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	<title>Comments on: Got QA? It&#8217;s the new tech apprenticeship</title>
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		<title>By: D. Cory Enderby</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2012/03/07/got-qa-its-the-new-tech-apprenticeship/#comment-837730</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[D. Cory Enderby]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2012 00:06:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: CS</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2012/03/07/got-qa-its-the-new-tech-apprenticeship/#comment-818528</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2012 13:48:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Speaking from experience, I can say that this *could* be a good thing. However, I don’t think that the way it is being promoted (I.e., this article &amp; the SummerQAmp site) does the SummerQAmp initiative any favours – it gives a negative perception that QA/Software Testing is inferior to other roles within the industry.  This is exactly the mindset we are looking to get rid of within the industry.

A similar initiative was implemented in Northern Ireland, called “Test Academy” (see here: http://bit.ly/qCAWCz). Within the local NI industry, there was (and still is) a high demand for Software Testers, but a distinct lack of relevant skills and experience within the Testing talent pool to fill the roles. Representatives from various organisations and universities within the local industry participated in a number of focus group sessions to work together with the aim of trying to address this problem. One of the main initiatives to come out of the focus group sessions was “Test Academy” and was fully supported and facilitated by local government bodies (there were other initiatives, such as liaising with the local universities to offer Software Testing specific course modules and promote Software Testing as a viable career path within their degree programs).

Test Academy was set-up to provide graduates with the necessary training that would give them a good foundation so they could pursue a career in Software Testing (preference was actually given to graduates with non-IT background) . Test Academy attracted over 700 applicants, but only offered 20 places on the program. The selection process for Test Academy was quite rigorous – numerous aptitude tests with only a percentage of the highest scoring being invited to the interview stages. The Test Academy program lasted 14 weeks – 8 weeks of very intensive, but structured classroom training (including exams and assignments) and 6 weeks work placement with a local company (getting first-hand industry experience). After the 6 weeks , the company then had the option to offer the candidate a contract of full-time employment or offer them to another company participating in the initiative.

I guess what I am trying to say is that the Test Academy program was a great success and it is likely that the program will run again in the future. SummerQAmp is not exactly the same, but is very similar. If it is organised and structured correctly (and promoted with a bit more care), it too can be a success!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking from experience, I can say that this *could* be a good thing. However, I don’t think that the way it is being promoted (I.e., this article &amp; the SummerQAmp site) does the SummerQAmp initiative any favours – it gives a negative perception that QA/Software Testing is inferior to other roles within the industry.  This is exactly the mindset we are looking to get rid of within the industry.</p>
<p>A similar initiative was implemented in Northern Ireland, called “Test Academy” (see here: <a href="http://bit.ly/qCAWCz" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/qCAWCz</a>). Within the local NI industry, there was (and still is) a high demand for Software Testers, but a distinct lack of relevant skills and experience within the Testing talent pool to fill the roles. Representatives from various organisations and universities within the local industry participated in a number of focus group sessions to work together with the aim of trying to address this problem. One of the main initiatives to come out of the focus group sessions was “Test Academy” and was fully supported and facilitated by local government bodies (there were other initiatives, such as liaising with the local universities to offer Software Testing specific course modules and promote Software Testing as a viable career path within their degree programs).</p>
<p>Test Academy was set-up to provide graduates with the necessary training that would give them a good foundation so they could pursue a career in Software Testing (preference was actually given to graduates with non-IT background) . Test Academy attracted over 700 applicants, but only offered 20 places on the program. The selection process for Test Academy was quite rigorous – numerous aptitude tests with only a percentage of the highest scoring being invited to the interview stages. The Test Academy program lasted 14 weeks – 8 weeks of very intensive, but structured classroom training (including exams and assignments) and 6 weeks work placement with a local company (getting first-hand industry experience). After the 6 weeks , the company then had the option to offer the candidate a contract of full-time employment or offer them to another company participating in the initiative.</p>
<p>I guess what I am trying to say is that the Test Academy program was a great success and it is likely that the program will run again in the future. SummerQAmp is not exactly the same, but is very similar. If it is organised and structured correctly (and promoted with a bit more care), it too can be a success!</p>
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		<title>By: Will Murray</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2012/03/07/got-qa-its-the-new-tech-apprenticeship/#comment-818486</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Will Murray]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2012 10:12:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This articel has annoyed me for 1 - &quot;But perhaps more importantly, Martocci and others see QA as a pathway to a bigger job in software development, kind of like a gateway drug for programming.&quot; Testing is not longer seen as a second class job in Ireland or the UK, it is a valued profession, with testers now being seen in their rightful place, not just someone who bangs buttons to find bugs. A similiar scheme has been running in Northern Ireland for a few months now, and has been extremely successful, the main reason being that it doesn&#039;t advertise testing as a stepping stone, but as a career. This scheme mentioned above will not work if the people championing it have the incorrect mindset!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This articel has annoyed me for 1 &#8211; &#8220;But perhaps more importantly, Martocci and others see QA as a pathway to a bigger job in software development, kind of like a gateway drug for programming.&#8221; Testing is not longer seen as a second class job in Ireland or the UK, it is a valued profession, with testers now being seen in their rightful place, not just someone who bangs buttons to find bugs. A similiar scheme has been running in Northern Ireland for a few months now, and has been extremely successful, the main reason being that it doesn&#8217;t advertise testing as a stepping stone, but as a career. This scheme mentioned above will not work if the people championing it have the incorrect mindset!</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Colson</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2012/03/07/got-qa-its-the-new-tech-apprenticeship/#comment-817951</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matt Colson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Mar 2012 09:58:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: TeaTime with Testers</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2012/03/07/got-qa-its-the-new-tech-apprenticeship/#comment-817946</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TeaTime with Testers]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Mar 2012 09:34:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Initiative sounds good but the idea (rather opinion) about s/w testing this article projects is disturbing me. We (Tea-time with Testers) are big supporters of &quot;Teach-Testing&quot; idea but definitely don&#039;t support the **underestimating** thoughts about testing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Initiative sounds good but the idea (rather opinion) about s/w testing this article projects is disturbing me. We (Tea-time with Testers) are big supporters of &#8220;Teach-Testing&#8221; idea but definitely don&#8217;t support the **underestimating** thoughts about testing.</p>
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		<title>By: SoftwareTestingClub</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2012/03/07/got-qa-its-the-new-tech-apprenticeship/#comment-817845</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[SoftwareTestingClub]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2012 23:34:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ok, so if you look at the website, what they say sounds ok. Admittedly it doesn&#039;t say much.  I guess it would be good to have more information before making any ***assumptions***.  

I think perhaps the problem is the way this article is reported in a way that will annoy certain people out there - specifically testers who love their job and who have the right to get annoyed when it is compared to a second class, easy, no brain required job or as a stepping stone to development.

BTW - the link to the SumerQAmp website is broken.  Sorry couldn&#039;t help myself.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, so if you look at the website, what they say sounds ok. Admittedly it doesn&#8217;t say much.  I guess it would be good to have more information before making any ***assumptions***.  </p>
<p>I think perhaps the problem is the way this article is reported in a way that will annoy certain people out there &#8211; specifically testers who love their job and who have the right to get annoyed when it is compared to a second class, easy, no brain required job or as a stepping stone to development.</p>
<p>BTW &#8211; the link to the SumerQAmp website is broken.  Sorry couldn&#8217;t help myself.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Larsen</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2012/03/07/got-qa-its-the-new-tech-apprenticeship/#comment-817225</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Larsen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2012 21:41:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m torn, to tell the truth. On one side, I think it&#039;s great that we are encouraging people to explore technical fields and look at options that can become lifelong careers. On the other, I have a problem with saying that Quality Assurance (or as I like to refer to what they are actually doing, Software Testing) as being a gateway to programming. It&#039;s like saying that riding a bicycle is a gateway to swimming. 

Testing is a demanding discipline, and one that requires a lot of focus, attention, and domain specific knowledge to be effective. Some entry level testing can be done by low skilled testers, it&#039;s true, but testing such things as avionics software, biomedical drug conversion and sampling software, or distributed legal system databases are not those types of jobs. 

I&#039;d actually like to see these organizations reach out to those of us who actually do software testing for a living and see what we would recommend. Who knows, they may find that software testing is a fulfilling career in its own right, and encourage people to become software testers as a career in its own right. If they decide to become programmers great, but remember, there&#039;s a lot of us software testers that program, too.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m torn, to tell the truth. On one side, I think it&#8217;s great that we are encouraging people to explore technical fields and look at options that can become lifelong careers. On the other, I have a problem with saying that Quality Assurance (or as I like to refer to what they are actually doing, Software Testing) as being a gateway to programming. It&#8217;s like saying that riding a bicycle is a gateway to swimming. </p>
<p>Testing is a demanding discipline, and one that requires a lot of focus, attention, and domain specific knowledge to be effective. Some entry level testing can be done by low skilled testers, it&#8217;s true, but testing such things as avionics software, biomedical drug conversion and sampling software, or distributed legal system databases are not those types of jobs. </p>
<p>I&#8217;d actually like to see these organizations reach out to those of us who actually do software testing for a living and see what we would recommend. Who knows, they may find that software testing is a fulfilling career in its own right, and encourage people to become software testers as a career in its own right. If they decide to become programmers great, but remember, there&#8217;s a lot of us software testers that program, too.</p>
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		<title>By: fijiaaron</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2012/03/07/got-qa-its-the-new-tech-apprenticeship/#comment-817104</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[fijiaaron]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2012 16:50:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Look at all the companies willing to snout up to the government trough.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look at all the companies willing to snout up to the government trough.</p>
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		<title>By: kip steele</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2012/03/07/got-qa-its-the-new-tech-apprenticeship/#comment-817038</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[kip steele]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2012 13:50:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So we&#039;re going to take energetic testers and turn them into lazy developers? We&#039;re screwed. Working in sales can be a gateway to be a developer. I have apps on my iPhone older than most of the companies listed here. And Bon jovi dilutes this even more. Call me when Andy grove thinks intel can hire high school kids for testing or msft decides to lower the expectations for software engineers in test.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So we&#8217;re going to take energetic testers and turn them into lazy developers? We&#8217;re screwed. Working in sales can be a gateway to be a developer. I have apps on my iPhone older than most of the companies listed here. And Bon jovi dilutes this even more. Call me when Andy grove thinks intel can hire high school kids for testing or msft decides to lower the expectations for software engineers in test.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Rock</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2012/03/07/got-qa-its-the-new-tech-apprenticeship/#comment-816716</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brian Rock]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2012 21:48:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ryan, Couldn&#039;t agree more with you.  We need to direct our youth to the high tech industry.  Directing them into Quality Assurance Engineering is a great path that can lead to a great career.  I just disagree with doing it under the pretense that it&#039;s a &quot;stepping stone&quot; to another field.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ryan, Couldn&#8217;t agree more with you.  We need to direct our youth to the high tech industry.  Directing them into Quality Assurance Engineering is a great path that can lead to a great career.  I just disagree with doing it under the pretense that it&#8217;s a &#8220;stepping stone&#8221; to another field.</p>
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