Comments on: First rule of DevOps fight club, don’t talk about DevOps fight club

By: Barb Darrow

Barb Darrow — Wed, 09 May 2012 15:47:21 +0000

why not go to both if you can?

By: Barb Darrow

Barb Darrow — Tue, 08 May 2012 01:55:40 +0000

i took away something a bit different — there’s a place for trade shows and vendor pitches and then there’s a place for discussions between peers without distractions or outside pressure — the fact that this person talked about it probably distracts from that.

By: Dan Ryan

Dan Ryan — Tue, 08 May 2012 00:57:09 +0000

lol

By: adrian cockcroft

adrian cockcroft — Tue, 08 May 2012 00:22:20 +0000

So this article already breaks the first rule, so who thought this was a good idea and who decided to publicize it? Lets hear some names…

By: Sascha

Sascha — Tue, 08 May 2012 00:12:08 +0000

I haven’t noticed anyone being shy about telling a vendor their product is shit at any conferences I’ve been to. I also haven’t noticed much in the way of pushy sells. The only problem I’ve ever had is getting off vendor email lists.

By: Andrew Clay Shafer

Andrew Clay Shafer — Mon, 07 May 2012 23:41:15 +0000

In any other place, in any other industry, this event would be called ‘Thursday’.

If people want to go off to have a talk in private about the work they do, I have no problem at all and neither should anyone else.

The only reason this is an issue at all is someone told someone who invited someone who once said devops and it got written up on gigaom with that title.

By: kitplummer

kitplummer — Mon, 07 May 2012 23:18:00 +0000

Not that I don’t understand the frustration with “sales pitches” but it seems to me that the DevOps community would want the vendors to participate in the discussion (assuming it is participation). As a vendor I want to build tools that enable and facilitate better DevOps culture. I guess it is just difficult for me to believe that the right answer is “we need to solve the problem in a vacuum, then go away and build it ourselves, then in two years open source it”.

Brandon’s right, force us to be a part of the conversation.

By: Brandon Burton

Brandon Burton — Mon, 07 May 2012 23:10:43 +0000

This is pretty ridiculous. The solution to being frustrated with vendors trying to “sell sell sell” at DevOps oriented stuff isn’t to go off and have sekrit meetups to exclude them, it’s to tell them outright that you don’t like their blatant selling and that you won’t put up with it. Force them to participate as an active member of the community, instead of trying to treat it like a revenue channel.

All that this kind of behavior does is make it difficult to realize actual change and create an open and involved community. Some people will be angry and stop listening to things with a “DevOps” label, others will see it as validation that “DevOps” is just another exclusive club, and the vendors will go on trying to “sell sell sell.”

By: Brandon Burton

Brandon Burton — Mon, 07 May 2012 23:06:56 +0000

It’s pretty easy to address, help us find a venue that can accommodate more people. As a volunteer run conference, we’re limited by the venues that we’re able to find from folks who are willing to host us.

By: Lee Thompson

Lee Thompson — Mon, 07 May 2012 21:21:51 +0000

DevOpsDays events in Austin and Mountain View hitting attendance limits is an issue we need to address in public, talk about fight club, no vendor c#$p format events