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	<title>Comments on: Exclusive: Desire2Learn buys Bill Gates-backed &#8216;virtual guidance counselor&#8217; Degree Compass</title>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eric]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2013 16:39:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think one part of higher education is that students should take responsibility for their education.  In K-12, students have some choices (advanced classes or regular classes for instance and electives) but their options are rather limited.  In higher ed, the more involved students are with their education the more value it will have to them.  If they are unsure what a particular course teaches, they should research it and see if they are interested in taking the course.  Good students take courses in which they are interested and/or figure out how to be interested in the course/material they need to learn for the degree they have chosen.  Universities which use the Degree Compass system should put an asterisk by the program.  It should not be used as a substitute to talking to a department advisor and/or the instructors of the courses.  Those people have a wealth of knowledge about how a course could help students in their future and not just to complete a degree.

The quote about students taking 20 percent more classes then they are required to take to completed their degrees is a rather weak supporting detail for the use of Degree Compass.  Believe it or not many students take more classes on purpose for various reasons such as exploring opportunities and career paths or just for fun.  College is suppose to have an element of exploration and fun.  Some of these explorations end up in the student declaring a minor, a second degree, or strengthening a resume/portfolio.  Not all students are in college to go from point A to point B via the shortest and cheapest path.  Many if not most see the value in the experiences the college period in their life can offer.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think one part of higher education is that students should take responsibility for their education.  In K-12, students have some choices (advanced classes or regular classes for instance and electives) but their options are rather limited.  In higher ed, the more involved students are with their education the more value it will have to them.  If they are unsure what a particular course teaches, they should research it and see if they are interested in taking the course.  Good students take courses in which they are interested and/or figure out how to be interested in the course/material they need to learn for the degree they have chosen.  Universities which use the Degree Compass system should put an asterisk by the program.  It should not be used as a substitute to talking to a department advisor and/or the instructors of the courses.  Those people have a wealth of knowledge about how a course could help students in their future and not just to complete a degree.</p>
<p>The quote about students taking 20 percent more classes then they are required to take to completed their degrees is a rather weak supporting detail for the use of Degree Compass.  Believe it or not many students take more classes on purpose for various reasons such as exploring opportunities and career paths or just for fun.  College is suppose to have an element of exploration and fun.  Some of these explorations end up in the student declaring a minor, a second degree, or strengthening a resume/portfolio.  Not all students are in college to go from point A to point B via the shortest and cheapest path.  Many if not most see the value in the experiences the college period in their life can offer.</p>
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		<title>By: Julie Owen</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Julie Owen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2013 23:15:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think this relates nicely to your &quot;reply blog&quot; post last November to Joshua Kim.  While the post wasn&#039;t necessarily negative, it was neutral and issued a challenge.  One that I believe you addressed frankly, graciously, and honestly in your response post (Nov. 15, 2012). Acquiring Degree Compass will help you continue to grow and set yourself apart from other LMS providers such as...ah hem...well you know.  As an educational technology company, we agree that using student analytics is a crucial piece of the overall retention puzzle.  However, I do hope that schools won&#039;t rely solely on a new &quot;math&quot; to determine a student&#039;s fate.  I&#039;d like to think this is yet another tool in the holistic approach to ensuring student placement, engagement, and overall success.  Best of luck!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this relates nicely to your &#8220;reply blog&#8221; post last November to Joshua Kim.  While the post wasn&#8217;t necessarily negative, it was neutral and issued a challenge.  One that I believe you addressed frankly, graciously, and honestly in your response post (Nov. 15, 2012). Acquiring Degree Compass will help you continue to grow and set yourself apart from other LMS providers such as&#8230;ah hem&#8230;well you know.  As an educational technology company, we agree that using student analytics is a crucial piece of the overall retention puzzle.  However, I do hope that schools won&#8217;t rely solely on a new &#8220;math&#8221; to determine a student&#8217;s fate.  I&#8217;d like to think this is yet another tool in the holistic approach to ensuring student placement, engagement, and overall success.  Best of luck!</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Jacobelli</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul Jacobelli]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2013 17:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dave M... you hit the proverbial nail right on its head...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave M&#8230; you hit the proverbial nail right on its head&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Dave M</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dave M]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2013 15:20:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Interesting, and no doubt useful, but the idea that success in higher education can be predicted mathematically sounds like it is based on all sorts of assumptions that deserve scrutiny.

First, with respect to instruction, courses are taught differently by different instructors: they may assign different readings, structure assignment differently, have greater or lesser emphasis on certain assignments, focus on different concepts, etc. How could you possibly integrate those predictive insights, on an ongoing basis &quot;mathematically&quot; without prior knowledge of how incoming instructors will teach a course? This is particular pertinent in an age of higher eduction in which the majority of courses are taught by itinerant graduate student and non-permanent contract faculty.

Second, the idea that success might be increased by picking the right courses algorithmically places far too little emphasis on the greatest predictor of success, which is obviously going to be the student&#039;s commitment to learning. The costs of tuition, the need to work part-time (or even full-time as an increasing number of &quot;full-time&quot; students do today), and access to support resources are all strong socio-economic factors in student success.

Third, gathering metrics based on grades and transcripts just means you perpetuate the insidiousness of credentialism - just getting a degree for the piece of paper without due concern for the skills the student is meant to acquire. Anyone who has successfully completed a degree knows that you don&#039;t necessarily learn the most in the courses you receive the highest grades in. Sometimes it&#039;s the tough instructors who teach you the most, even though you don&#039;t earn the highest grades in their courses. It doesn&#039;t take a genius to figure out that more &#039;bird courses&#039; and greater access to them will result in a higher &quot;success rate&quot; if your only measures of success are graduation and grades. It doesn&#039;t ensure better learning, and isn&#039;t that what *higher learning* is all about?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting, and no doubt useful, but the idea that success in higher education can be predicted mathematically sounds like it is based on all sorts of assumptions that deserve scrutiny.</p>
<p>First, with respect to instruction, courses are taught differently by different instructors: they may assign different readings, structure assignment differently, have greater or lesser emphasis on certain assignments, focus on different concepts, etc. How could you possibly integrate those predictive insights, on an ongoing basis &#8220;mathematically&#8221; without prior knowledge of how incoming instructors will teach a course? This is particular pertinent in an age of higher eduction in which the majority of courses are taught by itinerant graduate student and non-permanent contract faculty.</p>
<p>Second, the idea that success might be increased by picking the right courses algorithmically places far too little emphasis on the greatest predictor of success, which is obviously going to be the student&#8217;s commitment to learning. The costs of tuition, the need to work part-time (or even full-time as an increasing number of &#8220;full-time&#8221; students do today), and access to support resources are all strong socio-economic factors in student success.</p>
<p>Third, gathering metrics based on grades and transcripts just means you perpetuate the insidiousness of credentialism &#8211; just getting a degree for the piece of paper without due concern for the skills the student is meant to acquire. Anyone who has successfully completed a degree knows that you don&#8217;t necessarily learn the most in the courses you receive the highest grades in. Sometimes it&#8217;s the tough instructors who teach you the most, even though you don&#8217;t earn the highest grades in their courses. It doesn&#8217;t take a genius to figure out that more &#8216;bird courses&#8217; and greater access to them will result in a higher &#8220;success rate&#8221; if your only measures of success are graduation and grades. It doesn&#8217;t ensure better learning, and isn&#8217;t that what *higher learning* is all about?</p>
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