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		<title>By: George Gilbert</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2012/03/10/oracle-has-a-cloud-computing-secret/#comment-825643</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[George Gilbert]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Apr 2012 23:41:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Geek4guitar - I agree with you that today software and hardware sold into private clouds are based on perpetual use / upfront payments.  However, as IT transitions from &quot;service provider&quot; to comprehensive &quot;service broker&quot;, metered chargeback will become common for internal consumption as well.  more and more  departments are consuming their computing resources on demand - whether thru experimental applications on Amazon or email (Office 365 or GMail) today.  The infrastructure to support departmental apps (IaaS on Amazon or Rackspace), some of the applications themselves (Oracle Fusion apps running as SaaS or Salesforce.com), and emerging application platforms (Heroku) all feature on-demand delivery and metered pricing.  From the point of view of the ultimate consumer of these resources, IT will be providing a catalog of infrastructure, platforms, and applications that are secure, feature a guaranteed service level, and a metered price for on-demand access.  in-house customers will push more and more in-house applications to this model because they will be able to get substitutes externally that conform to the this model.  some applications may move very slowly, if at all, such as financials and sales order management, because they carry the highest performance and security demands.  but most will go.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geek4guitar &#8211; I agree with you that today software and hardware sold into private clouds are based on perpetual use / upfront payments.  However, as IT transitions from &#8220;service provider&#8221; to comprehensive &#8220;service broker&#8221;, metered chargeback will become common for internal consumption as well.  more and more  departments are consuming their computing resources on demand &#8211; whether thru experimental applications on Amazon or email (Office 365 or GMail) today.  The infrastructure to support departmental apps (IaaS on Amazon or Rackspace), some of the applications themselves (Oracle Fusion apps running as SaaS or Salesforce.com), and emerging application platforms (Heroku) all feature on-demand delivery and metered pricing.  From the point of view of the ultimate consumer of these resources, IT will be providing a catalog of infrastructure, platforms, and applications that are secure, feature a guaranteed service level, and a metered price for on-demand access.  in-house customers will push more and more in-house applications to this model because they will be able to get substitutes externally that conform to the this model.  some applications may move very slowly, if at all, such as financials and sales order management, because they carry the highest performance and security demands.  but most will go.</p>
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		<title>By: Geek4guitar</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2012/03/10/oracle-has-a-cloud-computing-secret/#comment-823537</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Geek4guitar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2012 14:57:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oracle is starting a metered public cloud business.   You are comparing public clouds to private clouds incorrectly..  Most of the corporate world is building private clouds to house their most important IT. private clouds are not metered.  The public cloud gets dev/ test/ and minor systems at this point.  None of the public clouds provide the SLAs that people need.  That is where Oracle is making all their money, I the private cloud business with their Exa machines. M  their public cloud is a way to contrast them with Amazon.  oracle is doing the first Platform as a service public cloud.  amazon is doing IaaS.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oracle is starting a metered public cloud business.   You are comparing public clouds to private clouds incorrectly..  Most of the corporate world is building private clouds to house their most important IT. private clouds are not metered.  The public cloud gets dev/ test/ and minor systems at this point.  None of the public clouds provide the SLAs that people need.  That is where Oracle is making all their money, I the private cloud business with their Exa machines. M  their public cloud is a way to contrast them with Amazon.  oracle is doing the first Platform as a service public cloud.  amazon is doing IaaS.</p>
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		<title>By: George Gilbert</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2012/03/10/oracle-has-a-cloud-computing-secret/#comment-822967</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[George Gilbert]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Mar 2012 04:25:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jeff - enterprise edition on AWS can only be licensed on *bring your own license* terms. That means only perpetual, up front pricing - no metering.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff &#8211; enterprise edition on AWS can only be licensed on *bring your own license* terms. That means only perpetual, up front pricing &#8211; no metering.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Schneider</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2012/03/10/oracle-has-a-cloud-computing-secret/#comment-821725</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Schneider]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Mar 2012 21:04:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[George,
AWS has offered Oracle Enterprise Edition for quite some time: http://aws.amazon.com/rds/oracle/

Jeff]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>George,<br />
AWS has offered Oracle Enterprise Edition for quite some time: <a href="http://aws.amazon.com/rds/oracle/" rel="nofollow">http://aws.amazon.com/rds/oracle/</a></p>
<p>Jeff</p>
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		<title>By: Manuel André</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2012/03/10/oracle-has-a-cloud-computing-secret/#comment-821536</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Manuel André]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Mar 2012 11:13:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What about &quot;Oracle Exalogic Elastic Cloud&quot;?
http://www.oracle.com/us/products/middleware/exalogic/resources/index.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about &#8220;Oracle Exalogic Elastic Cloud&#8221;?<br />
<a href="http://www.oracle.com/us/products/middleware/exalogic/resources/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.oracle.com/us/products/middleware/exalogic/resources/index.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sholto Macpherson</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2012/03/10/oracle-has-a-cloud-computing-secret/#comment-821461</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sholto Macpherson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Mar 2012 04:38:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Excellent post, great to have the figures.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent post, great to have the figures.</p>
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		<title>By: Techd Off</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2012/03/10/oracle-has-a-cloud-computing-secret/#comment-819769</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Techd Off]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Mar 2012 14:01:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hello again George,

Thank you for your handle compliment. Contrary to what it implies, I actually like tech, just not the way it&#039;s headed. A perfect example of this is Zuckerberg &amp; his statement in the Facecrook IPO doc&#039;s re: peoples increasing desire for &quot;quality&quot; products/services &amp; his awareness of this. Anyone who is familiar with said companies Android app knows what I am talking about here, a quality product NOT. I suppose that he thinks this bugware is good enough for the &#039;dumb fucks&#039; who use his &quot;service&quot; (yes this is actually what he has called the people who &quot;use&quot; Facecrook).  

But I digress. Once again I agree with you (albiet this time only mostly), it IS all about the selling. Just look at MS v IBM (Windows v O/S2), we all know who won that battle don&#039;t we?

I said &#039;mostly&#039; above based on these following three points:

1) ALL (not just &quot;enterprise&quot; grade) software is *sold* to somebody at some level, even &quot;open source freeware&quot; such as Cramdroid.

2) Prior to the ascent &amp; (until recently) domination of the MS marketeers, for the most part code was clean &amp; 1st gen releases worked straight out of the box with no glaring holes (ala Win 95/98/ME etc etc). The software environment has sadly continued downhill ever since then and this descent is getting faster &amp; deeper as time progresses. Just look at all the smartphone app (&amp; for that matter OSes also) &quot;updates&quot; that we are constantly bombarded with, on an almost daily basis. 

Crapple is no exception here, they just do a better job of hiding/denying/obfuscating it (a benefit perhaps of their controlling the whole environment). Because their product margins are so astronomically high, when you have an issue with the unit&#039;s miOS software, the Crapple store rep can afford to say &#039;Sorry your miPhone is playing up sir/madam. &#039;Here, we will give you a &quot;new&quot;(ly refurbished) one instead, no questions asked&#039;. &#039;Oh joy is me, thank you Crapple&#039; you say, as 10,000 miles away another Foxconn/Hon hai drone develops a serious medical condition as a result of working on the miPhone production line. 

You don&#039;t even stop to think and ask, &#039;Hang on, this handset looks exactly the same as my last one, why will it work properly when my last one didn&#039;t?&#039;. Therein lies the game my friend, there is a possibility it will or it won&#039;t, think of it as something akin to playing russian roulette but only in reverse. The &quot;best&quot; miPhone ever released is the 3GS because it is really a miPhone type1 v2, therefore making it the 3rd of it&#039;s type (or miPhone v1.2). That moniker however just wouldn&#039;t fly in todays marketing/wants based society so hey presto, it&#039;s hello to the 3GS. Hang on a second, where is the miPhone 2? Oh yeah thats right it was the 3 (that sure makes sense).

****I&#039;M TRULY SORRY Y&#039;ALL***** I am stopping my Crapple train here, before I risk this post degenerating into a full blown mega rant. Frankly I could go on and on with regards to Crapple &amp; their marketing &quot;genius&quot;, never mind the ever increasing issues I have with the mob at Scroogle. 

To re-iterate, I actually do like tech. It has the yet (as I see it) untapped ability to truly make a substantial lasting positive impact on EVERYONES lives, especially the less blessed mass majority in the 3rd World, but we in the West are screwing it up in the relentless pursuit of ever INCREASING profits. I do believe in the pursuit of profit, just not at the expense of someone else less blessed than myself. This brings me to point number-

3) To be blunt George, expressions like &quot;just in time&quot; or, as in your post &quot;on demand&quot;, are actually extremely insulting to me, seriously. It&#039;s ok though, I forgive you :-) . Do me a favour please &amp; have a serious think about this. What lasting good have any of these business concepts/practices really achieved today? The real answer (yes versus no or up versus down,) is ZERO! Average Jo (non gender specific) Blows are more stressed out, time/resources poor than ever before &amp; the planet is having just a &quot;bit&quot; of trouble keeping us going. Life gets faster &amp; faster with everybody getting dizzier &amp; dizzier. Real quality &amp; value is getting harder than ever to find. More often than not we are so dazzled &amp; entranced by the global corporate marketing machine that we actually have trouble telling the difference between quailty &amp; junk; until of course it is too late &amp; it bites us in the ass, with disastrous &amp; often fatal results. One factory stops production (Tsunami related) &amp; the whole global supply chain grounds to a halt. If we do not drastically alter our current path, sooner rather than later it&#039;s going to be too late. We are a clever species; maybe that&#039;s the issue, we are too clever for our own good.

Anyway take care George &amp; I wish you all the best. Maybe, if there is enough time left, we will meet properly (in person) some day (I would like that &amp; I hope you feel the same too).

Sincerely,

Techd Off

PS Is your head hurting yet (I know mine is)? If so I apologise, it wasn&#039;t intential (if you could see inside my head you would know that I am telling the truth).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello again George,</p>
<p>Thank you for your handle compliment. Contrary to what it implies, I actually like tech, just not the way it&#8217;s headed. A perfect example of this is Zuckerberg &amp; his statement in the Facecrook IPO doc&#8217;s re: peoples increasing desire for &#8220;quality&#8221; products/services &amp; his awareness of this. Anyone who is familiar with said companies Android app knows what I am talking about here, a quality product NOT. I suppose that he thinks this bugware is good enough for the &#8216;dumb fucks&#8217; who use his &#8220;service&#8221; (yes this is actually what he has called the people who &#8220;use&#8221; Facecrook).  </p>
<p>But I digress. Once again I agree with you (albiet this time only mostly), it IS all about the selling. Just look at MS v IBM (Windows v O/S2), we all know who won that battle don&#8217;t we?</p>
<p>I said &#8216;mostly&#8217; above based on these following three points:</p>
<p>1) ALL (not just &#8220;enterprise&#8221; grade) software is *sold* to somebody at some level, even &#8220;open source freeware&#8221; such as Cramdroid.</p>
<p>2) Prior to the ascent &amp; (until recently) domination of the MS marketeers, for the most part code was clean &amp; 1st gen releases worked straight out of the box with no glaring holes (ala Win 95/98/ME etc etc). The software environment has sadly continued downhill ever since then and this descent is getting faster &amp; deeper as time progresses. Just look at all the smartphone app (&amp; for that matter OSes also) &#8220;updates&#8221; that we are constantly bombarded with, on an almost daily basis. </p>
<p>Crapple is no exception here, they just do a better job of hiding/denying/obfuscating it (a benefit perhaps of their controlling the whole environment). Because their product margins are so astronomically high, when you have an issue with the unit&#8217;s miOS software, the Crapple store rep can afford to say &#8216;Sorry your miPhone is playing up sir/madam. &#8216;Here, we will give you a &#8220;new&#8221;(ly refurbished) one instead, no questions asked&#8217;. &#8216;Oh joy is me, thank you Crapple&#8217; you say, as 10,000 miles away another Foxconn/Hon hai drone develops a serious medical condition as a result of working on the miPhone production line. </p>
<p>You don&#8217;t even stop to think and ask, &#8216;Hang on, this handset looks exactly the same as my last one, why will it work properly when my last one didn&#8217;t?&#8217;. Therein lies the game my friend, there is a possibility it will or it won&#8217;t, think of it as something akin to playing russian roulette but only in reverse. The &#8220;best&#8221; miPhone ever released is the 3GS because it is really a miPhone type1 v2, therefore making it the 3rd of it&#8217;s type (or miPhone v1.2). That moniker however just wouldn&#8217;t fly in todays marketing/wants based society so hey presto, it&#8217;s hello to the 3GS. Hang on a second, where is the miPhone 2? Oh yeah thats right it was the 3 (that sure makes sense).</p>
<p>****I&#8217;M TRULY SORRY Y&#8217;ALL***** I am stopping my Crapple train here, before I risk this post degenerating into a full blown mega rant. Frankly I could go on and on with regards to Crapple &amp; their marketing &#8220;genius&#8221;, never mind the ever increasing issues I have with the mob at Scroogle. </p>
<p>To re-iterate, I actually do like tech. It has the yet (as I see it) untapped ability to truly make a substantial lasting positive impact on EVERYONES lives, especially the less blessed mass majority in the 3rd World, but we in the West are screwing it up in the relentless pursuit of ever INCREASING profits. I do believe in the pursuit of profit, just not at the expense of someone else less blessed than myself. This brings me to point number-</p>
<p>3) To be blunt George, expressions like &#8220;just in time&#8221; or, as in your post &#8220;on demand&#8221;, are actually extremely insulting to me, seriously. It&#8217;s ok though, I forgive you :-) . Do me a favour please &amp; have a serious think about this. What lasting good have any of these business concepts/practices really achieved today? The real answer (yes versus no or up versus down,) is ZERO! Average Jo (non gender specific) Blows are more stressed out, time/resources poor than ever before &amp; the planet is having just a &#8220;bit&#8221; of trouble keeping us going. Life gets faster &amp; faster with everybody getting dizzier &amp; dizzier. Real quality &amp; value is getting harder than ever to find. More often than not we are so dazzled &amp; entranced by the global corporate marketing machine that we actually have trouble telling the difference between quailty &amp; junk; until of course it is too late &amp; it bites us in the ass, with disastrous &amp; often fatal results. One factory stops production (Tsunami related) &amp; the whole global supply chain grounds to a halt. If we do not drastically alter our current path, sooner rather than later it&#8217;s going to be too late. We are a clever species; maybe that&#8217;s the issue, we are too clever for our own good.</p>
<p>Anyway take care George &amp; I wish you all the best. Maybe, if there is enough time left, we will meet properly (in person) some day (I would like that &amp; I hope you feel the same too).</p>
<p>Sincerely,</p>
<p>Techd Off</p>
<p>PS Is your head hurting yet (I know mine is)? If so I apologise, it wasn&#8217;t intential (if you could see inside my head you would know that I am telling the truth).</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Vance</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2012/03/10/oracle-has-a-cloud-computing-secret/#comment-818923</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Peter Vance]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2012 15:28:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Joseph Alsop (Progress) stated many years ago that databases would/should become commodities.  He was right then and is right now.  The attitude of managers who feel &quot;no one ever got fired for buying xxx&quot;, should have disappeared with IBM&#039;s loss of dominance.  Everyone (IBM, Microsoft, etc) under prices Oracle on databases and yet they continue to over price and sell.  Why?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joseph Alsop (Progress) stated many years ago that databases would/should become commodities.  He was right then and is right now.  The attitude of managers who feel &#8220;no one ever got fired for buying xxx&#8221;, should have disappeared with IBM&#8217;s loss of dominance.  Everyone (IBM, Microsoft, etc) under prices Oracle on databases and yet they continue to over price and sell.  Why?</p>
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		<title>By: stopthe</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2012/03/10/oracle-has-a-cloud-computing-secret/#comment-818889</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[stopthe]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2012 12:45:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great post.  Personally I&#039;d like to see Oracle go away in the long term.  Larry Ellison&#039;s approach to software ownership and capitalizing on his (temporary, in the long view) economic rents is the real force behind Oracle&#039;s unwillingness to migrate to a more modern pricing.  In the end, this inflexibility will cost him more and more market share until Oracle becomes irrelevant.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post.  Personally I&#8217;d like to see Oracle go away in the long term.  Larry Ellison&#8217;s approach to software ownership and capitalizing on his (temporary, in the long view) economic rents is the real force behind Oracle&#8217;s unwillingness to migrate to a more modern pricing.  In the end, this inflexibility will cost him more and more market share until Oracle becomes irrelevant.</p>
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		<title>By: scottph</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2012/03/10/oracle-has-a-cloud-computing-secret/#comment-818819</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[scottph]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2012 06:22:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi George, I completely agre, but again, this is not Oracle&#039;s business. Oracle has the whole stack for applications that aren&#039;t geared towards &quot;end-users&quot; for lack of a better word. Their customers are big companies that need RDB&#039;s and DWH&#039;s and such.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi George, I completely agre, but again, this is not Oracle&#8217;s business. Oracle has the whole stack for applications that aren&#8217;t geared towards &#8220;end-users&#8221; for lack of a better word. Their customers are big companies that need RDB&#8217;s and DWH&#8217;s and such.</p>
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