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	<title>Comments on: Why the NYT is wrong to put a social-media muzzle on its journalists</title>
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		<title>By: Valery Lepinette</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Valery Lepinette]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2012 08:14:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is just another example of of the corporate world getting to grips with new usage, but interesting to see that this time its a media organization that is discovering to some extent &quot;social media bashing&quot;. Since NYT too is running a business with a P&amp;L, its not totally unreasonable for them to set up a little bit of social media usage governance for their reporters, just like any corporate organization would do. Will it serve NYT medium term objectives is the real question, but I&#039;m sure they have reviewed that carefully before taking that decision. At least their decision seems to be coherent with their traditional business model of producing thought leadership media coverage. NYT or other corporate organization objectives don&#039;t necessarily align to its employees free posting activity. But I agree that free posting is the essence of social networks business model, so it does matter for social networks owners. This is raising the problem of corporate values adhesion by employees in the digital world.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is just another example of of the corporate world getting to grips with new usage, but interesting to see that this time its a media organization that is discovering to some extent &#8220;social media bashing&#8221;. Since NYT too is running a business with a P&amp;L, its not totally unreasonable for them to set up a little bit of social media usage governance for their reporters, just like any corporate organization would do. Will it serve NYT medium term objectives is the real question, but I&#8217;m sure they have reviewed that carefully before taking that decision. At least their decision seems to be coherent with their traditional business model of producing thought leadership media coverage. NYT or other corporate organization objectives don&#8217;t necessarily align to its employees free posting activity. But I agree that free posting is the essence of social networks business model, so it does matter for social networks owners. This is raising the problem of corporate values adhesion by employees in the digital world.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Rock</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brian Rock]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2012 05:28:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@50GreenDodge, yes, I read the NYTimes every day. Along with, oh, a couple million other people.

As for the main topic, the Times is definitely going overboard. I&#039;m glad I&#039;m not a journalist. I&#039;m a high school teacher, and school districts across the country are making wonderful &quot;Social Media Policies&quot; (which are, by the letter, much stricter than the Times reaction to Rudoren&#039;s tweets).

But really they&#039;re CYA policies for school districts that can&#039;t be enforced (most cross of them clearly cross the border of free speech) and won&#039;t be enforced unless a teacher does something ridiculous (like the teacher in NJ who made bigoted remarks about gay students).

There&#039;s nothing wrong with journalists having opinions. We all know they have them anyway, and trying to pretend like they don&#039;t is just stupid.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@50GreenDodge, yes, I read the NYTimes every day. Along with, oh, a couple million other people.</p>
<p>As for the main topic, the Times is definitely going overboard. I&#8217;m glad I&#8217;m not a journalist. I&#8217;m a high school teacher, and school districts across the country are making wonderful &#8220;Social Media Policies&#8221; (which are, by the letter, much stricter than the Times reaction to Rudoren&#8217;s tweets).</p>
<p>But really they&#8217;re CYA policies for school districts that can&#8217;t be enforced (most cross of them clearly cross the border of free speech) and won&#8217;t be enforced unless a teacher does something ridiculous (like the teacher in NJ who made bigoted remarks about gay students).</p>
<p>There&#8217;s nothing wrong with journalists having opinions. We all know they have them anyway, and trying to pretend like they don&#8217;t is just stupid.</p>
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		<title>By: 50GreenDodge</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[50GreenDodge]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2012 00:31:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Does anyone really even CARE about the NYT anymore?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does anyone really even CARE about the NYT anymore?</p>
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		<title>By: Ellie K</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ellie K]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2012 09:58:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Journalists&#039; use of social media, Twitter in particular, depends a lot on the subject matter. Reuters financial chart person, Scotty Barber, is great. He interacts with the public, acknowledges and thanks people who point out occasional oversights. Same is true for other Reuters economic and business journalists (Cate Long, Pedro deCosta, Eric Burroughs). They aren&#039;t covering news in the Middle East, though.

Olaf Storbeck (Handelsblatt), Lisa Pollack (FT) and Binyamin Appelbaum (NY Times) cover U.S. and European business, economic and public policy news. They are active on Twitter. They seem deliberately neutral, yet responsive and spontaneous in their public Twitter interactions. 

I am so appreciative! The opportunity to glimpse the person behind the news story by-line has made a big difference to me. It has motivated me to follow current events more closely than I ever did before (even though I knew should have been more diligent in the past). I am grateful, and hope sensible social media activity by reporters will continue.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Journalists&#8217; use of social media, Twitter in particular, depends a lot on the subject matter. Reuters financial chart person, Scotty Barber, is great. He interacts with the public, acknowledges and thanks people who point out occasional oversights. Same is true for other Reuters economic and business journalists (Cate Long, Pedro deCosta, Eric Burroughs). They aren&#8217;t covering news in the Middle East, though.</p>
<p>Olaf Storbeck (Handelsblatt), Lisa Pollack (FT) and Binyamin Appelbaum (NY Times) cover U.S. and European business, economic and public policy news. They are active on Twitter. They seem deliberately neutral, yet responsive and spontaneous in their public Twitter interactions. </p>
<p>I am so appreciative! The opportunity to glimpse the person behind the news story by-line has made a big difference to me. It has motivated me to follow current events more closely than I ever did before (even though I knew should have been more diligent in the past). I am grateful, and hope sensible social media activity by reporters will continue.</p>
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		<title>By: Ellie K</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ellie K]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2012 09:33:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[SR, 
I&#039;m not familiar with the NY Times bureau chief in Jerusalem beyond this post, which said: 
&quot;she was criticized for praising a book about Zionism, for linking to an article in a pro-Hezbollah Lebanese newspaper without comment, and &#039;schmoozing&#039; with a Palestinian activist...&quot;
Doesn&#039;t seem as though Jodi Rudoren was biased against A-rabs (your expression, not mine).

Nevertheless, I believe that you are correct, for a journalist covering very politically and emotionally charged news. Even if Jodi Rudoren&#039;s coverage were equally critical, or praising, of all sides, there would be problems. That&#039;s because in each isolated instance, on Twitter or Facebook, we only see that particular comment or update. NY Times&#039; own editors can look at the sum total, over time, but it is not so easy (or rather, so likely) that the public will do similarly. 

Trust in journalists and the media is VERY important! There is already distrust, sometimes unnecessarily so. The public shouldn&#039;t need to vet journalists for integrity and unbiased coverage, and is unlikely to do so.

I really like mainstream media and traditional journalism. I don&#039;t like Huffington Post. I do like lots of Giga Om (Ms. Higginbotham is AMAZING)... and I&#039;m starting to trust Mathew Ingram too, as a consistent reporter. Social media can reinforce the effectiveness of news media, when used with care, but that&#039;s another topic.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SR,<br />
I&#8217;m not familiar with the NY Times bureau chief in Jerusalem beyond this post, which said:<br />
&#8220;she was criticized for praising a book about Zionism, for linking to an article in a pro-Hezbollah Lebanese newspaper without comment, and &#8216;schmoozing&#8217; with a Palestinian activist&#8230;&#8221;<br />
Doesn&#8217;t seem as though Jodi Rudoren was biased against A-rabs (your expression, not mine).</p>
<p>Nevertheless, I believe that you are correct, for a journalist covering very politically and emotionally charged news. Even if Jodi Rudoren&#8217;s coverage were equally critical, or praising, of all sides, there would be problems. That&#8217;s because in each isolated instance, on Twitter or Facebook, we only see that particular comment or update. NY Times&#8217; own editors can look at the sum total, over time, but it is not so easy (or rather, so likely) that the public will do similarly. </p>
<p>Trust in journalists and the media is VERY important! There is already distrust, sometimes unnecessarily so. The public shouldn&#8217;t need to vet journalists for integrity and unbiased coverage, and is unlikely to do so.</p>
<p>I really like mainstream media and traditional journalism. I don&#8217;t like Huffington Post. I do like lots of Giga Om (Ms. Higginbotham is AMAZING)&#8230; and I&#8217;m starting to trust Mathew Ingram too, as a consistent reporter. Social media can reinforce the effectiveness of news media, when used with care, but that&#8217;s another topic.</p>
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		<title>By: SR</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[SR]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2012 03:42:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi,


The NYT doesn&#039;t like it that we can see the bias of one of its writers.  She&#039;s wet, she thought she could write what came instinctively, whether it was racist and bigoted or de-humanizing or not, she&#039;s quickly learning she must learn the script at the NYT.

Yes, Cry for Israeli&#039;s in fear, while surrounded by actual death of babies in Gaza where you&#039;re meant to be reporting from, et al, but don&#039;t be so obvious to let readers know what you actually think of the &quot;other&quot; people, those who speak that foreign A-Rab language, etc!

Interesting timeline of the evolution of the story/incident  :  http://mondoweiss.net/2012/11/ruing-rudorens-facebook-posts-nyt-assigns-her-a-social-media-editor.html




More generally, this is why Social Media has its benefits, people can easily communicate and converse with those in the media - for some reason they needed FB/Twitter to do this rather than web1.0 email - we get dialogue, which enables discourse, which enables empathy, which begets progress (and hopefully, harmony) but that&#039;s on a person-2-person basis; commercially, old-style media is almost all about control, and so unless you&#039;re going to be liberal in the permissions granted to your staff, you&#039;re fighting a paradoxical uphill struggle against someone spouting impulsively their personal thoughts for what retains as persistent global publishing.


nb. see the complete killing-off of MYspace by Murdoch/newsCorp moribund decision-making processes, i.e. control.



jjj is completely right about soc.nets for commercial businesses, but is the solution to be honest about what NYT writers really think and let them declare their biases for all to appreciate, or as the NYT is deciding to do, give us a varnished version of actual facts and their own editorial agenda, however corrupted?


Yours kindly,


SR]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,</p>
<p>The NYT doesn&#8217;t like it that we can see the bias of one of its writers.  She&#8217;s wet, she thought she could write what came instinctively, whether it was racist and bigoted or de-humanizing or not, she&#8217;s quickly learning she must learn the script at the NYT.</p>
<p>Yes, Cry for Israeli&#8217;s in fear, while surrounded by actual death of babies in Gaza where you&#8217;re meant to be reporting from, et al, but don&#8217;t be so obvious to let readers know what you actually think of the &#8220;other&#8221; people, those who speak that foreign A-Rab language, etc!</p>
<p>Interesting timeline of the evolution of the story/incident  :  <a href="http://mondoweiss.net/2012/11/ruing-rudorens-facebook-posts-nyt-assigns-her-a-social-media-editor.html" rel="nofollow">http://mondoweiss.net/2012/11/ruing-rudorens-facebook-posts-nyt-assigns-her-a-social-media-editor.html</a></p>
<p>More generally, this is why Social Media has its benefits, people can easily communicate and converse with those in the media &#8211; for some reason they needed FB/Twitter to do this rather than web1.0 email &#8211; we get dialogue, which enables discourse, which enables empathy, which begets progress (and hopefully, harmony) but that&#8217;s on a person-2-person basis; commercially, old-style media is almost all about control, and so unless you&#8217;re going to be liberal in the permissions granted to your staff, you&#8217;re fighting a paradoxical uphill struggle against someone spouting impulsively their personal thoughts for what retains as persistent global publishing.</p>
<p>nb. see the complete killing-off of MYspace by Murdoch/newsCorp moribund decision-making processes, i.e. control.</p>
<p>jjj is completely right about soc.nets for commercial businesses, but is the solution to be honest about what NYT writers really think and let them declare their biases for all to appreciate, or as the NYT is deciding to do, give us a varnished version of actual facts and their own editorial agenda, however corrupted?</p>
<p>Yours kindly,</p>
<p>SR</p>
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		<title>By: jjj</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jjj]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2012 00:03:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You are looking at this all wrong,what is said publicly on social media by folks representing NYT should be at the same standards as what in published on NYT.com no matter the subject.Besides that , social media should be used for marketing, there is no other upside,so from a business perspective there should be a clear strategy of what and when is published.
NYT needs to maintain it&#039;s reputation and standards and needs to make some money.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are looking at this all wrong,what is said publicly on social media by folks representing NYT should be at the same standards as what in published on NYT.com no matter the subject.Besides that , social media should be used for marketing, there is no other upside,so from a business perspective there should be a clear strategy of what and when is published.<br />
NYT needs to maintain it&#8217;s reputation and standards and needs to make some money.</p>
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