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		<title>By: Chris Jackson</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris Jackson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2013 10:40:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As a black man who has been observing prejudice on the internet for years, I have this to say. Those kids deserved to be shamed. I&#039;ve noticed over the years that young white people (and older white people) never truly let go of their prejudiced beliefs. That&#039;s why people here are actually TRIVIALIZING AND DEFENDING these racist remarks. You people are saying we should be forgiving of these kids and remain copacetic and open-minded about racism, but do you ever stop to think of black people reading remarks like this? What about a black man who is open-minded and accepting of other races? How do you think he feels? Where should he stand in this debate? Does your model of a more &quot;open-minded&quot; society include black people who feel like everyone hates them just because of their skin color and little else? 

To go even further into the racism issue, do you people honestly think no one is aware of stuff like this? Rest assured, these things happen on the internet all the time. Some people online seem downright fixated on black people, the racism is so bad. Do you people seriously believe for a second that a black person who&#039;s grown accustomed to discrimination online is going to feel sympathy for these people? Would YOU feel sympathy for someone abusing/harassing you?

No, I don&#039;t feel sympathy for these kids. I don&#039;t believe they are going to get over their prejudice towards black people (any time soon at least). And they are not remorseful for what they have said, we punish everyone else in society for their mistakes; so why should they be treated any differently? Because they are white, so they get a pass? Well how about if these were black kids posting racist remarks about white people? Would your stance change then? I believe it would!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a black man who has been observing prejudice on the internet for years, I have this to say. Those kids deserved to be shamed. I&#8217;ve noticed over the years that young white people (and older white people) never truly let go of their prejudiced beliefs. That&#8217;s why people here are actually TRIVIALIZING AND DEFENDING these racist remarks. You people are saying we should be forgiving of these kids and remain copacetic and open-minded about racism, but do you ever stop to think of black people reading remarks like this? What about a black man who is open-minded and accepting of other races? How do you think he feels? Where should he stand in this debate? Does your model of a more &#8220;open-minded&#8221; society include black people who feel like everyone hates them just because of their skin color and little else? </p>
<p>To go even further into the racism issue, do you people honestly think no one is aware of stuff like this? Rest assured, these things happen on the internet all the time. Some people online seem downright fixated on black people, the racism is so bad. Do you people seriously believe for a second that a black person who&#8217;s grown accustomed to discrimination online is going to feel sympathy for these people? Would YOU feel sympathy for someone abusing/harassing you?</p>
<p>No, I don&#8217;t feel sympathy for these kids. I don&#8217;t believe they are going to get over their prejudice towards black people (any time soon at least). And they are not remorseful for what they have said, we punish everyone else in society for their mistakes; so why should they be treated any differently? Because they are white, so they get a pass? Well how about if these were black kids posting racist remarks about white people? Would your stance change then? I believe it would!</p>
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		<title>By: Muswell</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2012/11/09/when-does-shaming-racist-kids-turn-into-online-bullying/#comment-1208156</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Muswell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2012 17:02:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Items posted on facebook, or elsewhere on public websites are just that - public!  If nobody else is pointing out to these teens the error of their ways (presumably their parents didn&#039;t for whatever reason) then they do need to be held to account for many things:  racist rants, disrespect for our president - in fact, disrespect for the Office of the Presidency, and the fact that several seem to want to get scholarships.  Do they not realize that many of the higher learning institutions receive federal money?  If they have no respect for this presidency and administration then why are they vying for scholarships?  You can&#039;t have your cake and eat it, too - or at least you shouldn&#039;t!  

They remind me of the &#039;secessionists,&#039; many of whom would be horrified if their various government programs went away - Medicaid, Medicare, Social Security, disability, unemployment, food stamps, housing assistance, etc. - and yet see fit to sign secession petitions when its pretty obvious that the vast majority of them are inherently racist.  

President Obama is held in high regard by the people and governments of most of the rest of the world and yet here we are in the U.S. still struggling to overcome the last vestiges of extreme racism and bigotry.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Items posted on facebook, or elsewhere on public websites are just that &#8211; public!  If nobody else is pointing out to these teens the error of their ways (presumably their parents didn&#8217;t for whatever reason) then they do need to be held to account for many things:  racist rants, disrespect for our president &#8211; in fact, disrespect for the Office of the Presidency, and the fact that several seem to want to get scholarships.  Do they not realize that many of the higher learning institutions receive federal money?  If they have no respect for this presidency and administration then why are they vying for scholarships?  You can&#8217;t have your cake and eat it, too &#8211; or at least you shouldn&#8217;t!  </p>
<p>They remind me of the &#8216;secessionists,&#8217; many of whom would be horrified if their various government programs went away &#8211; Medicaid, Medicare, Social Security, disability, unemployment, food stamps, housing assistance, etc. &#8211; and yet see fit to sign secession petitions when its pretty obvious that the vast majority of them are inherently racist.  </p>
<p>President Obama is held in high regard by the people and governments of most of the rest of the world and yet here we are in the U.S. still struggling to overcome the last vestiges of extreme racism and bigotry.</p>
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		<title>By: thabomophiring</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2012/11/09/when-does-shaming-racist-kids-turn-into-online-bullying/#comment-1203542</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[thabomophiring]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2012 16:58:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What is clear is that no-one is educating these teenagers in the 1st place. No one,not even a teenager has the right to be a bigot.
Shaming is used by society to enforce identities like gender, so why can it not be used to create space for rethinking racism.

my blog on this http://qhabhuti.wordpress.com/2012/11/22/liberal-mindset-that-sustains-racism-social-shaming/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is clear is that no-one is educating these teenagers in the 1st place. No one,not even a teenager has the right to be a bigot.<br />
Shaming is used by society to enforce identities like gender, so why can it not be used to create space for rethinking racism.</p>
<p>my blog on this <a href="http://qhabhuti.wordpress.com/2012/11/22/liberal-mindset-that-sustains-racism-social-shaming/" rel="nofollow">http://qhabhuti.wordpress.com/2012/11/22/liberal-mindset-that-sustains-racism-social-shaming/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Charlie</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Charlie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2012 22:05:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I, like others commenting on Liz Pullen&#039;s spot-on article, have no idea what &quot;Spike&quot; is talking about.  Hate speech may, in some forms, be protected by the First Amendment.  That&#039;s ok.  But expressing hate speech has consequences.  Simply because the speaker might be a high school student doesn&#039;t mean they don&#039;t understand or appreciate the concept of &quot;the internet&quot;, or how permanent and pervasive their comments and pictures can be.  Certainly if they know how to tweet, post, like, etc., they can figure out that their racist opinions can now go viral and impact them, in some form or another, in the future.  Further, neither Jezebel nor anyone else outing these racist kids is &#039;shaming&#039; them.  Other people (employers, college admission boards, classmates, co-workers) can respond to the kid&#039;s racism in any way they want as long as it is legal.  If this all means that some kids are too young (read: stupid) to realize the consequences of their actions, then they shouldn&#039;t have the technology in their possession in the first place.  I&#039;m sorry, but the bottom line is that technology can force all of us to be more responsible and careful than we otherwise would be.  Just think if a presidential candidate made some disparaging comments that were caught on a cell phone camera and then posted across the whole country?  It could affect the whole election!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I, like others commenting on Liz Pullen&#8217;s spot-on article, have no idea what &#8220;Spike&#8221; is talking about.  Hate speech may, in some forms, be protected by the First Amendment.  That&#8217;s ok.  But expressing hate speech has consequences.  Simply because the speaker might be a high school student doesn&#8217;t mean they don&#8217;t understand or appreciate the concept of &#8220;the internet&#8221;, or how permanent and pervasive their comments and pictures can be.  Certainly if they know how to tweet, post, like, etc., they can figure out that their racist opinions can now go viral and impact them, in some form or another, in the future.  Further, neither Jezebel nor anyone else outing these racist kids is &#8216;shaming&#8217; them.  Other people (employers, college admission boards, classmates, co-workers) can respond to the kid&#8217;s racism in any way they want as long as it is legal.  If this all means that some kids are too young (read: stupid) to realize the consequences of their actions, then they shouldn&#8217;t have the technology in their possession in the first place.  I&#8217;m sorry, but the bottom line is that technology can force all of us to be more responsible and careful than we otherwise would be.  Just think if a presidential candidate made some disparaging comments that were caught on a cell phone camera and then posted across the whole country?  It could affect the whole election!</p>
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		<title>By: Spike</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2012/11/09/when-does-shaming-racist-kids-turn-into-online-bullying/#comment-1178011</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Spike]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2012 19:04:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Indeed, as another non-white, I&#039;m greatly disturbed by this. It does little to address racism and more to keep it as highly concealed as possible while harboring resentment for having to keep it concealed. Moreover it seems to be a war between whites using us as ammunition. Secondly, looking at the Gawker Media site, they all seem to be hipsters and the various sort of urban white collar creative class types, notorious for loudly stating how okay they are with other races, but covertly sending their kids to charter schools and private schools and gentrifying blacks and browns right out of their neighborhoods with rising rents and calling out code violations on ethnic stores and markets. Hypocrites, all.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed, as another non-white, I&#8217;m greatly disturbed by this. It does little to address racism and more to keep it as highly concealed as possible while harboring resentment for having to keep it concealed. Moreover it seems to be a war between whites using us as ammunition. Secondly, looking at the Gawker Media site, they all seem to be hipsters and the various sort of urban white collar creative class types, notorious for loudly stating how okay they are with other races, but covertly sending their kids to charter schools and private schools and gentrifying blacks and browns right out of their neighborhoods with rising rents and calling out code violations on ethnic stores and markets. Hypocrites, all.</p>
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		<title>By: Spike</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2012/11/09/when-does-shaming-racist-kids-turn-into-online-bullying/#comment-1177961</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Spike]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2012 18:53:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wait, what? You&#039;re comparing Jezebel and folks like yourself to the White Rose resistance movement? Oh wait, you&#039;re not because you probably haven&#039;t even realized that there was a resistance movement to the Nazis. What happened to them? They were arrested and died horrible deaths for their non-violent protests.

You&#039;re like them, because you find dumb or misguided teens on the net and publicly out their stupidity (rather than say reporting it to their school counselors to be addressed privately). Instead of having people confront the racism inside them, you just want them never ever to mention it.

For that you compare yourself to young Germans who were tortured to death for standing up to Nazi brutality.

You sir, are a drama queen and moral retard. You care zero about addressing and correcting racism and just want to stifle and shame people who disagree with you, not convince them of the wrongness inside and lead them to a better understanding. And god forbid you see the wrongness inside you!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wait, what? You&#8217;re comparing Jezebel and folks like yourself to the White Rose resistance movement? Oh wait, you&#8217;re not because you probably haven&#8217;t even realized that there was a resistance movement to the Nazis. What happened to them? They were arrested and died horrible deaths for their non-violent protests.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re like them, because you find dumb or misguided teens on the net and publicly out their stupidity (rather than say reporting it to their school counselors to be addressed privately). Instead of having people confront the racism inside them, you just want them never ever to mention it.</p>
<p>For that you compare yourself to young Germans who were tortured to death for standing up to Nazi brutality.</p>
<p>You sir, are a drama queen and moral retard. You care zero about addressing and correcting racism and just want to stifle and shame people who disagree with you, not convince them of the wrongness inside and lead them to a better understanding. And god forbid you see the wrongness inside you!</p>
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		<title>By: guest</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2012/11/09/when-does-shaming-racist-kids-turn-into-online-bullying/#comment-1175404</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[guest]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2012 00:34:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;If you’re on the Internet being a bigot (race, gender, gay, religion) you deserve all that you get back&lt;/i&gt;

So if I tracked down one of these tweeters and murdered him/her, would that be deserved?  Or does the mere involvement of the internet &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; act as a moral magic wand that justifies any reaction whatsoever?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>If you’re on the Internet being a bigot (race, gender, gay, religion) you deserve all that you get back</i></p>
<p>So if I tracked down one of these tweeters and murdered him/her, would that be deserved?  Or does the mere involvement of the internet <i>not</i> act as a moral magic wand that justifies any reaction whatsoever?</p>
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		<title>By: guesto</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[guesto]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2012 00:28:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So the ultimate issue here is: when is it okay for a major corporation to intentionally destroy a kid&#039;s future in order to make a profit or have some lulz?  Maybe your answer is that if the kid says something racist, that makes it okay -- but for me, that rationale rings hollow.

No one is asking for these kids to be protected from the consequences of their (racist, moronic) actions -- if a college admissions officer or prospective employer had googled one of these names and stumbled across the tweets on his own, I would have zero sympathy.  But Jezebel went out of its way to gin up consequences (national media coverage, strangers calling schools and colleges) far out of proportion to what most teens, and even most adults, face for errant tweets.  Reading Jezebel&#039;s post and having some historic familiarity with the site, I can&#039;t escape the impression that they ruined these kids&#039; lives for the lulz.  Self-righteous lulz, to be sure -- but lulz nonetheless.  Petty, vindictive gratification.  

Commenters supportive of Jezebel have consistently said things like: &quot;if you&#039;re going to post on the internet like an adult [whatever THAT means], you should be treated like an adult.&quot;  Yet we clearly don&#039;t feel that way when kids post &quot;adult&quot; photos of themselves -- and nor should we.  No one is asking Google to de-index these tweets or accord the racists special treatment because they&#039;re underage.  But Jezebel *has* accorded them special treatment -- has singled them out for torment, just for fun (and maybe for pageviews) -- and that&#039;s disturbing and unprofessional.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So the ultimate issue here is: when is it okay for a major corporation to intentionally destroy a kid&#8217;s future in order to make a profit or have some lulz?  Maybe your answer is that if the kid says something racist, that makes it okay &#8212; but for me, that rationale rings hollow.</p>
<p>No one is asking for these kids to be protected from the consequences of their (racist, moronic) actions &#8212; if a college admissions officer or prospective employer had googled one of these names and stumbled across the tweets on his own, I would have zero sympathy.  But Jezebel went out of its way to gin up consequences (national media coverage, strangers calling schools and colleges) far out of proportion to what most teens, and even most adults, face for errant tweets.  Reading Jezebel&#8217;s post and having some historic familiarity with the site, I can&#8217;t escape the impression that they ruined these kids&#8217; lives for the lulz.  Self-righteous lulz, to be sure &#8212; but lulz nonetheless.  Petty, vindictive gratification.  </p>
<p>Commenters supportive of Jezebel have consistently said things like: &#8220;if you&#8217;re going to post on the internet like an adult [whatever THAT means], you should be treated like an adult.&#8221;  Yet we clearly don&#8217;t feel that way when kids post &#8220;adult&#8221; photos of themselves &#8212; and nor should we.  No one is asking Google to de-index these tweets or accord the racists special treatment because they&#8217;re underage.  But Jezebel *has* accorded them special treatment &#8212; has singled them out for torment, just for fun (and maybe for pageviews) &#8212; and that&#8217;s disturbing and unprofessional.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Barker</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jack Barker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2012 03:58:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[These kids are potentially infecting my kids and their friends with their sick venom.
They are no better than drug dealers, and should be subject to similar social consequences.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These kids are potentially infecting my kids and their friends with their sick venom.<br />
They are no better than drug dealers, and should be subject to similar social consequences.</p>
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		<title>By: guest</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[guest]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2012 21:55:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with you!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you!</p>
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