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	<title>Comments on: Newspapers and guns: If data is available, should it always be published?</title>
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		<title>By: Jake</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2012/12/27/newspapers-and-guns-if-data-is-available-should-it-always-be-published/#comment-1294900</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jake]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2013 20:55:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The New York Times has been around since 1851, Fox News since 1996.  I think if you compare the history of news reporting from each source, you&#039;ll find Fox News to be more biased, and less reputable.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The New York Times has been around since 1851, Fox News since 1996.  I think if you compare the history of news reporting from each source, you&#8217;ll find Fox News to be more biased, and less reputable.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Neiderbach</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jonathan Neiderbach]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Dec 2012 09:30:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You really think that distributing public information is (or should be) a criminal offense? If you don&#039;t think gun permits should be public information complain to your state legislator, not to those who access the public information.  Information is made public for a reason, and that is to make it available to the public!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You really think that distributing public information is (or should be) a criminal offense? If you don&#8217;t think gun permits should be public information complain to your state legislator, not to those who access the public information.  Information is made public for a reason, and that is to make it available to the public!</p>
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		<title>By: Chrisfs</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chrisfs]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Dec 2012 07:19:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ollie, you have a bunch of errors in your post. 
The information was public long before the newspaper covered it. If a criminal wanted to use it, then they would have already been using it for the few years... The newspaper article wouldn&#039;t have changed that.  A criminal who plans his crimes out to that detail would also likely wait until no one is home, so what you are saying is basically a scare tactic.  

At Columbine, there were police on campus (the school had resource officers who were based on campus), and they couldn&#039;t help a bit. 
The shooter in Conn, stolen the guns...from his mother whom he lived with. Her gun didn&#039;t protect her, it killed her and over 20 kids. 
If it had been a less lethal weapon, it&#039;s likely the guy would have killed less kids. On the same day, some guy went into a school in China and stabbed about 20 kids with a knife, none died. 

The gun death rate in US is at least 4 times as high as any country in Western Europe. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate

And there is plenty of solid research that shows more guns =more crime. 
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/research/hicrc/firearms-research/guns-and-death/index.html

And even in those ghetto areas that to seem to have written off, there&#039;s plenty of innocent people that get shot.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ollie, you have a bunch of errors in your post.<br />
The information was public long before the newspaper covered it. If a criminal wanted to use it, then they would have already been using it for the few years&#8230; The newspaper article wouldn&#8217;t have changed that.  A criminal who plans his crimes out to that detail would also likely wait until no one is home, so what you are saying is basically a scare tactic.  </p>
<p>At Columbine, there were police on campus (the school had resource officers who were based on campus), and they couldn&#8217;t help a bit.<br />
The shooter in Conn, stolen the guns&#8230;from his mother whom he lived with. Her gun didn&#8217;t protect her, it killed her and over 20 kids.<br />
If it had been a less lethal weapon, it&#8217;s likely the guy would have killed less kids. On the same day, some guy went into a school in China and stabbed about 20 kids with a knife, none died. </p>
<p>The gun death rate in US is at least 4 times as high as any country in Western Europe. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate</a></p>
<p>And there is plenty of solid research that shows more guns =more crime.<br />
<a href="http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/research/hicrc/firearms-research/guns-and-death/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/research/hicrc/firearms-research/guns-and-death/index.html</a></p>
<p>And even in those ghetto areas that to seem to have written off, there&#8217;s plenty of innocent people that get shot.</p>
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		<title>By: Allan</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2012/12/27/newspapers-and-guns-if-data-is-available-should-it-always-be-published/#comment-1288514</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Allan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Dec 2012 01:30:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Same behavior as when Gawker posted posted detailed information on teens making racists tweets during the election. Notice this is usually a left-wing tactic.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Same behavior as when Gawker posted posted detailed information on teens making racists tweets during the election. Notice this is usually a left-wing tactic.</p>
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		<title>By: dan tynan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dan tynan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Dec 2012 16:11:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A few thoughts:

There was real journalistic value in the map. When I saw it my first reaction was &#039;my god they&#039;ve got a lot of guns in that part of new york.&#039; but there was little value in publishing the names and addresses along with each dot on the map, even if that info was available elsewhere. that should have been redacted.

the arguments about this map facilitating burglary are pretty stupid. if you&#039;re a burglar, your three biggest concerns are a) is there valuable stuff in there, b) are the owners home, and c) do they have a dog? they&#039;d do better consulting zillow, assuming petty criminals use the internet to research their crimes, which I doubt.

the argument that publishing the names of women who&#039;ve had abortions is even more ludicrous. when is the last time somebody used their abortion to hurt you? there are good reasons for making a public database for registered gun owners, and they should apply equally to all types of guns. 

finally, the blogger who retaliated against the paper by publishing their personal information -- not public, not mandated by law -- is an asshat. but that&#039;s pretty obvious already.

thanks for the thought provoking post.

dt]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A few thoughts:</p>
<p>There was real journalistic value in the map. When I saw it my first reaction was &#8216;my god they&#8217;ve got a lot of guns in that part of new york.&#8217; but there was little value in publishing the names and addresses along with each dot on the map, even if that info was available elsewhere. that should have been redacted.</p>
<p>the arguments about this map facilitating burglary are pretty stupid. if you&#8217;re a burglar, your three biggest concerns are a) is there valuable stuff in there, b) are the owners home, and c) do they have a dog? they&#8217;d do better consulting zillow, assuming petty criminals use the internet to research their crimes, which I doubt.</p>
<p>the argument that publishing the names of women who&#8217;ve had abortions is even more ludicrous. when is the last time somebody used their abortion to hurt you? there are good reasons for making a public database for registered gun owners, and they should apply equally to all types of guns. </p>
<p>finally, the blogger who retaliated against the paper by publishing their personal information &#8212; not public, not mandated by law &#8212; is an asshat. but that&#8217;s pretty obvious already.</p>
<p>thanks for the thought provoking post.</p>
<p>dt</p>
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		<title>By: Working Man</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Working Man]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Dec 2012 08:07:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks Journal News, now I know how to best plan my burglary routes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Journal News, now I know how to best plan my burglary routes.</p>
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		<title>By: Rory O'Connor</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rory O'Connor]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Dec 2012 20:58:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If you don&#039;t want to read it in the newspaper, don&#039;t say it or do it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you don&#8217;t want to read it in the newspaper, don&#8217;t say it or do it.</p>
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		<title>By: Ollie</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ollie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Dec 2012 20:23:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So, the Journal which publishes the anti-gun activist agenda, should be held accountable for non-journalist activity, i.e., propaganda.  They have in many ways just made the entire community also more vulnerable to crime.  

It does not require a journalist nor journalism to publish propaganda such as a pre-defined agenda, or talking points, or a press release from a politically motivated activist organization.  I can do this without being a journalist, I can cut and paste such ideas and text onto the web or onto paper and send it out.  That does not make me a journalist.  Also, when considered from the viewpoint of an activist pushing their own agenda, but using media, it is still propaganda and not journalism.

I believe the newspaper can be easily sued now for any attacks, or other crime, etc. that happen to anyone in the area of the map, whether gun owner, or not.  They have revealed who can defend themselves to criminals, and worse yet, who cannot.  The Journal has laid itself open to any sort of legal recourse victims will take.  I would think someone at the management level would consider that a very costly liability.

Since the activist mentality of the non-journalists at this newspaper do not consider the consequences of their actions, they will be able to be and ought to be held liable.  The ones who are going to be hurt the most will be the poor, old, young, and those with some kind of infirmity.  So, the activist has just attacked those he most likely thinks he is protecting.  He has damaged his community in ways he cannot understand.

So, is the idea to destroy the public safety of the community to advance a political agenda?  That is what the end result would seem to be.  This is not journalism.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, the Journal which publishes the anti-gun activist agenda, should be held accountable for non-journalist activity, i.e., propaganda.  They have in many ways just made the entire community also more vulnerable to crime.  </p>
<p>It does not require a journalist nor journalism to publish propaganda such as a pre-defined agenda, or talking points, or a press release from a politically motivated activist organization.  I can do this without being a journalist, I can cut and paste such ideas and text onto the web or onto paper and send it out.  That does not make me a journalist.  Also, when considered from the viewpoint of an activist pushing their own agenda, but using media, it is still propaganda and not journalism.</p>
<p>I believe the newspaper can be easily sued now for any attacks, or other crime, etc. that happen to anyone in the area of the map, whether gun owner, or not.  They have revealed who can defend themselves to criminals, and worse yet, who cannot.  The Journal has laid itself open to any sort of legal recourse victims will take.  I would think someone at the management level would consider that a very costly liability.</p>
<p>Since the activist mentality of the non-journalists at this newspaper do not consider the consequences of their actions, they will be able to be and ought to be held liable.  The ones who are going to be hurt the most will be the poor, old, young, and those with some kind of infirmity.  So, the activist has just attacked those he most likely thinks he is protecting.  He has damaged his community in ways he cannot understand.</p>
<p>So, is the idea to destroy the public safety of the community to advance a political agenda?  That is what the end result would seem to be.  This is not journalism.</p>
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		<title>By: dd</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dd]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Dec 2012 20:08:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well if a gun is robbed from one of these homes and the gun is used in a murder, the journalist, the editor, and the CEO of the paper should be charged with conspiracy in a murder and jailed for 20 years. Likewise, tort law would be available to the family of the victim to sue the journalist, the editor, and the paper for 10s of millions!  Maybe the people should publish the addresses of all journalists so that the people can identify where the unethical people live and do what they want.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well if a gun is robbed from one of these homes and the gun is used in a murder, the journalist, the editor, and the CEO of the paper should be charged with conspiracy in a murder and jailed for 20 years. Likewise, tort law would be available to the family of the victim to sue the journalist, the editor, and the paper for 10s of millions!  Maybe the people should publish the addresses of all journalists so that the people can identify where the unethical people live and do what they want.</p>
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		<title>By: Ollie</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ollie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Dec 2012 19:21:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For all of those of you who are anti-gun, or fear guns, or don&#039;t own one.  If you live in the area on the map shown above, the criminals now know where you live.  Since they have no fear of you (you have no way to self defend) they will now know who to attack.  Is this a good thing?  Then maybe you don&#039;t mind being a victim of murder, rape, and assault, burglary, etc. in your own home.  Criminals will most likely go to your house before a gun owners house - it is much safer for them - they know they will not be stopped by you.  Remember, your call to the police, should you still be able to do so, will only be 20 minutes too late. That was the time it took for the police to show up at the school in the shooting scenario, after they were called.  Also, the shooter had already committed suicide before the police arrived.  No one to stop him...   In addition, he did not legally buy the guns or get a permit - he stole them.  So, if we take away guns from law abiding people, then only criminals will have them.  How ridiculous is that?  Go see the rising gun crime and overall crime statistics for countries such as Britain which have banned all guns.  The gun death statistics for the US are the same as most countries in Europe (except those that have banned guns).  Why?  If you do not consider the ghetto areas of the US where illegal guns are used by illegal drug dealers to kill gang members over drug dealing (where gun crime is nearly 10 times that rate outside such areas) the rest of the country has a very low gun death rate.  Look up the FBI statistics to confirm this for yourself.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For all of those of you who are anti-gun, or fear guns, or don&#8217;t own one.  If you live in the area on the map shown above, the criminals now know where you live.  Since they have no fear of you (you have no way to self defend) they will now know who to attack.  Is this a good thing?  Then maybe you don&#8217;t mind being a victim of murder, rape, and assault, burglary, etc. in your own home.  Criminals will most likely go to your house before a gun owners house &#8211; it is much safer for them &#8211; they know they will not be stopped by you.  Remember, your call to the police, should you still be able to do so, will only be 20 minutes too late. That was the time it took for the police to show up at the school in the shooting scenario, after they were called.  Also, the shooter had already committed suicide before the police arrived.  No one to stop him&#8230;   In addition, he did not legally buy the guns or get a permit &#8211; he stole them.  So, if we take away guns from law abiding people, then only criminals will have them.  How ridiculous is that?  Go see the rising gun crime and overall crime statistics for countries such as Britain which have banned all guns.  The gun death statistics for the US are the same as most countries in Europe (except those that have banned guns).  Why?  If you do not consider the ghetto areas of the US where illegal guns are used by illegal drug dealers to kill gang members over drug dealing (where gun crime is nearly 10 times that rate outside such areas) the rest of the country has a very low gun death rate.  Look up the FBI statistics to confirm this for yourself.</p>
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