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	<title>Comments on: Like it or not, real-time crowdsourced news verification is here to stay</title>
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		<title>By: Diana</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2012/12/18/like-it-or-not-real-time-crowdsourced-news-verification-is-here-to-stay/#comment-1271113</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Diana]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2012 01:05:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t see anything in this piece that articulates exactly how the benefits of real-time crowdsourced news outweigh the disadvantages.  I clicked on the article looking for the writer&#039;s thoughts this, and feel a bit taken in by false headlining.  Anyway, thanks to Tim Hallbur for his insights and ideas.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t see anything in this piece that articulates exactly how the benefits of real-time crowdsourced news outweigh the disadvantages.  I clicked on the article looking for the writer&#8217;s thoughts this, and feel a bit taken in by false headlining.  Anyway, thanks to Tim Hallbur for his insights and ideas.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Halbur</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2012/12/18/like-it-or-not-real-time-crowdsourced-news-verification-is-here-to-stay/#comment-1270652</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tim Halbur]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2012 19:44:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was reading GigaOm from newest to oldest and just came across your previous article

http://gigaom.com/2012/12/15/its-not-twitter-this-is-just-the-way-the-news-works-now/

where you and the commentors make some of the same comments/thoughts that I did.  I do think that just because this is the way real time reporting is done today, doesn&#039;t mean that it has to be that way.  I think we should be pushing for options because the current process is broken.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was reading GigaOm from newest to oldest and just came across your previous article</p>
<p><a href="http://gigaom.com/2012/12/15/its-not-twitter-this-is-just-the-way-the-news-works-now/" rel="nofollow">http://gigaom.com/2012/12/15/its-not-twitter-this-is-just-the-way-the-news-works-now/</a></p>
<p>where you and the commentors make some of the same comments/thoughts that I did.  I do think that just because this is the way real time reporting is done today, doesn&#8217;t mean that it has to be that way.  I think we should be pushing for options because the current process is broken.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Halbur</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2012/12/18/like-it-or-not-real-time-crowdsourced-news-verification-is-here-to-stay/#comment-1270299</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tim Halbur]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2012 17:11:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[While I know that we can&#039;t put the genie back in the bottle, I just can&#039;t buy that the benefits outweigh the risks.  

You&#039;re absolutely correct, mistakes are not limited to the Twittersphere - the news agencies in their rush to be first are making as many errors as the crowd.  But with the 140 character limitation the tweet almost by definition is misleading on most anything of substance.  And the fact that it generally isn&#039;t viewed as a stream from beginning to end through something like Storify versus at a point in time means that the correction to mistakes often aren&#039;t seen.  Whereas the news agencies often get it just as wrong, but because they recap and review every 15 minutes the mistakes get debunked much more easily.

What Carvin was trying to do around providing some clarification on his tweets is where I believe the change should be made.  Some way to have more of a wikipedia approach where the &quot;story&quot; is updated in place versus the publishing of one tweet at a time.  If the individual tweet had the one piece of information that was to be conveyed, but also had a link to the full story where all the facts were aggregated, then the crowdsourced approach makes more sense.  I&#039;m not saying that&#039;s easy, or even possible, especially around real time, but that is where I have an issue with twitter.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I know that we can&#8217;t put the genie back in the bottle, I just can&#8217;t buy that the benefits outweigh the risks.  </p>
<p>You&#8217;re absolutely correct, mistakes are not limited to the Twittersphere &#8211; the news agencies in their rush to be first are making as many errors as the crowd.  But with the 140 character limitation the tweet almost by definition is misleading on most anything of substance.  And the fact that it generally isn&#8217;t viewed as a stream from beginning to end through something like Storify versus at a point in time means that the correction to mistakes often aren&#8217;t seen.  Whereas the news agencies often get it just as wrong, but because they recap and review every 15 minutes the mistakes get debunked much more easily.</p>
<p>What Carvin was trying to do around providing some clarification on his tweets is where I believe the change should be made.  Some way to have more of a wikipedia approach where the &#8220;story&#8221; is updated in place versus the publishing of one tweet at a time.  If the individual tweet had the one piece of information that was to be conveyed, but also had a link to the full story where all the facts were aggregated, then the crowdsourced approach makes more sense.  I&#8217;m not saying that&#8217;s easy, or even possible, especially around real time, but that is where I have an issue with twitter.</p>
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		<title>By: Robespierre</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robespierre]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2012 16:32:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have to agree with Wolff, getting your news from Twitter means you&#039;re probably getting erroneous reports. In the rush to be first to report or tweet, rumor, innuendo, speculation and outright falsities are constantly tossed out there. There&#039;s no verification. And if you were to believe Heidi Moore, one of the sources appears to be crows (crowsourcing?). And retweeting is for parrots; parroting only extends the erroneous reports and gives them false validation. Losing true journalists who verify their information and sources to crowdsourcing via Twitter will be a true travesty. And the increasing, overwhelming numbers of people who do get their &quot;news&quot; from Twitter posts means true, verified news is an endangered beast. I guess with Twitter you get what you don&#039;t pay for - free means free and loose with the truth.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to agree with Wolff, getting your news from Twitter means you&#8217;re probably getting erroneous reports. In the rush to be first to report or tweet, rumor, innuendo, speculation and outright falsities are constantly tossed out there. There&#8217;s no verification. And if you were to believe Heidi Moore, one of the sources appears to be crows (crowsourcing?). And retweeting is for parrots; parroting only extends the erroneous reports and gives them false validation. Losing true journalists who verify their information and sources to crowdsourcing via Twitter will be a true travesty. And the increasing, overwhelming numbers of people who do get their &#8220;news&#8221; from Twitter posts means true, verified news is an endangered beast. I guess with Twitter you get what you don&#8217;t pay for &#8211; free means free and loose with the truth.</p>
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		<title>By: John Hamer</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Hamer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2012 18:32:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with Matthew that the benefits outweigh the risks most of the time. And he&#039;s right that &quot;we are all in this thing together now.&quot; But what do we do when journalists of any kind report information that is demonstrably untrue and they know it? Then they refuse to make corrections or answer questions? For an astonishingly egregious example by a major CBS affiliate TV station in Seattle, see http://wanewscouncil.org/2012/06/06/washington-news-council-to-hold-hearing-on-complaints-from-leschi-school-community-against-kiro7-eyewitness-news/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Matthew that the benefits outweigh the risks most of the time. And he&#8217;s right that &#8220;we are all in this thing together now.&#8221; But what do we do when journalists of any kind report information that is demonstrably untrue and they know it? Then they refuse to make corrections or answer questions? For an astonishingly egregious example by a major CBS affiliate TV station in Seattle, see <a href="http://wanewscouncil.org/2012/06/06/washington-news-council-to-hold-hearing-on-complaints-from-leschi-school-community-against-kiro7-eyewitness-news/" rel="nofollow">http://wanewscouncil.org/2012/06/06/washington-news-council-to-hold-hearing-on-complaints-from-leschi-school-community-against-kiro7-eyewitness-news/</a></p>
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		<title>By: anstett</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2012/12/18/like-it-or-not-real-time-crowdsourced-news-verification-is-here-to-stay/#comment-1268333</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[anstett]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2012 16:36:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[David Brin&#039;s Existence has a nice example of imagining how this sort of crowd sourcing/flash data mob can work under a well trained &quot;conductor&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David Brin&#8217;s Existence has a nice example of imagining how this sort of crowd sourcing/flash data mob can work under a well trained &#8220;conductor&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Danny</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2012/12/18/like-it-or-not-real-time-crowdsourced-news-verification-is-here-to-stay/#comment-1268163</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Danny]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2012 15:13:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have just recently started my own crowd-sourced newspaper at http://www.igotish.com — I guess the main issue here is how to curate the content on the site. There might be two approaches, either don&#039;t care, or find a way to also crowd-source the editing process. I plan to do this by having a reputation system, that people can earn points on and when collected enough, they will get some editing features available to them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have just recently started my own crowd-sourced newspaper at <a href="http://www.igotish.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.igotish.com</a> — I guess the main issue here is how to curate the content on the site. There might be two approaches, either don&#8217;t care, or find a way to also crowd-source the editing process. I plan to do this by having a reputation system, that people can earn points on and when collected enough, they will get some editing features available to them.</p>
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