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		<title>By: Philip Rodriguez</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2013/01/15/sorry-windows-rt-windows-8-on-an-atom-has-your-number/#comment-1317094</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Philip Rodriguez]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Mar 2013 18:17:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[this is EXACTLY my view. Atom surface and i5 surface should have been the lineup.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this is EXACTLY my view. Atom surface and i5 surface should have been the lineup.</p>
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		<title>By: Draegos</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Draegos]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2013 23:49:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I hadn&#039;t considered this angle, actually, but you&#039;re absolutely right.  Atom tablets are going to have fans and lots of noise and be much more sensitive to overheating.  On that score the Surface RT really does rule the roost: it&#039;s an authentic Windows experience and an authentic tablet experience in one.

Personally I&#039;ll still go with the Atom when it finally comes time to retire my old 1st-gen iPad.  But I&#039;d never considered this angle before, and I can see the appeal.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hadn&#8217;t considered this angle, actually, but you&#8217;re absolutely right.  Atom tablets are going to have fans and lots of noise and be much more sensitive to overheating.  On that score the Surface RT really does rule the roost: it&#8217;s an authentic Windows experience and an authentic tablet experience in one.</p>
<p>Personally I&#8217;ll still go with the Atom when it finally comes time to retire my old 1st-gen iPad.  But I&#8217;d never considered this angle before, and I can see the appeal.</p>
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		<title>By: Draegos</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Draegos]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2013 23:03:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, criticizing the Atom CPU for poor performance running Photoshop or Visual Studio doesn&#039;t really work here, even if it were true: windows RT is 100% unable to run either application at all.  Some support, I expect most people would agree, is better than zero support.

Beyond that, an Atom tablet obviously isn&#039;t meant to run heavy-duty development software any more than the Surface RT is.  That&#039;s the point: these are two different hardware solutions meant to deliver the same basic experience, at the same basic price-point.

Only one clearly delivers a better experience than the other.

You could buy an Atom tablet and only use the Windows Store apps, and have an experience IDENTICAL to the Surface RT.  Except, additionally, you&#039;d also be able to run x86 applications too, so if you want a better choice of browsers or email clients, you can just install your favorite.  Seems like a no-brainer.  For the same money, an Atom tablet&#039;s going to be the way to go.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, criticizing the Atom CPU for poor performance running Photoshop or Visual Studio doesn&#8217;t really work here, even if it were true: windows RT is 100% unable to run either application at all.  Some support, I expect most people would agree, is better than zero support.</p>
<p>Beyond that, an Atom tablet obviously isn&#8217;t meant to run heavy-duty development software any more than the Surface RT is.  That&#8217;s the point: these are two different hardware solutions meant to deliver the same basic experience, at the same basic price-point.</p>
<p>Only one clearly delivers a better experience than the other.</p>
<p>You could buy an Atom tablet and only use the Windows Store apps, and have an experience IDENTICAL to the Surface RT.  Except, additionally, you&#8217;d also be able to run x86 applications too, so if you want a better choice of browsers or email clients, you can just install your favorite.  Seems like a no-brainer.  For the same money, an Atom tablet&#8217;s going to be the way to go.</p>
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		<title>By: dvmoo7</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dvmoo7]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2013 19:23:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[AA,  Well Said!!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AA,  Well Said!!!</p>
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		<title>By: The Son of Belushi</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2013/01/15/sorry-windows-rt-windows-8-on-an-atom-has-your-number/#comment-1305214</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Son of Belushi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2013 23:30:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I just bought a 64gb Surface today. It&#039;s pretty nice.

I have a ridiculously powerful desktop machine that runs Windows 7 and Windows 8 (dual booting) and for my computing needs it ticks all the boxes for me. There is nothing it cannot cope with and for getting big stuff done quickly, it&#039;s the only thing I need. I also have a Windows 8 Phone and while I was slightly miffed at the issues with syncing media, it is a great phone and perfect for checking in on every online service I use. It has very solid connectivity.

My Surface will be the device I use when I really don&#039;t need to &quot;do&quot; any computing/gaming/audio/video and just want to listen to tunes, read the news/books, or maybe watch a video, catch up with people on Skype or FB. It&#039;s a consumption device and as far as I can tell so far it does that perfectly well.

It&#039;s interesting that iOS is celebrated for being a closed system and cash cow for Apple, but Microsoft get slammed for it because a desktop Windows OS allows you freedom to install anything. The Surface RT is NOT that device, the Surface Pro will be. 

What do people really &quot;do&quot; with an iPod? They consume media. That&#039;s exactly what i&#039;ll do with my Surface. I don&#039;t care about retina screens or resolutions above 1080HD because, well, it&#039;s a small device and you really won&#039;t be able to tell the difference between 720 and 1080 on it, let alone higher. 

Also, and this is a big thing...I just spent £34 on a 64gb sdxc memory card...so i&#039;ll be looking at 100gb space clear, which is plenty for such a device. This has all come in at under £450. 

Apps! What about Apps!! There are thousands, most of which i&#039;ll never use, which is the same as it was when I had an iPhone 3GS. The main things I will need are present in some form or actually built in to the OS.

These are my &quot;opinions&quot;...I am no more right than any of you are wrong...just thought i&#039;d share.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just bought a 64gb Surface today. It&#8217;s pretty nice.</p>
<p>I have a ridiculously powerful desktop machine that runs Windows 7 and Windows 8 (dual booting) and for my computing needs it ticks all the boxes for me. There is nothing it cannot cope with and for getting big stuff done quickly, it&#8217;s the only thing I need. I also have a Windows 8 Phone and while I was slightly miffed at the issues with syncing media, it is a great phone and perfect for checking in on every online service I use. It has very solid connectivity.</p>
<p>My Surface will be the device I use when I really don&#8217;t need to &#8220;do&#8221; any computing/gaming/audio/video and just want to listen to tunes, read the news/books, or maybe watch a video, catch up with people on Skype or FB. It&#8217;s a consumption device and as far as I can tell so far it does that perfectly well.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s interesting that iOS is celebrated for being a closed system and cash cow for Apple, but Microsoft get slammed for it because a desktop Windows OS allows you freedom to install anything. The Surface RT is NOT that device, the Surface Pro will be. </p>
<p>What do people really &#8220;do&#8221; with an iPod? They consume media. That&#8217;s exactly what i&#8217;ll do with my Surface. I don&#8217;t care about retina screens or resolutions above 1080HD because, well, it&#8217;s a small device and you really won&#8217;t be able to tell the difference between 720 and 1080 on it, let alone higher. </p>
<p>Also, and this is a big thing&#8230;I just spent £34 on a 64gb sdxc memory card&#8230;so i&#8217;ll be looking at 100gb space clear, which is plenty for such a device. This has all come in at under £450. </p>
<p>Apps! What about Apps!! There are thousands, most of which i&#8217;ll never use, which is the same as it was when I had an iPhone 3GS. The main things I will need are present in some form or actually built in to the OS.</p>
<p>These are my &#8220;opinions&#8221;&#8230;I am no more right than any of you are wrong&#8230;just thought i&#8217;d share.</p>
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		<title>By: PeaceFroggerX</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[PeaceFroggerX]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2013 15:52:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Can someone address why the w510 w/ Atom is capped at 65mbps wireless-N? The surfaceRT hits 133+ regularly on two networks here.

Also the w510 Atom power mangement left it in a state requiring &quot;system restore&quot; (not hte metro restore the old-school restore&quot;) after the screen would stay dark grey and not &quot;turn on&quot; without a hard reboot. The w510 doesn&#039;t allow the Metro rollback stuff FWIW. &quot;Media not present&quot; (32gb drive is a culprit)

WindowsRT rocks in regard to avoiding the &quot;30 minutes to update&quot; on an old/slow processor. Put win8 on the older w500 and see what i mean. wIntel8 has too many large updates for causals who might not pickup a tablet for a few days.

Intel makes too many promises and delivers far, far short in regard to speed and battery life... bring on the WindowsRT apps.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can someone address why the w510 w/ Atom is capped at 65mbps wireless-N? The surfaceRT hits 133+ regularly on two networks here.</p>
<p>Also the w510 Atom power mangement left it in a state requiring &#8220;system restore&#8221; (not hte metro restore the old-school restore&#8221;) after the screen would stay dark grey and not &#8220;turn on&#8221; without a hard reboot. The w510 doesn&#8217;t allow the Metro rollback stuff FWIW. &#8220;Media not present&#8221; (32gb drive is a culprit)</p>
<p>WindowsRT rocks in regard to avoiding the &#8220;30 minutes to update&#8221; on an old/slow processor. Put win8 on the older w500 and see what i mean. wIntel8 has too many large updates for causals who might not pickup a tablet for a few days.</p>
<p>Intel makes too many promises and delivers far, far short in regard to speed and battery life&#8230; bring on the WindowsRT apps.</p>
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		<title>By: manishsk</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2013/01/15/sorry-windows-rt-windows-8-on-an-atom-has-your-number/#comment-1300073</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[manishsk]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2013 04:23:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t get the why switching between Modern UI apps and desktop apps is a problem when you use it in desktop/laptop mode. Its almost the same as it is in Win7. The difference is your start menu gone full screen with additional ability of run Modern Apps (think like this if you still feel windows 7 is good :) ) Ofcourse Windows 7 was superb but the Windows 8 gave nice golden mean to connect both the worlds with additional security and improved performance. Anywyas why windows 8 is good itself is different topic. I don&#039;t want to be baised here but I like linux as well (espcially new Unity interface in ubuntu is awesome) but still to be fare with Microsfot it has done quite a good job against (cr)Apple. The point here is why Windows RT and once again microsoft made a smart move, it gives you the best of Windows 8 and office together with even improved battery perfomance and just the new apps which are good enough for any mobile computing needs. Well iOS/Andrid just hold the advantage with number of apps. Microsoft hit everything else. Still I don&#039;t get the idea why people want Atom processor and Windows 8 on it run legacy apps which won&#039;t be secured and will degrade the battery performance. You got to be in both worlds to understand both ;) INHO.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t get the why switching between Modern UI apps and desktop apps is a problem when you use it in desktop/laptop mode. Its almost the same as it is in Win7. The difference is your start menu gone full screen with additional ability of run Modern Apps (think like this if you still feel windows 7 is good :) ) Ofcourse Windows 7 was superb but the Windows 8 gave nice golden mean to connect both the worlds with additional security and improved performance. Anywyas why windows 8 is good itself is different topic. I don&#8217;t want to be baised here but I like linux as well (espcially new Unity interface in ubuntu is awesome) but still to be fare with Microsfot it has done quite a good job against (cr)Apple. The point here is why Windows RT and once again microsoft made a smart move, it gives you the best of Windows 8 and office together with even improved battery perfomance and just the new apps which are good enough for any mobile computing needs. Well iOS/Andrid just hold the advantage with number of apps. Microsoft hit everything else. Still I don&#8217;t get the idea why people want Atom processor and Windows 8 on it run legacy apps which won&#8217;t be secured and will degrade the battery performance. You got to be in both worlds to understand both ;) INHO.</p>
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		<title>By: Danox</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2013/01/15/sorry-windows-rt-windows-8-on-an-atom-has-your-number/#comment-1299945</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Danox]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2013 19:26:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Windows RT is stillborn like the Kin a worthless piece of junk, Microsoft only hope is the Surface with Atom chips, but there is a problem the Atom cpu&#039;s are big fat and slow, in comparison to the Arm mobile army spearheaded by Apple&#039;s custom in house cpu designs combined with iOS.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6324/the-iphone-5-performance-preview]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Windows RT is stillborn like the Kin a worthless piece of junk, Microsoft only hope is the Surface with Atom chips, but there is a problem the Atom cpu&#8217;s are big fat and slow, in comparison to the Arm mobile army spearheaded by Apple&#8217;s custom in house cpu designs combined with iOS.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.anandtech.com/show/6324/the-iphone-5-performance-preview" rel="nofollow">http://www.anandtech.com/show/6324/the-iphone-5-performance-preview</a></p>
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		<title>By: AA</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AA]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2013 15:50:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[cool8man, big f***ing deal on ARM side. Bay Trail will release end of 2013 or early 2014, and it&#039;ll go toe-to-toe with the Cortex A15 solutions releasing this year. Cortex A15 have power consumption issues as well, did you know that? And Bay Trail will be an architecture redesign and a die shrink to 22nm, vs 28nm of Cortex A15 solutions, with Intel&#039;s in house GPU (i.e. no longer reliant on PowerVR crap). Plus, Bay Trail&#039;s atom successor will be released on 14nm with another architecture redesign, and the ARM collective have no roadmap after 28nm, they&#039;re at a severe technological disadvantage.

Intel may play catch up for the next 2 years or so, but it will win out eventually. Intel is going tick AND tock in one year, and coupled with their tech edge, will obliterate ARM by 2015-2016.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>cool8man, big f***ing deal on ARM side. Bay Trail will release end of 2013 or early 2014, and it&#8217;ll go toe-to-toe with the Cortex A15 solutions releasing this year. Cortex A15 have power consumption issues as well, did you know that? And Bay Trail will be an architecture redesign and a die shrink to 22nm, vs 28nm of Cortex A15 solutions, with Intel&#8217;s in house GPU (i.e. no longer reliant on PowerVR crap). Plus, Bay Trail&#8217;s atom successor will be released on 14nm with another architecture redesign, and the ARM collective have no roadmap after 28nm, they&#8217;re at a severe technological disadvantage.</p>
<p>Intel may play catch up for the next 2 years or so, but it will win out eventually. Intel is going tick AND tock in one year, and coupled with their tech edge, will obliterate ARM by 2015-2016.</p>
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		<title>By: acturbo</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[acturbo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2013 14:44:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t think people are missing the point that Win8 (with metro) and RT is for mobile/tablets. In fact, quite the opposite ... the vast majority of comments are asking why the heck did MS put a mobile/tablet UI on the desktop? If you read the dozens of articles and hundreds (and hundreds) of comments, the Metro UI is the core issue. It becomes obvious from reading all the comments that the Live Tiles are getting a very bad rap on the desktop. On the flip side, I have not read any posts that are saying RT or Metro tiles sucks on the tablet. So, the issue is, tiles are causing grief for people on the desktop. Take this one step further, when you actually run a tile app (i.e. a Metro app, aka RT app), it runs FULL SCREEN. Now, if you have a 22&quot; monitor, as a lot of information workers, designers, developers, power users etc. do, running an RT app (which is what MS is pushing that we all do) and seeing 90% of your 22&quot; monitor real estate WASTED by a fullscreen app (that you no longer have any control over) combined with not being able to see multiple windows simultaneously will make you very angry. Pundits say, &quot;switch to the desktop mode dummy&quot; .... which goes back to point #1 ... why is did MS make a tablet/mobile UI the DEFAULT UI on the desktop. Last comment, when you actually use Windows 8 in a real life situation for a few weeks (as i did), the experience of switching between RT tiles and classic desktop is enough to make you puke. And note, i think the tiles look cool ... it&#039;s the reason why i decided to try in Win8. I ended up reformatting my drive and putting Win7 back on. And btw, i&#039;m a former MS employee (Sr. Product Manager), so yeah, i&#039;m not happy about the various UI decisions made.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think people are missing the point that Win8 (with metro) and RT is for mobile/tablets. In fact, quite the opposite &#8230; the vast majority of comments are asking why the heck did MS put a mobile/tablet UI on the desktop? If you read the dozens of articles and hundreds (and hundreds) of comments, the Metro UI is the core issue. It becomes obvious from reading all the comments that the Live Tiles are getting a very bad rap on the desktop. On the flip side, I have not read any posts that are saying RT or Metro tiles sucks on the tablet. So, the issue is, tiles are causing grief for people on the desktop. Take this one step further, when you actually run a tile app (i.e. a Metro app, aka RT app), it runs FULL SCREEN. Now, if you have a 22&#8243; monitor, as a lot of information workers, designers, developers, power users etc. do, running an RT app (which is what MS is pushing that we all do) and seeing 90% of your 22&#8243; monitor real estate WASTED by a fullscreen app (that you no longer have any control over) combined with not being able to see multiple windows simultaneously will make you very angry. Pundits say, &#8220;switch to the desktop mode dummy&#8221; &#8230;. which goes back to point #1 &#8230; why is did MS make a tablet/mobile UI the DEFAULT UI on the desktop. Last comment, when you actually use Windows 8 in a real life situation for a few weeks (as i did), the experience of switching between RT tiles and classic desktop is enough to make you puke. And note, i think the tiles look cool &#8230; it&#8217;s the reason why i decided to try in Win8. I ended up reformatting my drive and putting Win7 back on. And btw, i&#8217;m a former MS employee (Sr. Product Manager), so yeah, i&#8217;m not happy about the various UI decisions made.</p>
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