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	<title>Comments on: Ting isn&#8217;t just supporting Sprint phones, it&#8217;s hinting at a much freer device market</title>
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		<title>By: Brandon</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brandon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2012 14:32:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One big advantage of Ting over Virgin or Boost (both on the Sprint network) is free voice roaming in my opinion. Sprints coverage is very weak in rural areas across the midwest.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One big advantage of Ting over Virgin or Boost (both on the Sprint network) is free voice roaming in my opinion. Sprints coverage is very weak in rural areas across the midwest.</p>
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		<title>By: ssj4Gogeta</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2012 18:42:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In my country India, ALL the GSM carriers use the same frequencies (1900/2100 MHz). Also, you pretty much HAVE to buy unlocked off-contract phones, because hardly any carrier subsidizes phones. This creates a very open market - I can use multiple SIMs and use them as needed. I use prepaid, so I can switch carriers whenever I wish. Carriers have even more incentive to continue to provide cheap, better services because anyone can switch whenever they feel like.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my country India, ALL the GSM carriers use the same frequencies (1900/2100 MHz). Also, you pretty much HAVE to buy unlocked off-contract phones, because hardly any carrier subsidizes phones. This creates a very open market &#8211; I can use multiple SIMs and use them as needed. I use prepaid, so I can switch carriers whenever I wish. Carriers have even more incentive to continue to provide cheap, better services because anyone can switch whenever they feel like.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Wright</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dave Wright]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2012 14:55:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kevin, good story on Ting.  As far as promoting the BYOD/BYOP model, I was surprised that you didn&#039;t mention StraightTalk.  They&#039;ve been offering a SIM-only BYOP plan since early 2011.  Many folks are using it with unlocked or out-of-contract AT&amp;T iPhones as well as all kinds of Android handsets.  

I&#039;m glad Ting is heading this way, but ST has been doing it for a while.  It does make you wonder whether ATT and VZW will eventually close the door on MVNOs like this if they gain too much share.  I&#039;d keep an eye on America Movil, I suspect they won&#039;t be satisfied as just an MVNO.  Next possible bidder on T-Mo?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin, good story on Ting.  As far as promoting the BYOD/BYOP model, I was surprised that you didn&#8217;t mention StraightTalk.  They&#8217;ve been offering a SIM-only BYOP plan since early 2011.  Many folks are using it with unlocked or out-of-contract AT&amp;T iPhones as well as all kinds of Android handsets.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad Ting is heading this way, but ST has been doing it for a while.  It does make you wonder whether ATT and VZW will eventually close the door on MVNOs like this if they gain too much share.  I&#8217;d keep an eye on America Movil, I suspect they won&#8217;t be satisfied as just an MVNO.  Next possible bidder on T-Mo?</p>
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		<title>By: Tsahi Levent-Levi</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tsahi Levent-Levi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Aug 2012 08:41:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[MVNOs are definitely going to be interesting in 2013.
While Ting is innovating on price plans others are innovating by offering added value services not related directly to voice, SMS and data: blogs.amdocs.com/voices/2012/06/04/what-do-i-want-for-my-22nd-birthday-my-own-mvno-please/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MVNOs are definitely going to be interesting in 2013.<br />
While Ting is innovating on price plans others are innovating by offering added value services not related directly to voice, SMS and data: blogs.amdocs.com/voices/2012/06/04/what-do-i-want-for-my-22nd-birthday-my-own-mvno-please/</p>
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		<title>By: ARJWright</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ARJWright]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Aug 2012 01:25:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I get this, but, let me throw something out there. I own a penta-band GSM mobile made by Nokia. My choice for network is any GSM provider, pre- and post-paid. Given the latest FCC report on coverage, that nails me in pretty good places for just about anything except LTE (my mobile does HSPA/3.5G on every GSM frequency). To that end, I have choice.

In similar, I could play with any of VZW&#039;s world phones, and given some hackery, have it work on just about any provider. 

I get the issue. But, the problem isn&#039;t so much that carriers won&#039;t move, it&#039;s that we as techies aren&#039;t making the right call for what to put in front of folks as the best solution. If choice is the best approach, our recommendations and use cases should fall in that vein, not necessarily in the vein of making something popular.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I get this, but, let me throw something out there. I own a penta-band GSM mobile made by Nokia. My choice for network is any GSM provider, pre- and post-paid. Given the latest FCC report on coverage, that nails me in pretty good places for just about anything except LTE (my mobile does HSPA/3.5G on every GSM frequency). To that end, I have choice.</p>
<p>In similar, I could play with any of VZW&#8217;s world phones, and given some hackery, have it work on just about any provider. </p>
<p>I get the issue. But, the problem isn&#8217;t so much that carriers won&#8217;t move, it&#8217;s that we as techies aren&#8217;t making the right call for what to put in front of folks as the best solution. If choice is the best approach, our recommendations and use cases should fall in that vein, not necessarily in the vein of making something popular.</p>
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		<title>By: Karl</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Karl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2012 21:56:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I believe the HTC Trophy (Verizon) was advertised as a Quad Band phone for global use. So that could be another phone they might use.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe the HTC Trophy (Verizon) was advertised as a Quad Band phone for global use. So that could be another phone they might use.</p>
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		<title>By: nurlip</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[nurlip]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2012 19:54:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t think this company has any mainstream appeal and it doesn&#039;t really offer &#039;carrier&#039; freedom at all.  You still have to use Sprint&#039;s network, granted your not bogged down by a contract, but their rates are aligned with other carrier&#039;s &#039;no contract&#039; data rates and are not a good deal at all.  Sure, 3000 of anything seems like a lot but that&#039;s less than 3GB for $60/month, that&#039;s not much different from Verizon or Sprint.  So what&#039;s the point?  

The only appeal i can see is for a minority of people who anally monitor their data/voice usage each month and also use very little of either service.  

That said, the only Data option that seems worth while is the $3 option b/c, well, its $3.. and perfect for anyone who checks email once or twice a week.  The fact that the price goes up by over 400% for 400MB more is ridiculous (but again, also in line with current carrier data rates).  To me, this seems like another communications company doing the same thing as the other carriers but allowing more flexibility with the plans mixing plan details.

The problem is, since the FCC has no power over wireless to enforce net neutrality, aka &#039;dumb pipes&#039;, this service will be quashed within a few years as the carriers continue to expand their power over their customers and the government.  Or at the very least, it will never be able to expand beyond Sprint&#039;s network..]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think this company has any mainstream appeal and it doesn&#8217;t really offer &#8216;carrier&#8217; freedom at all.  You still have to use Sprint&#8217;s network, granted your not bogged down by a contract, but their rates are aligned with other carrier&#8217;s &#8216;no contract&#8217; data rates and are not a good deal at all.  Sure, 3000 of anything seems like a lot but that&#8217;s less than 3GB for $60/month, that&#8217;s not much different from Verizon or Sprint.  So what&#8217;s the point?  </p>
<p>The only appeal i can see is for a minority of people who anally monitor their data/voice usage each month and also use very little of either service.  </p>
<p>That said, the only Data option that seems worth while is the $3 option b/c, well, its $3.. and perfect for anyone who checks email once or twice a week.  The fact that the price goes up by over 400% for 400MB more is ridiculous (but again, also in line with current carrier data rates).  To me, this seems like another communications company doing the same thing as the other carriers but allowing more flexibility with the plans mixing plan details.</p>
<p>The problem is, since the FCC has no power over wireless to enforce net neutrality, aka &#8216;dumb pipes&#8217;, this service will be quashed within a few years as the carriers continue to expand their power over their customers and the government.  Or at the very least, it will never be able to expand beyond Sprint&#8217;s network..</p>
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		<title>By: keninca</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[keninca]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2012 19:53:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kevin, your point about shareholders not liking that approach is true, but they need management willing to take that chance - they would probably get a couple years to prove it, and they should be able to succeed in that time frame.

I&#039;m not holding my breath, though.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin, your point about shareholders not liking that approach is true, but they need management willing to take that chance &#8211; they would probably get a couple years to prove it, and they should be able to succeed in that time frame.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not holding my breath, though.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin C. Tofel</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kevin C. Tofel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2012 19:40:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great points, but my thought is: If they wanted to do so, they would have already tried to do so. Even with LTE they&#039;re going with a silo approach because they&#039;re raking in billions under the current model. Selling the idea of &quot;let&#039;s compete solely on performance and service&quot; wouldn&#039;t likely sit well with shareholders; at least I don&#039;t think so, given the current revenue streams.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great points, but my thought is: If they wanted to do so, they would have already tried to do so. Even with LTE they&#8217;re going with a silo approach because they&#8217;re raking in billions under the current model. Selling the idea of &#8220;let&#8217;s compete solely on performance and service&#8221; wouldn&#8217;t likely sit well with shareholders; at least I don&#8217;t think so, given the current revenue streams.</p>
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		<title>By: keninca</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[keninca]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2012 19:29:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;None of the big four U.S. carriers have any incentive to push an agenda of “buy one phone and use it on the network of your choice”.&quot;

I disagree.  If a carrier chose to compete based on the performance and service they delivered, they could be more profitable than they are with their current exclusivity-driven model.  If they had a plan to totally satisfy the customer, instead of playing gotcha with fine print and kafkaesque service plans, they would draw customers like honey draws flies (and people).  

The management philosophy that pervades the communications service industry (and most others) relies on stifling competition, minimizing value and maximizing revenue, with no concern about customer happiness.  Apple has proven that happy customers create monster profits, and almost any other company that sells to consumers can replicate some of that success by focusing on what makes people happy, rather than how to extract every nickel they can from them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;None of the big four U.S. carriers have any incentive to push an agenda of “buy one phone and use it on the network of your choice”.&#8221;</p>
<p>I disagree.  If a carrier chose to compete based on the performance and service they delivered, they could be more profitable than they are with their current exclusivity-driven model.  If they had a plan to totally satisfy the customer, instead of playing gotcha with fine print and kafkaesque service plans, they would draw customers like honey draws flies (and people).  </p>
<p>The management philosophy that pervades the communications service industry (and most others) relies on stifling competition, minimizing value and maximizing revenue, with no concern about customer happiness.  Apple has proven that happy customers create monster profits, and almost any other company that sells to consumers can replicate some of that success by focusing on what makes people happy, rather than how to extract every nickel they can from them.</p>
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