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		<title>By: Ben Ramirez</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2013/01/26/the-delusions-that-companies-have-about-the-cloud/#comment-1324201</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ben Ramirez]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Mar 2013 22:47:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Eh...where have you been?  Large Enterprises have a good reason not to move critical applications and data to the cloud:  Data Protection.

And that&#039;s a very big deal.  Cloud vendors are worried more about data replication and less on resiliency of the software (Think OpenStack, CloudStack, and others).

Time lost and especially data compromise will be enough to doubt the minds of large enterprise executives.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eh&#8230;where have you been?  Large Enterprises have a good reason not to move critical applications and data to the cloud:  Data Protection.</p>
<p>And that&#8217;s a very big deal.  Cloud vendors are worried more about data replication and less on resiliency of the software (Think OpenStack, CloudStack, and others).</p>
<p>Time lost and especially data compromise will be enough to doubt the minds of large enterprise executives.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2013/01/26/the-delusions-that-companies-have-about-the-cloud/#comment-1316740</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2013 17:51:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What a load of horse dung!!! You&#039;d have to be insane to intentionally give a company like Google access to all of your internal company info. That&#039;s about as insane as giving Mitt Romney access to your bank account.

The &quot;Cloud&quot; is just a fancy new way to say &quot;Internet&quot;. You might as well just send all your confidential company data straight to China and save their hackers some work, because we all know it&#039;s going to end up there anyway.

Nice try Google, but no thanks!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a load of horse dung!!! You&#8217;d have to be insane to intentionally give a company like Google access to all of your internal company info. That&#8217;s about as insane as giving Mitt Romney access to your bank account.</p>
<p>The &#8220;Cloud&#8221; is just a fancy new way to say &#8220;Internet&#8221;. You might as well just send all your confidential company data straight to China and save their hackers some work, because we all know it&#8217;s going to end up there anyway.</p>
<p>Nice try Google, but no thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: tomcpp</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2013/01/26/the-delusions-that-companies-have-about-the-cloud/#comment-1316473</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[tomcpp]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2013 15:24:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This whole thing reminds me a lot of the &quot;mainframe&quot; versus &quot;PC&quot; discussions. Academics and huge companies ... firmly on the side of the mainframe (which, like the cloud today, was a vendor-managed datacenter, it was even drawn in schematics exactly the same way : a little cloud). The PC fought on the other side. People could actually do things with PC&#039;s while vendors just sold their pre-made inflexible applications.

There is no question in my mind as to who will win this time around, same as last time. People should look at it in two ways. First there&#039;s a nice opportunity forming for migrating companies into the cloud, and you can focus on that. Certainly lots of cloud migrations will happen in the near future.

The huge opportunity, of course, is to found the company that will be to Google what Microsoft was to IBM. It will be a lot easier if you do it while everybody still has windows laptops.

Specialized custom applications versus generic vendor-controlled huge applications. When it comes to cost-saving generic solutions the cloud beat the cloud. When it comes to adapting to changing circumstances, small, custom, distributed applications will, once again, eat the cloud alive.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This whole thing reminds me a lot of the &#8220;mainframe&#8221; versus &#8220;PC&#8221; discussions. Academics and huge companies &#8230; firmly on the side of the mainframe (which, like the cloud today, was a vendor-managed datacenter, it was even drawn in schematics exactly the same way : a little cloud). The PC fought on the other side. People could actually do things with PC&#8217;s while vendors just sold their pre-made inflexible applications.</p>
<p>There is no question in my mind as to who will win this time around, same as last time. People should look at it in two ways. First there&#8217;s a nice opportunity forming for migrating companies into the cloud, and you can focus on that. Certainly lots of cloud migrations will happen in the near future.</p>
<p>The huge opportunity, of course, is to found the company that will be to Google what Microsoft was to IBM. It will be a lot easier if you do it while everybody still has windows laptops.</p>
<p>Specialized custom applications versus generic vendor-controlled huge applications. When it comes to cost-saving generic solutions the cloud beat the cloud. When it comes to adapting to changing circumstances, small, custom, distributed applications will, once again, eat the cloud alive.</p>
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		<title>By: tomcpp</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2013/01/26/the-delusions-that-companies-have-about-the-cloud/#comment-1316469</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[tomcpp]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2013 15:15:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Of course you can. Always store the data encrypted (do that regardless of any of these arguments, it&#039;s easy enough). Don&#039;t keep the key inside AWS except in host memory where it can&#039;t be (reasonably) extracted.

To delete, delete the 20 bytes that form the password. The data is gone, and nobody, not google, not amazon, no CA judge, not barack obama himself can order it restored.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course you can. Always store the data encrypted (do that regardless of any of these arguments, it&#8217;s easy enough). Don&#8217;t keep the key inside AWS except in host memory where it can&#8217;t be (reasonably) extracted.</p>
<p>To delete, delete the 20 bytes that form the password. The data is gone, and nobody, not google, not amazon, no CA judge, not barack obama himself can order it restored.</p>
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		<title>By: No Name</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2013/01/26/the-delusions-that-companies-have-about-the-cloud/#comment-1316464</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[No Name]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2013 14:59:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The customer is always right. If customers need someone on the phone to yell at, then provide it for them. Charge $1000/month for Platinum support. Hire some therapists to field these calls and soothe your customers. Nothing changes except the *perception* that someone has heard their complaints.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The customer is always right. If customers need someone on the phone to yell at, then provide it for them. Charge $1000/month for Platinum support. Hire some therapists to field these calls and soothe your customers. Nothing changes except the *perception* that someone has heard their complaints.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray Bay</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2013/01/26/the-delusions-that-companies-have-about-the-cloud/#comment-1316327</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ray Bay]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2013 01:14:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What about Google deleting blogs, and then not being able to contact them... :)

Happened to me, and took me 3 weeks to get back one blog; I had two disappear.

Don&#039;t get me wrong I concur with your arguments 100%.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about Google deleting blogs, and then not being able to contact them&#8230; :)</p>
<p>Happened to me, and took me 3 weeks to get back one blog; I had two disappear.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t get me wrong I concur with your arguments 100%.</p>
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		<title>By: SecureMail</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2013/01/26/the-delusions-that-companies-have-about-the-cloud/#comment-1307770</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[SecureMail]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2013 17:33:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Been doing business since 1995 as a, web host, ISP, mail services provider, VAR etc. Cloud, SaaS, hosted, colo, etc, if it travels the Net to its intended location, it is in the Cloud. 

The Cloud, the newest sexy term for distributed resources local or remote. What gets better attention from say a prospect or even from your banker, SaaS or Cloud? 

Just helped a peer with a business loan application and business plan summary, and initially used SaaS in their application and business plan summary, was turned down. Reworked both using Cloud, got the loan and then some.

No matter the location, local or Cloud, all the same ancillary services are still in play, e.g. continuity, data loss prevention, disaster recovery, compliance and e-discovery liabilities, and so forth.

The Cloud helps reduce the hardware capital costs, although the software services are still in play, depending on the services used and the features available. 

Electronically stored information (ESI) is subject to inspection from law enforcement and governmental agencies, with the proper warrant and subpoena. Fact of life.

As a former webhost/ISP, we had law enforcement requests all the time, most would just walk-in and ask for it, l like it was free for the taking. Sent many out the door, until they produced the proper paperwork.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Been doing business since 1995 as a, web host, ISP, mail services provider, VAR etc. Cloud, SaaS, hosted, colo, etc, if it travels the Net to its intended location, it is in the Cloud. </p>
<p>The Cloud, the newest sexy term for distributed resources local or remote. What gets better attention from say a prospect or even from your banker, SaaS or Cloud? </p>
<p>Just helped a peer with a business loan application and business plan summary, and initially used SaaS in their application and business plan summary, was turned down. Reworked both using Cloud, got the loan and then some.</p>
<p>No matter the location, local or Cloud, all the same ancillary services are still in play, e.g. continuity, data loss prevention, disaster recovery, compliance and e-discovery liabilities, and so forth.</p>
<p>The Cloud helps reduce the hardware capital costs, although the software services are still in play, depending on the services used and the features available. </p>
<p>Electronically stored information (ESI) is subject to inspection from law enforcement and governmental agencies, with the proper warrant and subpoena. Fact of life.</p>
<p>As a former webhost/ISP, we had law enforcement requests all the time, most would just walk-in and ask for it, l like it was free for the taking. Sent many out the door, until they produced the proper paperwork.</p>
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		<title>By: nexusxyz</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2013/01/26/the-delusions-that-companies-have-about-the-cloud/#comment-1307242</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[nexusxyz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2013 01:44:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This person is a tad delusional. What many CIO&#039;s want are &#039;cloud&#039; type characteristics within their organisation so they can switch on an off services to multiple devices allocated to a user (on demand information services that can be recharged to BU&#039;s based on user profiles). This &#039;private&#039; approach would not exclude external public cloud services. The limitation to this is not the Internet but the geriatric business software on offer usually rebranded (pig with lots and lots of lipstick) and neanderthal licencing models that the big players to cling to in the business app world. New services based on pure Internet architectures are emerging and changing the game). 

All that Google, Amazon, MS, etc, have done is rebadge an old concept and introduce a whole new range of single points of failure across the ultimate cloud - the Internet. If I put an application in one Telco data centre and then in another so they are &#039;hot synced&#039; then if one Telco goes down I am still there. If both go down then we are ALL down.

I agree with many of the other comments. Privacy is a BIG concern and the additional threat to data in US data centres from the Patriot Act is not an idle one. These companies think they are going to become the world&#039;s &#039;utility&#039; as regards information services.  Given that information increasingly defines an organisation and helps underpin its value you have to ask the question. Would you trust gigs of sensitive commercial data - oil well analysis, contract pricing information, ground breaking research information, etc, to these people? I might take services that have minimal commercial and operational risk - even email has issues given the wide range of documents that get embedded within the system.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This person is a tad delusional. What many CIO&#8217;s want are &#8216;cloud&#8217; type characteristics within their organisation so they can switch on an off services to multiple devices allocated to a user (on demand information services that can be recharged to BU&#8217;s based on user profiles). This &#8216;private&#8217; approach would not exclude external public cloud services. The limitation to this is not the Internet but the geriatric business software on offer usually rebranded (pig with lots and lots of lipstick) and neanderthal licencing models that the big players to cling to in the business app world. New services based on pure Internet architectures are emerging and changing the game). </p>
<p>All that Google, Amazon, MS, etc, have done is rebadge an old concept and introduce a whole new range of single points of failure across the ultimate cloud &#8211; the Internet. If I put an application in one Telco data centre and then in another so they are &#8216;hot synced&#8217; then if one Telco goes down I am still there. If both go down then we are ALL down.</p>
<p>I agree with many of the other comments. Privacy is a BIG concern and the additional threat to data in US data centres from the Patriot Act is not an idle one. These companies think they are going to become the world&#8217;s &#8216;utility&#8217; as regards information services.  Given that information increasingly defines an organisation and helps underpin its value you have to ask the question. Would you trust gigs of sensitive commercial data &#8211; oil well analysis, contract pricing information, ground breaking research information, etc, to these people? I might take services that have minimal commercial and operational risk &#8211; even email has issues given the wide range of documents that get embedded within the system.</p>
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		<title>By: RichA</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2013/01/26/the-delusions-that-companies-have-about-the-cloud/#comment-1306775</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[RichA]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2013 19:45:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think the notion that a small company can economically obtain anonymous cloud services is fine.  But when a company becomes large, they inevitably dig into their supply chain and seek cost reductions.   Google themselves do this.  Look at their server buying.  It has been widely reported Google no longer buys volume &quot;anonymous&quot; off the shelf servers.  Now their servers are design-to-spec from specific contracted suppliers with many requirements different from say an HP server off the website.  

When Mr. Girouard&#039;s company becomes large enough, you also will become more demanding on your suppliers and won&#039;t accept anonymouity.  In the name of cost reduction.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the notion that a small company can economically obtain anonymous cloud services is fine.  But when a company becomes large, they inevitably dig into their supply chain and seek cost reductions.   Google themselves do this.  Look at their server buying.  It has been widely reported Google no longer buys volume &#8220;anonymous&#8221; off the shelf servers.  Now their servers are design-to-spec from specific contracted suppliers with many requirements different from say an HP server off the website.  </p>
<p>When Mr. Girouard&#8217;s company becomes large enough, you also will become more demanding on your suppliers and won&#8217;t accept anonymouity.  In the name of cost reduction.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2013/01/26/the-delusions-that-companies-have-about-the-cloud/#comment-1305701</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2013 22:02:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dave 

I think this would be a better article had you addressed the cost of the cloud vs more traditional approach.   For somone who does not need elasticity, but who has predictable computing and storage needs the cloud is typically far more expensive.   

You talked about 3 insanities all three of which were red herrings in my book.  The one important insanity you did not talk about was the comparatively high cost of the cloud when elasticity is not needed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave </p>
<p>I think this would be a better article had you addressed the cost of the cloud vs more traditional approach.   For somone who does not need elasticity, but who has predictable computing and storage needs the cloud is typically far more expensive.   </p>
<p>You talked about 3 insanities all three of which were red herrings in my book.  The one important insanity you did not talk about was the comparatively high cost of the cloud when elasticity is not needed.</p>
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