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		<title>By: Ray Saintonge</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2012/12/19/what-wikipedia-can-tell-us-about-the-future-of-news/#comment-1279550</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ray Saintonge]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Dec 2012 20:48:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To address the final question in the article, the difference is in the proprietary nature of traditional news reporting. Getting the scoop on a story once made a newspaper more competitive, but we no longer need to depend on a single source for news. If one news source does not adequately cover a subject or hides behind a pay wall we can easily look elsewhere for information. A person sufficiently interested in the Sandy Hook shootings may reach out to Newtown&#039;s local newspaper, but will have no need to do so for any unconnected future story. 

Crowdsourced articles are impossible to monetize. A person who has contributed to a story is rightfully indignant when some individual or corporation claims copyright over what he freely gave. At the same time identifying his contribution to properly give due credit could be more trouble than it&#039;s worth. An article that pays $100 to a single contributor would give 10 cent to each of 1,000 contributors. The media need to learn about co-operation. Results will vary from one medium to another over the same story, but that&#039;s OK too. The critical thinker will sort it out in his own way, as in Akutagawa&#039;s &quot;In the Grove&quot;.

It&#039;s inevitable that a news story will be chaotic in the hours immediately following its big bang. Some ridiculous pieces of speculation could arise in those first few hours. CNN tried to connect the Sandy Hook shooting with one in Hoboken, NJ, but in time that just quietly dropped from the table.as if it had never happened. It becomes so easy to pretend that this statement was never made; it exists only in the minds of those who happened to be watching CNN at that moment. Nor would it surprise me if someone drew a connection between Sandy Hook and Sandy the Hurricane.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To address the final question in the article, the difference is in the proprietary nature of traditional news reporting. Getting the scoop on a story once made a newspaper more competitive, but we no longer need to depend on a single source for news. If one news source does not adequately cover a subject or hides behind a pay wall we can easily look elsewhere for information. A person sufficiently interested in the Sandy Hook shootings may reach out to Newtown&#8217;s local newspaper, but will have no need to do so for any unconnected future story. </p>
<p>Crowdsourced articles are impossible to monetize. A person who has contributed to a story is rightfully indignant when some individual or corporation claims copyright over what he freely gave. At the same time identifying his contribution to properly give due credit could be more trouble than it&#8217;s worth. An article that pays $100 to a single contributor would give 10 cent to each of 1,000 contributors. The media need to learn about co-operation. Results will vary from one medium to another over the same story, but that&#8217;s OK too. The critical thinker will sort it out in his own way, as in Akutagawa&#8217;s &#8220;In the Grove&#8221;.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s inevitable that a news story will be chaotic in the hours immediately following its big bang. Some ridiculous pieces of speculation could arise in those first few hours. CNN tried to connect the Sandy Hook shooting with one in Hoboken, NJ, but in time that just quietly dropped from the table.as if it had never happened. It becomes so easy to pretend that this statement was never made; it exists only in the minds of those who happened to be watching CNN at that moment. Nor would it surprise me if someone drew a connection between Sandy Hook and Sandy the Hurricane.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray Saintonge</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2012/12/19/what-wikipedia-can-tell-us-about-the-future-of-news/#comment-1279419</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ray Saintonge]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Dec 2012 19:36:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What you say is all too common in many articles, but it is less likely in the class of articles described here.  When the shootings have such a high profile lack of notability is not available as an excuse for deletion. (This might not be he case of someone were trying to report on a similar event from a century ago.)  The presence of a high number of editors make it more difficult for any one of them to hijack the article to serve his own agenda. An article about these shootings may be shocking, but it is not factually controversial. If someone wants to turn it into a long polemic about gun control that can easily be diverted to an article specialized in that problem.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What you say is all too common in many articles, but it is less likely in the class of articles described here.  When the shootings have such a high profile lack of notability is not available as an excuse for deletion. (This might not be he case of someone were trying to report on a similar event from a century ago.)  The presence of a high number of editors make it more difficult for any one of them to hijack the article to serve his own agenda. An article about these shootings may be shocking, but it is not factually controversial. If someone wants to turn it into a long polemic about gun control that can easily be diverted to an article specialized in that problem.</p>
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		<title>By: xyzzymagicat</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2012/12/19/what-wikipedia-can-tell-us-about-the-future-of-news/#comment-1271837</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[xyzzymagicat]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2012 09:53:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I wish I could still disagree with you, but in the past half-year or so, I&#039;ve finally run across evidence on several talk-page arguments that trashed my faith in Wikipedia.   Experienced editors calling in specific buddies to back them against users that knew far more on a topic, quoting parts of rules that backed them while ignoring parts that contradicted them (ignoring anyone that pointed it out), removing articles they knew little about under a variety of situations where the rules say we should help, rejecting references in one article that had been accepted as part of a &quot;good&quot; article...sigh.

I&#039;ve seen people state  that the issues (particularly deletions) are part of Wikipedia &quot;politics&quot; and deleting somehow benefits an editor, but I can&#039;t begin to fathom how. All I know is that I no longer trust Wikipedia any more than I do any generic wiki, and have no interest in editing or contributing to it anymore.  Hopefully something else less easily corrupted will take its place.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish I could still disagree with you, but in the past half-year or so, I&#8217;ve finally run across evidence on several talk-page arguments that trashed my faith in Wikipedia.   Experienced editors calling in specific buddies to back them against users that knew far more on a topic, quoting parts of rules that backed them while ignoring parts that contradicted them (ignoring anyone that pointed it out), removing articles they knew little about under a variety of situations where the rules say we should help, rejecting references in one article that had been accepted as part of a &#8220;good&#8221; article&#8230;sigh.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve seen people state  that the issues (particularly deletions) are part of Wikipedia &#8220;politics&#8221; and deleting somehow benefits an editor, but I can&#8217;t begin to fathom how. All I know is that I no longer trust Wikipedia any more than I do any generic wiki, and have no interest in editing or contributing to it anymore.  Hopefully something else less easily corrupted will take its place.</p>
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		<title>By: Jared Parmenter</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2012/12/19/what-wikipedia-can-tell-us-about-the-future-of-news/#comment-1270383</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jared Parmenter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2012 17:45:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was wondering the same.  From the author:

&quot;3,262 unique users edited one or more of these seven articles, 222 edited two or more of these articles, 60 had edited 3 or more, and a single user WWGB had edited all seven within the first 48 hours of their creation. These editors are at the center of Figure 7 where they connect to many of the articles on the periphery. The stars surrounding each of the articles are the editors who contributed to that article and that article alone (in this corpus). WWGB is an editor who appears to specialize not only in editing articles about current events, but participating in a community of editors engaged in the newswork on Wikipedia. These editors are not the first to respond (as above), but their work involves documenting administrative pages enumerating current events and mediating discussions across disparate current events articles. The ability for these collaborations to unfold as smoothly as they do appears to rest on the ability for Wikipedia editors with newswork experience to either supplant or compliment the work done by amateurs who first arrive on the page.&quot;

http://www.niemanlab.org/2012/12/how-does-wikipedia-deal-with-a-mass-shooting-a-frenzied-start-gives-way-to-a-few-core-editors/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was wondering the same.  From the author:</p>
<p>&#8220;3,262 unique users edited one or more of these seven articles, 222 edited two or more of these articles, 60 had edited 3 or more, and a single user WWGB had edited all seven within the first 48 hours of their creation. These editors are at the center of Figure 7 where they connect to many of the articles on the periphery. The stars surrounding each of the articles are the editors who contributed to that article and that article alone (in this corpus). WWGB is an editor who appears to specialize not only in editing articles about current events, but participating in a community of editors engaged in the newswork on Wikipedia. These editors are not the first to respond (as above), but their work involves documenting administrative pages enumerating current events and mediating discussions across disparate current events articles. The ability for these collaborations to unfold as smoothly as they do appears to rest on the ability for Wikipedia editors with newswork experience to either supplant or compliment the work done by amateurs who first arrive on the page.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.niemanlab.org/2012/12/how-does-wikipedia-deal-with-a-mass-shooting-a-frenzied-start-gives-way-to-a-few-core-editors/" rel="nofollow">http://www.niemanlab.org/2012/12/how-does-wikipedia-deal-with-a-mass-shooting-a-frenzied-start-gives-way-to-a-few-core-editors/</a></p>
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		<title>By: aadahl</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2012/12/19/what-wikipedia-can-tell-us-about-the-future-of-news/#comment-1270012</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[aadahl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2012 15:31:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wikipedia is subject to manipulation of fact, deliberate omissions, selective editing and blind obedience to some internal agenda. Oh wait, that&#039;s just like mainstream media...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wikipedia is subject to manipulation of fact, deliberate omissions, selective editing and blind obedience to some internal agenda. Oh wait, that&#8217;s just like mainstream media&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: seave</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2012/12/19/what-wikipedia-can-tell-us-about-the-future-of-news/#comment-1269849</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[seave]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2012 13:50:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t understand the graph in the article.  Can you explain how to read it and what it demonstrates?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t understand the graph in the article.  Can you explain how to read it and what it demonstrates?</p>
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