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	<title>Comments on: Fred Wilson: what crowdfunding means for the VC business</title>
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		<title>By: Cyril Demaria</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2012/05/08/fred-wilson-what-crowdfunding-means-for-the-vc-business/#comment-841101</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cyril Demaria]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2012 16:02:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Strange logic...

So, &quot;... venture capitalists have only been able to figure out how to generate good returns on half of it.&quot; These are professional, full-time, experienced people and they failed 50% of the time to make money (which is not so bad, actually, as statistically, in a portfolio, it&#039;s more 20 to 30% of investments making money and the rest, not). And now, Mr &amp; Mrs Smith who barely understand what is the stock exchange, what is  a mortgage (otherwise, there would not have been a sub-prime mortgage bubble), or a bank statement, will be able to make money out of start-ups? That&#039;s quite strange. Maybe Mr &amp; Mrs Smith should also do their own surgery, because after all, they do not need these surgeons, who (by the way) sometimes fail to cure their patients?

So excessive cash available is good for entrepreneurs? Since when? When does the principle of lean start-ups and cash-starved business pushing everyone to be the most efficient possible stopped to apply? Does it sound 1999 or 2000 again? Or is any entrepreneur fool enough to believe that it&#039;s only about money? 

I happen to have invested as a professional VC in a previously crowdfunded company. What a chaos! Nobody was really seating at the Board, doing the job of a professional investor: questioning, advising, challenging, bringing contacts and networks and basically adding value. The shareholder&#039;s agreement was a mess and guess what? It was impossible to renegotiate as it was signed by xxx shareholders who could not give a damn about it to amend it! Good luck with that! (we had to go sign loads of side letters with the founders to basically recreate a small round with them only).

Finally, the problem of entrepreneurship financing is not that VCs are stupid, or entrepeneurs are greedy, or anything close to that... It&#039;s that there is too much money for a given number of quality opportunities per year. Valuations are regularly too high, entrepreneurs regularly raise too much money and the result is depressed returns.

So crowdfunding is just the sign of yet another bubble which, by the way, will probably as soon as it burst keep the masses away from VC, start-ups and everything close to that for one or two generations.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Strange logic&#8230;</p>
<p>So, &#8220;&#8230; venture capitalists have only been able to figure out how to generate good returns on half of it.&#8221; These are professional, full-time, experienced people and they failed 50% of the time to make money (which is not so bad, actually, as statistically, in a portfolio, it&#8217;s more 20 to 30% of investments making money and the rest, not). And now, Mr &amp; Mrs Smith who barely understand what is the stock exchange, what is  a mortgage (otherwise, there would not have been a sub-prime mortgage bubble), or a bank statement, will be able to make money out of start-ups? That&#8217;s quite strange. Maybe Mr &amp; Mrs Smith should also do their own surgery, because after all, they do not need these surgeons, who (by the way) sometimes fail to cure their patients?</p>
<p>So excessive cash available is good for entrepreneurs? Since when? When does the principle of lean start-ups and cash-starved business pushing everyone to be the most efficient possible stopped to apply? Does it sound 1999 or 2000 again? Or is any entrepreneur fool enough to believe that it&#8217;s only about money? </p>
<p>I happen to have invested as a professional VC in a previously crowdfunded company. What a chaos! Nobody was really seating at the Board, doing the job of a professional investor: questioning, advising, challenging, bringing contacts and networks and basically adding value. The shareholder&#8217;s agreement was a mess and guess what? It was impossible to renegotiate as it was signed by xxx shareholders who could not give a damn about it to amend it! Good luck with that! (we had to go sign loads of side letters with the founders to basically recreate a small round with them only).</p>
<p>Finally, the problem of entrepreneurship financing is not that VCs are stupid, or entrepeneurs are greedy, or anything close to that&#8230; It&#8217;s that there is too much money for a given number of quality opportunities per year. Valuations are regularly too high, entrepreneurs regularly raise too much money and the result is depressed returns.</p>
<p>So crowdfunding is just the sign of yet another bubble which, by the way, will probably as soon as it burst keep the masses away from VC, start-ups and everything close to that for one or two generations.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Frykman</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2012/05/08/fred-wilson-what-crowdfunding-means-for-the-vc-business/#comment-840352</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Peter Frykman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2012 14:22:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sasa, 

It&#039;s a great point that individuals &quot;investing&quot; $100 or less have a different risk tolerance than VC&#039;s.  But even more important is that individuals may have entirely different set of goals than VC&#039;s with their investment.  You point this out briefly and I&#039;d like to take it further.

Not every organization or initiative is a VC-fundable enterprise, especially at inception.  A crowdfunded organization may create different value beyond simply the prospective financial return required by VC&#039;s.

As the Founder and CEO of a for-profit social enterprise focused on rural small-holder farmers (www.driptech.com), I know that there are investors who value social impact in addition to financial impact.  This is often easier for individual investors, who don&#039;t have an explicit profit-maximizing investment mandate like VC&#039;s.  Much of our early funding came from such individual &quot;Angel&quot; social investors.  Now our investors include both Vinod Khosla and a publicly-listed corporation.  Crowdfunding can take early-stage social impact investing one step further.

The most exciting thing about crowdfunding is the opportunity that it presents to individuals to invest directly according to their personal interests and motivations, which could be a combination of profit, social impact, or something else.  This specific, personal involvement is one of the reasons that Kiva.org has attracted so many individual lenders in the microfinance space.  Now anyone can be personally connected to the excitement of a startup, even if they only have a few hundred dollars to invest.  

Peter]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sasa, </p>
<p>It&#8217;s a great point that individuals &#8220;investing&#8221; $100 or less have a different risk tolerance than VC&#8217;s.  But even more important is that individuals may have entirely different set of goals than VC&#8217;s with their investment.  You point this out briefly and I&#8217;d like to take it further.</p>
<p>Not every organization or initiative is a VC-fundable enterprise, especially at inception.  A crowdfunded organization may create different value beyond simply the prospective financial return required by VC&#8217;s.</p>
<p>As the Founder and CEO of a for-profit social enterprise focused on rural small-holder farmers (www.driptech.com), I know that there are investors who value social impact in addition to financial impact.  This is often easier for individual investors, who don&#8217;t have an explicit profit-maximizing investment mandate like VC&#8217;s.  Much of our early funding came from such individual &#8220;Angel&#8221; social investors.  Now our investors include both Vinod Khosla and a publicly-listed corporation.  Crowdfunding can take early-stage social impact investing one step further.</p>
<p>The most exciting thing about crowdfunding is the opportunity that it presents to individuals to invest directly according to their personal interests and motivations, which could be a combination of profit, social impact, or something else.  This specific, personal involvement is one of the reasons that Kiva.org has attracted so many individual lenders in the microfinance space.  Now anyone can be personally connected to the excitement of a startup, even if they only have a few hundred dollars to invest.  </p>
<p>Peter</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Addison</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2012/05/08/fred-wilson-what-crowdfunding-means-for-the-vc-business/#comment-840157</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark Addison]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2012 00:34:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Don -- Couldn&#039;t one of Accel Partners&#039; LPs invest in a company directly, via a crowdfunding model? Why do they become &#039;dumb money&#039; the moment you disintermediate the VC and their 2% and their carried interest? What the brand-name VCs have right now is a lock on the good deal-flow, but crowdfunding will soon chip away at that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Don &#8212; Couldn&#8217;t one of Accel Partners&#8217; LPs invest in a company directly, via a crowdfunding model? Why do they become &#8216;dumb money&#8217; the moment you disintermediate the VC and their 2% and their carried interest? What the brand-name VCs have right now is a lock on the good deal-flow, but crowdfunding will soon chip away at that.</p>
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		<title>By: d</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2012/05/08/fred-wilson-what-crowdfunding-means-for-the-vc-business/#comment-839987</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2012 14:58:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There likely will be a lot of flops. OTOH there may emerge leadership investors within petridish that others follow because of their smart choices. It&#039;s not unlike the old Chicago Board of Trade, where well-known traders had &quot;shadow traders&quot; who would just watch what they did and mimic their trades.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There likely will be a lot of flops. OTOH there may emerge leadership investors within petridish that others follow because of their smart choices. It&#8217;s not unlike the old Chicago Board of Trade, where well-known traders had &#8220;shadow traders&#8221; who would just watch what they did and mimic their trades.</p>
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		<title>By: d</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2012/05/08/fred-wilson-what-crowdfunding-means-for-the-vc-business/#comment-839985</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2012 14:56:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s not either/or. As he said, you could have Accel Partners providing a leveraged amount supplemented via crowd funding.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not either/or. As he said, you could have Accel Partners providing a leveraged amount supplemented via crowd funding.</p>
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		<title>By: Brandon Marker</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2012/05/08/fred-wilson-what-crowdfunding-means-for-the-vc-business/#comment-839982</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brandon Marker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2012 14:45:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have seen a TON of biotechnology/pharmaceutical/medical devices attempting to leverage crowdfunding. Not sure it is a good fit, but they are trying to make it a fit.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have seen a TON of biotechnology/pharmaceutical/medical devices attempting to leverage crowdfunding. Not sure it is a good fit, but they are trying to make it a fit.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher Reim</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2012/05/08/fred-wilson-what-crowdfunding-means-for-the-vc-business/#comment-839969</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Christopher Reim]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2012 14:08:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This was a thought provoking article, thank you - and I want to add to Don&#039;s comments to the article.  As a former venture capitalist and now working in a nonprofit that directs risk equity to community development (finding the high growth companies in troubled communities that desperately need jib growth, wage gains and capacity building), I believe that crowdfunding does have significant potential IF properly organized.  I support don&#039;s comments that, like all forms of capital sourcing, crowdfunding does have its more natural sectors where it can be of most use.  More relevant still, crowdfunding is valuable to those entreprepreneurs who do not have personal money or friends and family to lean upon.  In my view, (1) new job growth, (2) &quot;incremental innovation,&quot; and (3) a new generation of entrepreneurship, can be borne from crowdfunding.  This will be effective primarily to young ideas that need between $50,000 and $1 million to prove that the concept is credible to more sophisticated investors.  For community development projects, many of these businesses will not be the type to need numerous follow-on rounds; so crowdfunding offers the hope to get the business started - and get jobs moving in these communities.  The discussion of crowdfunding is still in its infancy - if we are not careful, too many regular people-turned-venture-investors will get burned and the benefit of crowdfunding will be lost.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was a thought provoking article, thank you &#8211; and I want to add to Don&#8217;s comments to the article.  As a former venture capitalist and now working in a nonprofit that directs risk equity to community development (finding the high growth companies in troubled communities that desperately need jib growth, wage gains and capacity building), I believe that crowdfunding does have significant potential IF properly organized.  I support don&#8217;s comments that, like all forms of capital sourcing, crowdfunding does have its more natural sectors where it can be of most use.  More relevant still, crowdfunding is valuable to those entreprepreneurs who do not have personal money or friends and family to lean upon.  In my view, (1) new job growth, (2) &#8220;incremental innovation,&#8221; and (3) a new generation of entrepreneurship, can be borne from crowdfunding.  This will be effective primarily to young ideas that need between $50,000 and $1 million to prove that the concept is credible to more sophisticated investors.  For community development projects, many of these businesses will not be the type to need numerous follow-on rounds; so crowdfunding offers the hope to get the business started &#8211; and get jobs moving in these communities.  The discussion of crowdfunding is still in its infancy &#8211; if we are not careful, too many regular people-turned-venture-investors will get burned and the benefit of crowdfunding will be lost.</p>
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		<title>By: PhD Blue</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2012/05/08/fred-wilson-what-crowdfunding-means-for-the-vc-business/#comment-839966</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[PhD Blue]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2012 13:58:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Crowdfunding is a nice idea, but it will definitely require significant tweaking for it to be effective/useful. 

I spent some time on the website &quot;petridish.org&quot; (mentioned by Fred and another commenter here). Based on the info provided, I cant help but think that the success of various projects in raising funds largely depends on the &quot;catchy-ness&quot; of the title and picture. At this point, it is more like a &quot;donation for a cause&quot; (save the vampire bat!) rather than any form of investment/funding. 

The participation of a VC in the process will help in vetting of ideas, tuning and pruning of business plans, executive leadership, contacts and networks, exist strategies etc .. the most important things in the ultimate success of a startup (rather than the original idea itself).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Crowdfunding is a nice idea, but it will definitely require significant tweaking for it to be effective/useful. </p>
<p>I spent some time on the website &#8220;petridish.org&#8221; (mentioned by Fred and another commenter here). Based on the info provided, I cant help but think that the success of various projects in raising funds largely depends on the &#8220;catchy-ness&#8221; of the title and picture. At this point, it is more like a &#8220;donation for a cause&#8221; (save the vampire bat!) rather than any form of investment/funding. </p>
<p>The participation of a VC in the process will help in vetting of ideas, tuning and pruning of business plans, executive leadership, contacts and networks, exist strategies etc .. the most important things in the ultimate success of a startup (rather than the original idea itself).</p>
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		<title>By: PhD Blue</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2012/05/08/fred-wilson-what-crowdfunding-means-for-the-vc-business/#comment-839964</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[PhD Blue]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2012 13:52:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The idea of crowdfunding sounds good.. but it will definitely require significant tweaking to achieve any significant impact. 

I spent some time on the website &quot;petridish.org&quot; the other day (the website was also mentioned by Fred and another commenter here). Based on the info provided, I cannot help but think that projects are getting funded based on the &quot;catchy-ness&quot; of the title and picture. Not-surprisingly, maximum number of donations fall in the $25-50 category. It is more of a &quot;donation&quot; of a cause concept rather than an investment/funding at the moment. 

The participation of a VC in the process will definitely help in vetting of ideas, pruning and tuning of business plans, executive leadership, attraction of top talent, contacts, networks, exit strategy etc.. all of which are eventually the most important factors in the ultimate success of a startup (rather than the original attractive idea itself).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The idea of crowdfunding sounds good.. but it will definitely require significant tweaking to achieve any significant impact. </p>
<p>I spent some time on the website &#8220;petridish.org&#8221; the other day (the website was also mentioned by Fred and another commenter here). Based on the info provided, I cannot help but think that projects are getting funded based on the &#8220;catchy-ness&#8221; of the title and picture. Not-surprisingly, maximum number of donations fall in the $25-50 category. It is more of a &#8220;donation&#8221; of a cause concept rather than an investment/funding at the moment. </p>
<p>The participation of a VC in the process will definitely help in vetting of ideas, pruning and tuning of business plans, executive leadership, attraction of top talent, contacts, networks, exit strategy etc.. all of which are eventually the most important factors in the ultimate success of a startup (rather than the original attractive idea itself).</p>
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		<title>By: Maurice Lopes</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2012/05/08/fred-wilson-what-crowdfunding-means-for-the-vc-business/#comment-839866</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Maurice Lopes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2012 04:55:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I believe Fred hit it right on the nail, i have been advocating VC&#039;s to co-invest in crowdfunding deals, we even built this feature into our Platform 3 months ago. Don while you are correct, in saying that if im a high-end talent and I&#039;m choosing between 2 companies, one is VC backed and one is crowd-backed it might be more interesting to go to the VC (only for the reason that its pro later stage). Which is what i think everyone is missing here Crowdfunding solves a problem $150K to $500K is not VC sweet spot, this is were Crowdfunding will be most usefull, to help entrepreneurs get the traction a VC needs.
Maurice Lopes - http://EarlyShares.com]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe Fred hit it right on the nail, i have been advocating VC&#8217;s to co-invest in crowdfunding deals, we even built this feature into our Platform 3 months ago. Don while you are correct, in saying that if im a high-end talent and I&#8217;m choosing between 2 companies, one is VC backed and one is crowd-backed it might be more interesting to go to the VC (only for the reason that its pro later stage). Which is what i think everyone is missing here Crowdfunding solves a problem $150K to $500K is not VC sweet spot, this is were Crowdfunding will be most usefull, to help entrepreneurs get the traction a VC needs.<br />
Maurice Lopes &#8211; <a href="http://EarlyShares.com" rel="nofollow">http://EarlyShares.com</a></p>
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