementing caps and incentives that are aimed to preventing people from using broadband — or at least second guessing themselves when they do. Should I buy a Dropcam? It uses 60 GB a month of data? Should I download the entire Lord of The Rings trilogy in HD or will that push me over my quota for the month?&quot;
- I wrote about this in 2011: https://jdrch.wordpress.com/2011/07/14/isp-bandwith-caps-disincentivize-faster-connections-for-consumers/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stacey, where are you getting your price/Mb/s data from? My broadband speed has more than doubled over the past the decade, but the price of the connection hasn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>&#8220;ISPs are implementing caps and incentives that are aimed to preventing people from using broadband — or at least second guessing themselves when they do. Should I buy a Dropcam? It uses 60 GB a month of data? Should I download the entire Lord of The Rings trilogy in HD or will that push me over my quota for the month?&#8221;<br />
- I wrote about this in 2011: <a href="https://jdrch.wordpress.com/2011/07/14/isp-bandwith-caps-disincentivize-faster-connections-for-consumers/" rel="nofollow">https://jdrch.wordpress.com/2011/07/14/isp-bandwith-caps-disincentivize-faster-connections-for-consumers/</a></p>
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