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	<title>Comments on: Legislators aim to turn states into broadband backwaters</title>
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		<title>By: chrisconder</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2012/02/19/legislators-aim-to-turn-states-into-broadband-backwaters/#comment-832104</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[chrisconder]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2012 06:16:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Some great discussion here!
Think its just the same in the UK. The incumbent protecting its copper assets by insisting it can keep up with modifications, and covering the fact that due to long copper line lengths many people are on substandard services or no service at all. I understand that they have to answer to shareholders and pay their CEO £5 million bonuses, but they should be truthful. The truth is that any public money should go to new fibre networks in rural areas to provide them with connectivity. How much comes down that pipe is not the question, they can have a meg or a gig or whatever they like in the future. Get the new networks in and the incumbents will automatically have to up their game. Get a fibre backbone round the states and cut out the bottlenecks. Like building the railroads to replace the wagon trains, open up the traffic and become a digital nation. Communities have to follow the example of the pioneers who have started the adventure into the future and not play it safe huddling round the old phone line waiting for a call. Bring IT on. Build your own Chattanooga coo choo. JFDI.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some great discussion here!<br />
Think its just the same in the UK. The incumbent protecting its copper assets by insisting it can keep up with modifications, and covering the fact that due to long copper line lengths many people are on substandard services or no service at all. I understand that they have to answer to shareholders and pay their CEO £5 million bonuses, but they should be truthful. The truth is that any public money should go to new fibre networks in rural areas to provide them with connectivity. How much comes down that pipe is not the question, they can have a meg or a gig or whatever they like in the future. Get the new networks in and the incumbents will automatically have to up their game. Get a fibre backbone round the states and cut out the bottlenecks. Like building the railroads to replace the wagon trains, open up the traffic and become a digital nation. Communities have to follow the example of the pioneers who have started the adventure into the future and not play it safe huddling round the old phone line waiting for a call. Bring IT on. Build your own Chattanooga coo choo. JFDI.</p>
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		<title>By: Donna A. Sullivan</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2012/02/19/legislators-aim-to-turn-states-into-broadband-backwaters/#comment-816746</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Donna A. Sullivan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2012 22:52:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Cities and counties are kicking telcos assets!!!! LOL...I love it! Kick their butts Chattanooga and Wilson!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cities and counties are kicking telcos assets!!!! LOL&#8230;I love it! Kick their butts Chattanooga and Wilson!</p>
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		<title>By: Don Flewelling</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2012/02/19/legislators-aim-to-turn-states-into-broadband-backwaters/#comment-812522</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Don Flewelling]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Feb 2012 15:09:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Copper wires might be ok... the average small gauge twisted copper pair is not comparable to the capacity that a coax.  I don&#039;t believe that cable companies are delivering 5Gbps service on telco lines.  Some clarification is in order here.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Copper wires might be ok&#8230; the average small gauge twisted copper pair is not comparable to the capacity that a coax.  I don&#8217;t believe that cable companies are delivering 5Gbps service on telco lines.  Some clarification is in order here.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig Settles</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2012/02/19/legislators-aim-to-turn-states-into-broadband-backwaters/#comment-812215</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Craig Settles]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2012 17:39:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To which I reply, if you had to get to L.A from Boston in a hurry, are you going to take the train or are you going to fly? Governments subsidized airports because they saw the future and planes were the better bet. Also, airlines are taxed and regulated as are railroads. Furthermore, we&#039;re being distracted by the analogy whereas the main focus of this article is incumbent-influenced legislation that is harmful to communities&#039; best interest.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To which I reply, if you had to get to L.A from Boston in a hurry, are you going to take the train or are you going to fly? Governments subsidized airports because they saw the future and planes were the better bet. Also, airlines are taxed and regulated as are railroads. Furthermore, we&#8217;re being distracted by the analogy whereas the main focus of this article is incumbent-influenced legislation that is harmful to communities&#8217; best interest.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Bennett</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2012/02/19/legislators-aim-to-turn-states-into-broadband-backwaters/#comment-812209</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Bennett]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2012 17:00:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Do you have a job, Phillip? I ask because you&#039;re so interested in other people&#039;s employment and so dodgy about your own. The fact is that I&#039;m a consultant, just like Craig, and my primary client is a non-profit who is supported by a number of IT industry supporters, more on the equipment side than on the telecom side. The equipment providers are happy with municipal networks because they represent another market.

That has nothing to do with my point, which is once again that cable is currently a 5 Gigagit per second system, including all the things that it does today. Capacity constraints on cable networks are upstream of the copper portion, in the middle miles between the copper access network and the Internet Exchanges. If the cable companies replaced copper with fiber, these bottlenecks would still exist. 

New fiber networks are very lightly loaded because they offer a service that few people want or need. They&#039;re literally a waste of taxpayer money, for the most part. 

Deal with the facts, not the personalities. If you can. And no, I don&#039;t want fries with that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you have a job, Phillip? I ask because you&#8217;re so interested in other people&#8217;s employment and so dodgy about your own. The fact is that I&#8217;m a consultant, just like Craig, and my primary client is a non-profit who is supported by a number of IT industry supporters, more on the equipment side than on the telecom side. The equipment providers are happy with municipal networks because they represent another market.</p>
<p>That has nothing to do with my point, which is once again that cable is currently a 5 Gigagit per second system, including all the things that it does today. Capacity constraints on cable networks are upstream of the copper portion, in the middle miles between the copper access network and the Internet Exchanges. If the cable companies replaced copper with fiber, these bottlenecks would still exist. </p>
<p>New fiber networks are very lightly loaded because they offer a service that few people want or need. They&#8217;re literally a waste of taxpayer money, for the most part. </p>
<p>Deal with the facts, not the personalities. If you can. And no, I don&#8217;t want fries with that.</p>
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		<title>By: AnthonyP</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2012/02/19/legislators-aim-to-turn-states-into-broadband-backwaters/#comment-812173</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AnthonyP]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2012 15:28:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think you missed the most important part of your analogy: The airlines are heavily subsidized by the government (think municipal-owned airports) much like the municipal broadband. The telcos and cable companies, like the railroads, are penalized by the government (through regulations and taxes on privately-owned infrastructure) and aren&#039;t (can&#039;t?) competing at the same level.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you missed the most important part of your analogy: The airlines are heavily subsidized by the government (think municipal-owned airports) much like the municipal broadband. The telcos and cable companies, like the railroads, are penalized by the government (through regulations and taxes on privately-owned infrastructure) and aren&#8217;t (can&#8217;t?) competing at the same level.</p>
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		<title>By: steve</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2012/02/19/legislators-aim-to-turn-states-into-broadband-backwaters/#comment-811889</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[steve]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2012 20:48:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The cable companies don&#039;t have a monopoly? I am sure there are some places they dont...but those places are far outnumbered by places where they do have a monopoly]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The cable companies don&#8217;t have a monopoly? I am sure there are some places they dont&#8230;but those places are far outnumbered by places where they do have a monopoly</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2012/02/19/legislators-aim-to-turn-states-into-broadband-backwaters/#comment-811771</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2012 14:45:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is a populist blog, so facts aren’t nearly as useful as rhetoric, but what the heck…. Let’s go a bit deeper into EPB.

EPB needed about $340M (about $2000/home to reach all of Chattanooga) to build their new fiber network. They got $111M in federal stimulus money (that’s about $650/home), and an additional $230M by floating new bonds. The stimulus money was granted to EPB power to build out a fiber network in support of a smart power grid (exactly how much bandwidth is needed to run a smart grid, anyway?) That’s right. Residents of Chattanooga got a free $650 per home from the federal government. Good deal, if you can get it. And it gets better. The bonds will be paid back not via the revenue from new Internet services, but via a rate increases levied against all electric customers. Since they’ve started this boondoggle, they’ve raised rates twice. Once when they started the venture, and again last year to avoid a downgrade in their credit rating. All in all, electric customers in Chattanooga have been handed a total of 9-10% rate increases over the next 25 years, which is the term of the bond sale. EPB Fiber is running around saying they’ll be able to recover their costs. Technically true, because they don’t really have any. All of the costs were levied on the electricity franchise. So, you think this is a model that should be, and could be replicated across the country?

It’s no surprise that the private network providers would be opposed to this. It’s not really possible to compete effectively against someone that gets free money from the federal government, has a monopoly electrical franchise that you can pass on rate hikes to that customers have no choice but to pay, no mandate to be profitable, and can raise money with tax free muni bonds. A private company would need to raise nearly twice as much cash as EPB to have the same financial resources available to them because the private company is not getting free stimulus money, has no access to tax free investment instruments, has no monopoly to pass its costs back to, and has to finish the year with money to return to shareholders. Who here would keep their company in these markets, and how would you defend that decision to your shareholders?

The legislation that lawmakers are proposing mainly seeks to defend private businesses and taxpayers by requiring local governments that want to compete with private network providers to do so on an even playing field, and be able to pay for their initiatives without sticking the people with more debt. Why is that so bad? The only rational reason that you anti-business Occupiers would be so vocally against this that you want an Arab style uprising is if you know, as most already people do, that the government cannot build and operate a network more efficiently. Otherwise, why oppose a level playing field? Are you afraid the private network forms might win?

What will really be comical is when the private network providers pack up and leave (and take their jobs and taxes with them), and y’all will be standing there with your hands up waiting for the mayor to come install your $350/month broadband (the current rate from EPB for “up to” 1gbps).

Why are you people so darn angry, anyway? Has your internet speed not increased since the days of 14.4 dial? Is there a single content provider serving up content at a speed of a gigabit per second to their visitors? What are ISPs keeping you from doing? What did they do to you that feeds your hate?

If local municipalities want to run private business out of town and serve themselves, that&#039;s a local matter that makes a large part of the FCC charter void, and introduced a whole other debate about USF and COLA obligations. But to make a case for it using ignorance, fear, false choices, and misinformation is just weak, juvenile and irresponsible. 

And I live how the gentleman above calls put Mr. Bennett for earning money from the telecom industry (nothing new, the people who actually hold jobs in this field are routinely vilified here by those who never have) while giving a pass to Mr. Settles, who earns a living selling his views to local governments. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a populist blog, so facts aren’t nearly as useful as rhetoric, but what the heck…. Let’s go a bit deeper into EPB.</p>
<p>EPB needed about $340M (about $2000/home to reach all of Chattanooga) to build their new fiber network. They got $111M in federal stimulus money (that’s about $650/home), and an additional $230M by floating new bonds. The stimulus money was granted to EPB power to build out a fiber network in support of a smart power grid (exactly how much bandwidth is needed to run a smart grid, anyway?) That’s right. Residents of Chattanooga got a free $650 per home from the federal government. Good deal, if you can get it. And it gets better. The bonds will be paid back not via the revenue from new Internet services, but via a rate increases levied against all electric customers. Since they’ve started this boondoggle, they’ve raised rates twice. Once when they started the venture, and again last year to avoid a downgrade in their credit rating. All in all, electric customers in Chattanooga have been handed a total of 9-10% rate increases over the next 25 years, which is the term of the bond sale. EPB Fiber is running around saying they’ll be able to recover their costs. Technically true, because they don’t really have any. All of the costs were levied on the electricity franchise. So, you think this is a model that should be, and could be replicated across the country?</p>
<p>It’s no surprise that the private network providers would be opposed to this. It’s not really possible to compete effectively against someone that gets free money from the federal government, has a monopoly electrical franchise that you can pass on rate hikes to that customers have no choice but to pay, no mandate to be profitable, and can raise money with tax free muni bonds. A private company would need to raise nearly twice as much cash as EPB to have the same financial resources available to them because the private company is not getting free stimulus money, has no access to tax free investment instruments, has no monopoly to pass its costs back to, and has to finish the year with money to return to shareholders. Who here would keep their company in these markets, and how would you defend that decision to your shareholders?</p>
<p>The legislation that lawmakers are proposing mainly seeks to defend private businesses and taxpayers by requiring local governments that want to compete with private network providers to do so on an even playing field, and be able to pay for their initiatives without sticking the people with more debt. Why is that so bad? The only rational reason that you anti-business Occupiers would be so vocally against this that you want an Arab style uprising is if you know, as most already people do, that the government cannot build and operate a network more efficiently. Otherwise, why oppose a level playing field? Are you afraid the private network forms might win?</p>
<p>What will really be comical is when the private network providers pack up and leave (and take their jobs and taxes with them), and y’all will be standing there with your hands up waiting for the mayor to come install your $350/month broadband (the current rate from EPB for “up to” 1gbps).</p>
<p>Why are you people so darn angry, anyway? Has your internet speed not increased since the days of 14.4 dial? Is there a single content provider serving up content at a speed of a gigabit per second to their visitors? What are ISPs keeping you from doing? What did they do to you that feeds your hate?</p>
<p>If local municipalities want to run private business out of town and serve themselves, that&#8217;s a local matter that makes a large part of the FCC charter void, and introduced a whole other debate about USF and COLA obligations. But to make a case for it using ignorance, fear, false choices, and misinformation is just weak, juvenile and irresponsible. </p>
<p>And I live how the gentleman above calls put Mr. Bennett for earning money from the telecom industry (nothing new, the people who actually hold jobs in this field are routinely vilified here by those who never have) while giving a pass to Mr. Settles, who earns a living selling his views to local governments. </p>
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		<title>By: Tristan</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2012/02/19/legislators-aim-to-turn-states-into-broadband-backwaters/#comment-811563</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tristan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Feb 2012 21:04:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Legislator Orrin Hatch wants to blow up computers without due process.  http://www.dethronehatch.com/orrin-hatch-is-no-friend-of-the-internet/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Legislator Orrin Hatch wants to blow up computers without due process.  <a href="http://www.dethronehatch.com/orrin-hatch-is-no-friend-of-the-internet/" rel="nofollow">http://www.dethronehatch.com/orrin-hatch-is-no-friend-of-the-internet/</a></p>
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		<title>By: livestreamdigest</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2012/02/19/legislators-aim-to-turn-states-into-broadband-backwaters/#comment-811517</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[livestreamdigest]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Feb 2012 18:18:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This makes me wonder how much content distribution plays into Telco strategy here. Are they trying to be more nimble than RIAA in anticipating the evolution of independently produced content? With the growth of cord cutting, the Telcos can no longer be the sole delivery system of video content. Fatter pipes = more content opportunities.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This makes me wonder how much content distribution plays into Telco strategy here. Are they trying to be more nimble than RIAA in anticipating the evolution of independently produced content? With the growth of cord cutting, the Telcos can no longer be the sole delivery system of video content. Fatter pipes = more content opportunities.</p>
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