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	<title>Comments on: Twitter, Reddit and the battle over freedom of speech</title>
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		<title>By: Evil French Guy</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2012/10/18/twitter-reddit-and-the-battle-over-freedom-of-speech/#comment-1103507</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Evil French Guy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2012 12:20:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Concerning the internal policy of Twitter and Reddit over Freedom of Speech, there is no real controversy. As private corporations, they are authorized to behave as they please on the sole condition that they respect the laws of the countries in which they are distributed. That means that they can restrict Freedom of Speech as much as they want. If people don’t like it then they can close their accounts and go elsewhere. It’s not a controversy for the censorship is plainly acknowledged and the customers can choose to boycott the company if they disagree with its policy. If they don’t, they can’t complain. The best example is probably that if people weren’t stupidly giving their personal information on Facebook, nobody would be whining at the threat it poses against private life. 

Concerning the various Nation-States’ restriction on the freedom of speech now, Matthew Ingram clearly misses the point in this article. 

“But Twitter’s decision to bow to Germany’s desire to block a specific account is troubling for a number of reasons. Although it is nice that Twitter can allow the rest of the world to see the tweets in question, rather than blocking it entirely, this is a little like Google selectively blocking access to the offensive anti-Muslim video “The Innocence of Muslims” from Egypt and Libya. Do people in those countries not deserve to see content that everyone else can see? Are we prepared to sacrifice their free-speech rights (assuming we think they have any) to protect the interests of a specific company?”

The main question behind the restriction of free speech is the subjectivity of cultural values. Germany, Egypt, USA have completely different legal system that are based on different conception of individual and collective freedom. Until recently Internet de facto tended to impose the American values to the rest of the world, and now that the Nation-States begin to re-implement their own judicial system on their populations online a lot of American observers have the impression that it’s a simple restriction of liberties because they assume their values are universal. The question should not be ‘how to defend our right of free-speech against countries that have a different conception of what it should be’ but rather ‘how can we both protect the integrity of  free-speech in our country and the Country X conception of free speech in this very Country X’? Assuming that American-based freedom of speech should be extended to every country is the same process of thought that the one that assumes that Sharia-based restrictions of publications should be extended to America. Using the quotation above , what underlies the reasoning of Matthew Ingram is simply “Are we prepared to renounce deciding in their place to make them adopt a system of values that is strictly ours but that we personally think is best for them?”

The real problem he should have spoken about in this article is the danger that occurs when a company decides to restrict the global content it provides to respect the law of a single country, like Yahoo did 10 years ago. Matthew Ingram just observe that its “nice” that Twitter “allows the rest of the world” to browse the incriminated content “rather than blocking it entirely”, without realizing that such a policy is precisely enforcing the protection of American Free-Speech for the American Citizens.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Concerning the internal policy of Twitter and Reddit over Freedom of Speech, there is no real controversy. As private corporations, they are authorized to behave as they please on the sole condition that they respect the laws of the countries in which they are distributed. That means that they can restrict Freedom of Speech as much as they want. If people don’t like it then they can close their accounts and go elsewhere. It’s not a controversy for the censorship is plainly acknowledged and the customers can choose to boycott the company if they disagree with its policy. If they don’t, they can’t complain. The best example is probably that if people weren’t stupidly giving their personal information on Facebook, nobody would be whining at the threat it poses against private life. </p>
<p>Concerning the various Nation-States’ restriction on the freedom of speech now, Matthew Ingram clearly misses the point in this article. </p>
<p>“But Twitter’s decision to bow to Germany’s desire to block a specific account is troubling for a number of reasons. Although it is nice that Twitter can allow the rest of the world to see the tweets in question, rather than blocking it entirely, this is a little like Google selectively blocking access to the offensive anti-Muslim video “The Innocence of Muslims” from Egypt and Libya. Do people in those countries not deserve to see content that everyone else can see? Are we prepared to sacrifice their free-speech rights (assuming we think they have any) to protect the interests of a specific company?”</p>
<p>The main question behind the restriction of free speech is the subjectivity of cultural values. Germany, Egypt, USA have completely different legal system that are based on different conception of individual and collective freedom. Until recently Internet de facto tended to impose the American values to the rest of the world, and now that the Nation-States begin to re-implement their own judicial system on their populations online a lot of American observers have the impression that it’s a simple restriction of liberties because they assume their values are universal. The question should not be ‘how to defend our right of free-speech against countries that have a different conception of what it should be’ but rather ‘how can we both protect the integrity of  free-speech in our country and the Country X conception of free speech in this very Country X’? Assuming that American-based freedom of speech should be extended to every country is the same process of thought that the one that assumes that Sharia-based restrictions of publications should be extended to America. Using the quotation above , what underlies the reasoning of Matthew Ingram is simply “Are we prepared to renounce deciding in their place to make them adopt a system of values that is strictly ours but that we personally think is best for them?”</p>
<p>The real problem he should have spoken about in this article is the danger that occurs when a company decides to restrict the global content it provides to respect the law of a single country, like Yahoo did 10 years ago. Matthew Ingram just observe that its “nice” that Twitter “allows the rest of the world” to browse the incriminated content “rather than blocking it entirely”, without realizing that such a policy is precisely enforcing the protection of American Free-Speech for the American Citizens.</p>
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		<title>By: Flyby Guest</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2012/10/18/twitter-reddit-and-the-battle-over-freedom-of-speech/#comment-1097197</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Flyby Guest]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Oct 2012 14:30:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The author should also comment on the case of the suspension of Daniel Vergara&#039;s  parody Twitter account of Jennifer Rubin. It was in no way profane or scurrilous, but was an entirely humorous sendup of the Washington Post blogger Jennifer Rubin (a public figure). This twitter account was suspended weeks ago: https://twitter.com/JRubinBIogger
See also the link by James Fallows:
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/09/hitler-and-the-secret-video-the-creator-speaks/262664/ 
Seems to me that this is Twitter censorship, but there may be more to the story.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The author should also comment on the case of the suspension of Daniel Vergara&#8217;s  parody Twitter account of Jennifer Rubin. It was in no way profane or scurrilous, but was an entirely humorous sendup of the Washington Post blogger Jennifer Rubin (a public figure). This twitter account was suspended weeks ago: <a href="https://twitter.com/JRubinBIogger" rel="nofollow">https://twitter.com/JRubinBIogger</a><br />
See also the link by James Fallows:<br />
<a href="http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/09/hitler-and-the-secret-video-the-creator-speaks/262664/" rel="nofollow">http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/09/hitler-and-the-secret-video-the-creator-speaks/262664/</a><br />
Seems to me that this is Twitter censorship, but there may be more to the story.</p>
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		<title>By: Trace</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2012/10/18/twitter-reddit-and-the-battle-over-freedom-of-speech/#comment-1096971</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Trace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Oct 2012 12:53:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Gawker themselves post upskirts,underage nudes,public photos of women and private sex tapes.

Most people seem to have forgotten or are unaware that Gawker&#039;s moral crusade is built on hypocrisy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gawker themselves post upskirts,underage nudes,public photos of women and private sex tapes.</p>
<p>Most people seem to have forgotten or are unaware that Gawker&#8217;s moral crusade is built on hypocrisy.</p>
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		<title>By: zachary</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2012/10/18/twitter-reddit-and-the-battle-over-freedom-of-speech/#comment-1096470</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[zachary]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Oct 2012 07:53:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You touch on this issue briefly, but people seem to consider Twitter a public utility. It&#039;s not. It&#039;s a private company. They could decide to censor anything bad said about Michael Jackson, or any mention of the color chartreuse, and that would be their right. 

People have no more right to say anything on Twitter without being censored than you have a right to barge into my private living room if I don&#039;t want you there.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You touch on this issue briefly, but people seem to consider Twitter a public utility. It&#8217;s not. It&#8217;s a private company. They could decide to censor anything bad said about Michael Jackson, or any mention of the color chartreuse, and that would be their right. </p>
<p>People have no more right to say anything on Twitter without being censored than you have a right to barge into my private living room if I don&#8217;t want you there.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Capper</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2012/10/18/twitter-reddit-and-the-battle-over-freedom-of-speech/#comment-1094124</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tim Capper]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2012 13:53:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[in the marketplace of free speech the conversation should always be free, whatever the platform. If certain countries view it as illegal speech they should prosecute as they would if the person was proselytizing in the town square. Nowhere do we shut down the square and that is where Twitter , Google etc are erring. Give them the users details and let them deal with it As to reddit that&#039;s teenage anger at being called out when you know your in the wrong, the free speech flowed, that&#039;s what happens when you try to control something you have no control over. Them&#039;s the consequences.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>in the marketplace of free speech the conversation should always be free, whatever the platform. If certain countries view it as illegal speech they should prosecute as they would if the person was proselytizing in the town square. Nowhere do we shut down the square and that is where Twitter , Google etc are erring. Give them the users details and let them deal with it As to reddit that&#8217;s teenage anger at being called out when you know your in the wrong, the free speech flowed, that&#8217;s what happens when you try to control something you have no control over. Them&#8217;s the consequences.</p>
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		<title>By: Edward Champion</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2012/10/18/twitter-reddit-and-the-battle-over-freedom-of-speech/#comment-1092532</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Edward Champion]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2012 01:32:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As GigaOM reported on July 31, 2012, Guy Adams -- the journalist blocked by Twitter -- worked for the Independent, not the Financial Times.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As GigaOM reported on July 31, 2012, Guy Adams &#8212; the journalist blocked by Twitter &#8212; worked for the Independent, not the Financial Times.</p>
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		<title>By: Lily</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2012/10/18/twitter-reddit-and-the-battle-over-freedom-of-speech/#comment-1091757</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lily]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2012 19:01:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Exactly. Plus, freedom of speech doesn&#039;t include an anonymity clause and neither does the internet. Just because you are allowed to say something, doesn&#039;t mean you are guaranteed that no one will ever find out it was you and you will never, ever be held accountable for what you say.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exactly. Plus, freedom of speech doesn&#8217;t include an anonymity clause and neither does the internet. Just because you are allowed to say something, doesn&#8217;t mean you are guaranteed that no one will ever find out it was you and you will never, ever be held accountable for what you say.</p>
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		<title>By: Lily</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2012/10/18/twitter-reddit-and-the-battle-over-freedom-of-speech/#comment-1091742</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lily]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2012 18:56:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The only reason I would cut Twitter a little slack at the moment is because I&#039;m not clear on what exactly the German law says. I remember Yahoo got into a mess with the French government over their laws on Nazi paraphernalia (although I think that was about selling, not speech). It sounds like Twitter&#039;s legal dept. is trying to prevent a lawsuit. Is that the right thing to do? Not to me. If Twitter was actively involved in what content was posted, if they moderated everything (kind of like Reddit, but that is a different beast), then I could understand them banning a user. But they are really just a platform and completely separate from the content. 

When it comes down to it, I agree with JohnP. If it&#039;s technically legal, then legally we can&#039;t stop you, but we can exercise the same rights as them to name the people involved and express our disapproval. Michael Brustsch is the latest one, but I think David Duke is the best example. Sure, he has the right to be a neo-nazi scumbag, just like we have the right to call him the face of hatred and racism. Governments can ban him from entering the country, like the Czech Republic did, but if he had been let in and allowed to tell everyone there that he doesn&#039;t believe in the Holocaust, they would have found out first hand what an idiot he is and cast him out anyway. When you&#039;ve only heard rumors about an issue, it&#039;s trivialized. But when people like this are in your face, the issues become real and serious and you can&#039;t ignore it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only reason I would cut Twitter a little slack at the moment is because I&#8217;m not clear on what exactly the German law says. I remember Yahoo got into a mess with the French government over their laws on Nazi paraphernalia (although I think that was about selling, not speech). It sounds like Twitter&#8217;s legal dept. is trying to prevent a lawsuit. Is that the right thing to do? Not to me. If Twitter was actively involved in what content was posted, if they moderated everything (kind of like Reddit, but that is a different beast), then I could understand them banning a user. But they are really just a platform and completely separate from the content. </p>
<p>When it comes down to it, I agree with JohnP. If it&#8217;s technically legal, then legally we can&#8217;t stop you, but we can exercise the same rights as them to name the people involved and express our disapproval. Michael Brustsch is the latest one, but I think David Duke is the best example. Sure, he has the right to be a neo-nazi scumbag, just like we have the right to call him the face of hatred and racism. Governments can ban him from entering the country, like the Czech Republic did, but if he had been let in and allowed to tell everyone there that he doesn&#8217;t believe in the Holocaust, they would have found out first hand what an idiot he is and cast him out anyway. When you&#8217;ve only heard rumors about an issue, it&#8217;s trivialized. But when people like this are in your face, the issues become real and serious and you can&#8217;t ignore it.</p>
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		<title>By: Nobody Special</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2012/10/18/twitter-reddit-and-the-battle-over-freedom-of-speech/#comment-1091675</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nobody Special]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2012 18:40:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m totally with you on the issue of freedom of speech, but I lost you at this idea that freedom of speech means freedom from accountability of your speech. 

Heaven forbid people be held accountable for the things they say. This idea that &quot;the internet is containment&quot; is purely appeasement and is actually horrible counter to the idea of freedom of speech. Remember, the concept of free speech is ONLY that speech should not be limited by governments and people with the power to suppress it. You don&#039;t get to choose who&#039;s speech is free - the pedophile&#039;s speech or the journalist&#039;s speech outing the pedophile.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m totally with you on the issue of freedom of speech, but I lost you at this idea that freedom of speech means freedom from accountability of your speech. </p>
<p>Heaven forbid people be held accountable for the things they say. This idea that &#8220;the internet is containment&#8221; is purely appeasement and is actually horrible counter to the idea of freedom of speech. Remember, the concept of free speech is ONLY that speech should not be limited by governments and people with the power to suppress it. You don&#8217;t get to choose who&#8217;s speech is free &#8211; the pedophile&#8217;s speech or the journalist&#8217;s speech outing the pedophile.</p>
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		<title>By: Nobody Special</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2012/10/18/twitter-reddit-and-the-battle-over-freedom-of-speech/#comment-1091658</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nobody Special]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2012 18:36:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Absolutely well said.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolutely well said.</p>
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