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	<title>Comments on: Why winning in OpenStack means knowing your buyers (and your code)</title>
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		<title>By: Keith Townsend</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2012/09/08/why-winning-in-openstack-means-knowing-your-buyers-and-your-code/#comment-990179</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Keith Townsend]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2012 21:01:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree that their is value in having multiple Hypervisors in the data center.  The question is why wait on OpenStack to be ready for enterprise level deployment and management of my cloud stack.  It seems I have other options that are here today including RightScale for a complete solution.  I don&#039;t see the problem that Openstack is solving for me that I can&#039;t already get a more mature solution.  

I understand the need for openstack for providers so that they can compete against the scale of Amazon but I don&#039;t see a compelling reason for me to become an early adopter for Openstack in the enterprise DC.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that their is value in having multiple Hypervisors in the data center.  The question is why wait on OpenStack to be ready for enterprise level deployment and management of my cloud stack.  It seems I have other options that are here today including RightScale for a complete solution.  I don&#8217;t see the problem that Openstack is solving for me that I can&#8217;t already get a more mature solution.  </p>
<p>I understand the need for openstack for providers so that they can compete against the scale of Amazon but I don&#8217;t see a compelling reason for me to become an early adopter for Openstack in the enterprise DC.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Cline</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ken Cline]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2012 19:02:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great question, Keith ... I&#039;ll give you my take.

It all boils down to value. If you&#039;re a relatively small shop, then you&#039;re not going to have enough scale to really see value from having a diversity of infrastructure. If, on the other hand, you&#039;re truly an &quot;enterprise&quot; player, then you may well benefit from having two - or more - hypervisors in your environment.

The important thing to understand about OpenStack is that it doesn&#039;t _replace_ your VMware or Microsoft infrastructure, it _manages_ them. You gain the ability to deploy the hypervisor that meets your SLA at the best possible cost. This means that you could use VMware to provide your &quot;Platinum&quot; or &quot;Gold&quot; level SLA capabilities (where you could significantly benefit from some of the advanced management features they offer), and then use Microsoft, KVM, or Xen for your &quot;Silver&quot; and &quot;Bronze&quot; SLAs. Not that these hypervisors are any less capable than VMware, just that you can typically deploy them for a lower cost than you can VMware. 

Even though you could potentially be running multiple hypervisors, you&#039;re not going to incur &quot;significant&quot; additional management overhead because each of these will be managed via the OpenStack (or Eucalyptus / CloudStack / whatever - even DynamicOps if you want to stick with VMware) cloud management layer. 

When you step back from the data center, it&#039;s effectively providing a layer of abstraction between your hypervisors and your consumers - in much the same way that the hypervisor abstracts the hardware. You gain the same benefits, just at a higher level in the stack.

Honestly, in many respects, I see IaaS as a better way of doing what IT has been doing for years. Where I really get excited is with PaaS. That&#039;s where you have the potential to radically transform the way that IT delivers value to the business (and isn&#039;t that why IT exists in the first place?). Admittedly, you need to re-architect and re-develop most of your applications to take advantage of the capabilities of PaaS, but isn&#039;t that something that your organization does on an ongoing basis, anyway?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great question, Keith &#8230; I&#8217;ll give you my take.</p>
<p>It all boils down to value. If you&#8217;re a relatively small shop, then you&#8217;re not going to have enough scale to really see value from having a diversity of infrastructure. If, on the other hand, you&#8217;re truly an &#8220;enterprise&#8221; player, then you may well benefit from having two &#8211; or more &#8211; hypervisors in your environment.</p>
<p>The important thing to understand about OpenStack is that it doesn&#8217;t _replace_ your VMware or Microsoft infrastructure, it _manages_ them. You gain the ability to deploy the hypervisor that meets your SLA at the best possible cost. This means that you could use VMware to provide your &#8220;Platinum&#8221; or &#8220;Gold&#8221; level SLA capabilities (where you could significantly benefit from some of the advanced management features they offer), and then use Microsoft, KVM, or Xen for your &#8220;Silver&#8221; and &#8220;Bronze&#8221; SLAs. Not that these hypervisors are any less capable than VMware, just that you can typically deploy them for a lower cost than you can VMware. </p>
<p>Even though you could potentially be running multiple hypervisors, you&#8217;re not going to incur &#8220;significant&#8221; additional management overhead because each of these will be managed via the OpenStack (or Eucalyptus / CloudStack / whatever &#8211; even DynamicOps if you want to stick with VMware) cloud management layer. </p>
<p>When you step back from the data center, it&#8217;s effectively providing a layer of abstraction between your hypervisors and your consumers &#8211; in much the same way that the hypervisor abstracts the hardware. You gain the same benefits, just at a higher level in the stack.</p>
<p>Honestly, in many respects, I see IaaS as a better way of doing what IT has been doing for years. Where I really get excited is with PaaS. That&#8217;s where you have the potential to radically transform the way that IT delivers value to the business (and isn&#8217;t that why IT exists in the first place?). Admittedly, you need to re-architect and re-develop most of your applications to take advantage of the capabilities of PaaS, but isn&#8217;t that something that your organization does on an ongoing basis, anyway?</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Loving</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2012/09/08/why-winning-in-openstack-means-knowing-your-buyers-and-your-code/#comment-985284</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steven Loving]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2012 02:23:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Metacloud, Inc.  OpenStack production clients (F100, SaaS, and hosting), Operational SLAs, 30 days to scaleable production, world class cloud engineers and operators.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Metacloud, Inc.  OpenStack production clients (F100, SaaS, and hosting), Operational SLAs, 30 days to scaleable production, world class cloud engineers and operators.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason TEPOORTEN</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2012/09/08/why-winning-in-openstack-means-knowing-your-buyers-and-your-code/#comment-985247</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jason TEPOORTEN]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2012 01:10:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is something I&#039;ll keep an eye on.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is something I&#8217;ll keep an eye on.</p>
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		<title>By: brenski</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2012/09/08/why-winning-in-openstack-means-knowing-your-buyers-and-your-code/#comment-984956</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[brenski]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Sep 2012 17:55:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good analysis and thanks for Mirantis mention. I&#039;ve done a fair amount of OpenStack market analysis also. You may find this ecosystem slide interesting - http://www.slideshare.net/mirantis/apac-conference-presentationedfinal2/24. And here is a written analysis I posted a while ago... http://www.mirantis.com/blog/how-to-monetize-the-openstack-wave/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good analysis and thanks for Mirantis mention. I&#8217;ve done a fair amount of OpenStack market analysis also. You may find this ecosystem slide interesting &#8211; <a href="http://www.slideshare.net/mirantis/apac-conference-presentationedfinal2/24" rel="nofollow">http://www.slideshare.net/mirantis/apac-conference-presentationedfinal2/24</a>. And here is a written analysis I posted a while ago&#8230; <a href="http://www.mirantis.com/blog/how-to-monetize-the-openstack-wave/" rel="nofollow">http://www.mirantis.com/blog/how-to-monetize-the-openstack-wave/</a></p>
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		<title>By: joearnold</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2012/09/08/why-winning-in-openstack-means-knowing-your-buyers-and-your-code/#comment-984466</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[joearnold]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Sep 2012 04:52:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great perspectives on the ecosystem.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great perspectives on the ecosystem.</p>
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		<title>By: Keith Townsend</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2012/09/08/why-winning-in-openstack-means-knowing-your-buyers-and-your-code/#comment-984178</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Keith Townsend]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Sep 2012 20:50:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;d like to see an article about how I as an enterprise data center decision maker should care about OpenStack.  If I have 70% of my workloads virtualized on VMware or Hyper-V why am I looking to make such a large shift in technology for my cloud stack?  

All of my existing virtualization tools are based on one of these two management stacks.  When I train my staff for cloud why switch platforms as I migrate services?  If I cared about lock in then 70% of my workloads wouldn&#039;t already be on one vendors solutions.

What am I missing? Is my view of the world just too small?  Is the enterprise market that wide open?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to see an article about how I as an enterprise data center decision maker should care about OpenStack.  If I have 70% of my workloads virtualized on VMware or Hyper-V why am I looking to make such a large shift in technology for my cloud stack?  </p>
<p>All of my existing virtualization tools are based on one of these two management stacks.  When I train my staff for cloud why switch platforms as I migrate services?  If I cared about lock in then 70% of my workloads wouldn&#8217;t already be on one vendors solutions.</p>
<p>What am I missing? Is my view of the world just too small?  Is the enterprise market that wide open?</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Haughwout</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2012/09/08/why-winning-in-openstack-means-knowing-your-buyers-and-your-code/#comment-984112</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jim Haughwout]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Sep 2012 19:37:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I just wish OpenStack was less bloated. I recently ran a test of OpenStack Private Cloud vs. home-built (KVM) vs. AWS VPC. OpenStack required 16x the resources of KVM and more resources than an XL-sized AWS EC2 instance.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just wish OpenStack was less bloated. I recently ran a test of OpenStack Private Cloud vs. home-built (KVM) vs. AWS VPC. OpenStack required 16x the resources of KVM and more resources than an XL-sized AWS EC2 instance.</p>
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