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	<title>Comments on: Nokia&#8217;s Elop: We can do things with Windows Phone that Microsoft can&#8217;t</title>
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		<title>By: iscogd</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2012/10/02/nokias-elop-we-can-do-things-with-windows-phone-that-microsoft-cant/#comment-1049615</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[iscogd]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Oct 2012 16:02:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Question to Kevin; Do you think that fact that people didn&#039;t like Microsoft Mobile tiles is sign to Windows 8, that maybe people will not like it too?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Question to Kevin; Do you think that fact that people didn&#8217;t like Microsoft Mobile tiles is sign to Windows 8, that maybe people will not like it too?</p>
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		<title>By: silverGold</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2012/10/02/nokias-elop-we-can-do-things-with-windows-phone-that-microsoft-cant/#comment-1048059</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[silverGold]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2012 20:43:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What nokia and microsoft need to learn is that to compete with iphone and win you need to INOVATE something diferent to iphone that is eye catching, has quality and works better. Stop the squared  phone structure. Get out of that paradigm of thinking. This is why i think SONY lost the music battle over ipods. The touch technology was there already and hard drive storage but NOBODY risked to make it portable. We used cds and cassettes for years!. Everybody just follow and thats why you can not become the leader. It costs a lot of money to create? to be imaginative?  I was sad when i saw the lumina structure: ipod like but uglier. A clone on shape and interface big icons... what kind of people do the designs? thats why apple is wining... implementing efectively, a good product worth to buy and you are happy with it, so nobody can come and say : hey my phone is better than yours!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What nokia and microsoft need to learn is that to compete with iphone and win you need to INOVATE something diferent to iphone that is eye catching, has quality and works better. Stop the squared  phone structure. Get out of that paradigm of thinking. This is why i think SONY lost the music battle over ipods. The touch technology was there already and hard drive storage but NOBODY risked to make it portable. We used cds and cassettes for years!. Everybody just follow and thats why you can not become the leader. It costs a lot of money to create? to be imaginative?  I was sad when i saw the lumina structure: ipod like but uglier. A clone on shape and interface big icons&#8230; what kind of people do the designs? thats why apple is wining&#8230; implementing efectively, a good product worth to buy and you are happy with it, so nobody can come and say : hey my phone is better than yours!!</p>
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		<title>By: underdog</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2012/10/02/nokias-elop-we-can-do-things-with-windows-phone-that-microsoft-cant/#comment-1038733</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[underdog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2012 19:24:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Windows 8 is the reboot for MSFT. One new user interface across phone tablet, gaming and PC devices. New software to leverage the new UI. There will be a lot of loose ends and SP1 will come out quickly.

That&#039;s the bet, and always has been. Windows Phone 8 is going to get a lot of visibility because the UI is a common experience that everyone will interact with to some degree on another device.

The phone cycle is a two year cycle, based on contracts. 

To all the folks suggesting Android is the answer, consider this: only Samsung seem to have made it a profitable business for themselves. Not HTC. Not Motorola. Not LG. Possible Sony. Android is not a sure bet either.

As has been shown, most people buy the phone they are guided to by the store employee. If a customer asks for an iPhone they&#039;ll be shown one. But carriers have actively requested their employees to steer customers to iPhone alternatives because the subsidy costs kill carrier profitability.

In conversations with many Android users about this, it seems their driving desire to see Nokia build an Android phone is they love what they see coming from Nokia and don&#039;t like their current available Android choices.  That&#039;s a positive thing for Nokia. Anytime I show my Lumia 900 to these same Android phone users they are surprised: &quot;wow, that&#039;s really nice. That&#039;s not what I expected. I like it.&quot; are typical comments.

Try it. If you like it, buy it.

Nokia are making a platform bet on Windows 8 ecosystem. Their goal is to be the Apple of Windows. They seem to be making all the right moves so far.

Now, as has been correctly pointed out, it comes to pricing, promotion, and distribution. They need to get those right too. It&#039;s too early to tell one way or another if they will.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Windows 8 is the reboot for MSFT. One new user interface across phone tablet, gaming and PC devices. New software to leverage the new UI. There will be a lot of loose ends and SP1 will come out quickly.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the bet, and always has been. Windows Phone 8 is going to get a lot of visibility because the UI is a common experience that everyone will interact with to some degree on another device.</p>
<p>The phone cycle is a two year cycle, based on contracts. </p>
<p>To all the folks suggesting Android is the answer, consider this: only Samsung seem to have made it a profitable business for themselves. Not HTC. Not Motorola. Not LG. Possible Sony. Android is not a sure bet either.</p>
<p>As has been shown, most people buy the phone they are guided to by the store employee. If a customer asks for an iPhone they&#8217;ll be shown one. But carriers have actively requested their employees to steer customers to iPhone alternatives because the subsidy costs kill carrier profitability.</p>
<p>In conversations with many Android users about this, it seems their driving desire to see Nokia build an Android phone is they love what they see coming from Nokia and don&#8217;t like their current available Android choices.  That&#8217;s a positive thing for Nokia. Anytime I show my Lumia 900 to these same Android phone users they are surprised: &#8220;wow, that&#8217;s really nice. That&#8217;s not what I expected. I like it.&#8221; are typical comments.</p>
<p>Try it. If you like it, buy it.</p>
<p>Nokia are making a platform bet on Windows 8 ecosystem. Their goal is to be the Apple of Windows. They seem to be making all the right moves so far.</p>
<p>Now, as has been correctly pointed out, it comes to pricing, promotion, and distribution. They need to get those right too. It&#8217;s too early to tell one way or another if they will.</p>
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		<title>By: underdog</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2012/10/02/nokias-elop-we-can-do-things-with-windows-phone-that-microsoft-cant/#comment-1038659</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[underdog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2012 19:03:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Selling a building and leasing it back is common practice.  It&#039;s not a big deal, and leverages an asset&#039;s value. 

They would be stupid not to do it. I&#039;m surprised it wasn&#039;t already done.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Selling a building and leasing it back is common practice.  It&#8217;s not a big deal, and leverages an asset&#8217;s value. </p>
<p>They would be stupid not to do it. I&#8217;m surprised it wasn&#8217;t already done.</p>
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		<title>By: LeeKelly</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2012/10/02/nokias-elop-we-can-do-things-with-windows-phone-that-microsoft-cant/#comment-1038254</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LeeKelly]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2012 17:14:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I presume he means dump it and stop wasting time. WP + NOKIA = Disaster]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I presume he means dump it and stop wasting time. WP + NOKIA = Disaster</p>
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		<title>By: cool8man</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2012/10/02/nokias-elop-we-can-do-things-with-windows-phone-that-microsoft-cant/#comment-1038088</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[cool8man]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2012 16:30:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Windows Phone is increasing in market share worldwide. The USA does not equal the world by a long shot. iPhone and Blackberry are losing market share all over the world while Windows Phone and Android are growing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Windows Phone is increasing in market share worldwide. The USA does not equal the world by a long shot. iPhone and Blackberry are losing market share all over the world while Windows Phone and Android are growing.</p>
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		<title>By: cool8man</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2012/10/02/nokias-elop-we-can-do-things-with-windows-phone-that-microsoft-cant/#comment-1038057</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[cool8man]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2012 16:23:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[They got Nicki Minaj for the Lumia 900.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They got Nicki Minaj for the Lumia 900.</p>
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		<title>By: Nicholas Paredes</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2012/10/02/nokias-elop-we-can-do-things-with-windows-phone-that-microsoft-cant/#comment-1037725</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nicholas Paredes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2012 14:59:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We all wonder why Nokia let go of MeeGo. Frankly it was a fantastic open platform, and could be differentiated from Android. Even as a side project, it provided a platform to innovate openly, and there were plenty of us interested in the technology. Nokia wouldn’t have had to do all of the work, and didn’t anyway.

I am unsure how Nokia could survive the onslaught of the iPhone and Android, other than to have actively fought in multiple platforms and investing heavily in product as Samsung did. Nokia laughed in the face of competition, and were badly bitten. With bad numbers ahead, investment is likely to be cut further.

Nokia Maps is at least a solid product. Windows Phone itself is decreasing in market share. This is a very bad sign for the platform after a year. Microsoft is simply trying to save its investment, and Nokia isn’t high on its list of priorities. They’ll buy them for the maps and services.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We all wonder why Nokia let go of MeeGo. Frankly it was a fantastic open platform, and could be differentiated from Android. Even as a side project, it provided a platform to innovate openly, and there were plenty of us interested in the technology. Nokia wouldn’t have had to do all of the work, and didn’t anyway.</p>
<p>I am unsure how Nokia could survive the onslaught of the iPhone and Android, other than to have actively fought in multiple platforms and investing heavily in product as Samsung did. Nokia laughed in the face of competition, and were badly bitten. With bad numbers ahead, investment is likely to be cut further.</p>
<p>Nokia Maps is at least a solid product. Windows Phone itself is decreasing in market share. This is a very bad sign for the platform after a year. Microsoft is simply trying to save its investment, and Nokia isn’t high on its list of priorities. They’ll buy them for the maps and services.</p>
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		<title>By: Stefano Leva</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2012/10/02/nokias-elop-we-can-do-things-with-windows-phone-that-microsoft-cant/#comment-1037081</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stefano Leva]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2012 11:57:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[At the end Nokia is going to license Sailfish OS from Jolla, and possibly buy (back) the company..]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At the end Nokia is going to license Sailfish OS from Jolla, and possibly buy (back) the company..</p>
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		<title>By: PhilH</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2012/10/02/nokias-elop-we-can-do-things-with-windows-phone-that-microsoft-cant/#comment-1036670</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[PhilH]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2012 10:01:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This could have been avoided by simply going with Android. Right now Nokia is stuck with a leader that&#039;s crossed between a MS loyalist and a tech bubble fanboy. 

Fanboys still think Apple is running the show here while 68% of consumers, the people with the money, are telling you that Android runs the show. Only an Apple fanboy will argue with that number or start that crap about multiple devices blah blah. But the truth remains that if you want your phone to sell it better have Android on it.

Then there&#039;s the fanboyish idea that Nokia released a true answer to the iPhone. In what way? What is that even supposes to mean? In the consumer world, again the people with the money, nothing. Nevermind that the only mainstream device even remotely mimicking the iPhone has been the Galaxy S. For all those so called mocks you&#039;d think people would stop and purchase the cheaper iPhone 4 or 4s and get the real thing. But they pass right by it and buy the &quot;clone&quot; for more money. That&#039;s because the only place these devices are seen as clones are in the minds of fanboys.

As long as this fanboy mentality is guiding Nokia they are doomed no matter how great their hardware is. It does nothing for you without an OS to run it and the people have shown time and time again their OS of choice. I leave it right there and allow the fanboys to prove my point.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This could have been avoided by simply going with Android. Right now Nokia is stuck with a leader that&#8217;s crossed between a MS loyalist and a tech bubble fanboy. </p>
<p>Fanboys still think Apple is running the show here while 68% of consumers, the people with the money, are telling you that Android runs the show. Only an Apple fanboy will argue with that number or start that crap about multiple devices blah blah. But the truth remains that if you want your phone to sell it better have Android on it.</p>
<p>Then there&#8217;s the fanboyish idea that Nokia released a true answer to the iPhone. In what way? What is that even supposes to mean? In the consumer world, again the people with the money, nothing. Nevermind that the only mainstream device even remotely mimicking the iPhone has been the Galaxy S. For all those so called mocks you&#8217;d think people would stop and purchase the cheaper iPhone 4 or 4s and get the real thing. But they pass right by it and buy the &#8220;clone&#8221; for more money. That&#8217;s because the only place these devices are seen as clones are in the minds of fanboys.</p>
<p>As long as this fanboy mentality is guiding Nokia they are doomed no matter how great their hardware is. It does nothing for you without an OS to run it and the people have shown time and time again their OS of choice. I leave it right there and allow the fanboys to prove my point.</p>
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