Tim O’Reilly: Why I’m fighting SOPA
As the debate about the Stop Online Piracy Act (SOPA) rages on from Silicon Valley to Washington DC, a number of the technology industry’s most influential leaders have come out against the proposed legislation, which would give the government and private corporations unprecedented powers to remove websites from the internet for any alleged copyright infringement.
On Thursday, I interviewed Tim O’Reilly about why he believes SOPA is wrong and what the tech industry can do to stop it. His concerns fell into five main categories:
Piracy is not a real problem
The way I see it, there’s a lack of need for any legislation at all. As a publisher, I have a very deep experience here, and the fact is that piracy is not a significant problem. Yes, there are people who are pirating my books, there are people who are sharing links to places where they can be downloaded. But the vast majority of customers are willing to pay if the product is widely available and the price is fair. If you have a relationship with your customers, and they know you’re doing the right thing, they will support you.
The people who are pirating are most likely the people who would never give you a nickel to begin with. Piracy serves people on the fringes who are not being served adequately by legitimate markets. Frankly, if people in Romania can download my books and enjoy them, more power to them. They weren’t going to pay me anyway.
SOPA protects the wrong people
I talked with Nancy Pelosi about SOPA the other day, and she said that the experience with piracy is different for people in the movie industry. Maybe — I’m not a movie producer. But I do know that right now the entire content industry is facing massive systemic changes, and to claim that declining sales are because of piracy is so over the top. Any company that is providing great content online in a way that’s easy to use with a fair price has a booming business right now. The people who don’t are trying to fight that future.
So here we have this legislation, with all of these possible harms, to solve a problem that only exists in the minds of people who are afraid of the future. Why should the government be intervening on behalf of the people who aren’t getting with the program?
SOPA ignores history
If you look at it from a historical perspective, the American book publishing industry as a whole began with piracy; there are lots of documents of Charles Dickens and the like taking a stand against these American pirates who were stealing their work. But America went on to become the largest publishing and copyright market in the world. Once the market matures, the pirates go away. They always do. Legitimate markets work better than pirate markets.
More recently you can see this in what happened with the music industry. For a while, music companies were fighting peer-to-peer file sharing. But once Apple came out with iTunes, which was an alternative that was easy to use and fairly priced, it became a huge business. Our policy makers need to encourage the people who get it right, not protect people who clearly didn’t get it right. They need to protect our future.
Tech and lobbying don’t mix
Certainly, the tech industry needs to do a lot more lobbying in Washington, DC. But the whole notion of lobbying is anathema to so many tech people, and for good reason. We’re used to a world in which people design products that have a purpose, where your work speaks for itself. So yes, the tech industry should try to communicate more with the people in DC, but at the same time, congresspeople need to use more of their own independent judgement.
[Update: O'Reilly has expanded upon the topic of tech industry lobbying in a Google+ post, which can be found here. A portion of his additional comments has been added below.]
For example, when I talked with Nancy Pelosi at [San Francisco] Mayor Ed Lee’s inauguration on Sunday, she assured me that she was opposed to SOPA, but that the bill couldn’t just be voted down because of the concerns of the movie industry. I had this bizarre image of the Google Search Quality team meeting with content farms before rolling out the Panda search update to “take into account their concerns.” In the end, Google was making changes that they knew were in the best interest of their users, and the fact that this would hurt the business of various companies producing low-quality content shouldn’t (and presumably didn’t) enter into the equation.
… This isn’t a matter of simply weighing the concerns of one set of lobbyists against those of another, but using a standard of care and independent judgment about what is best for our society. If Congress isn’t knowledgeable enough to make that determination, they need to be consulting independent experts, not lobbyists for one side or the other.
The US needs tech innovation
Laws like SOPA make us sclerotic as a country, where we have all these extra burdens that provide little benefit. In general it makes America less competitive. If SOPA goes through, it could very well force certain innovative companies to go offshore. There are incumbent industries that will always protest every new technology; but any forward-looking country needs to protect its emerging industries.
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watch the disconnect between government and silicon valley continue … if #ndaa can be passed, so will #sopa .. no one in power cares.
The fix is in, both parties are bought and paid for. Another monster industry of the future forced out of the US. Mission Accomplished.
Of course they care. They care about what will get them voted back in, and who has the money they need to do it – and is willing to give it to them. For a favor, of course.
His first point is spot on. If ebooks for example were more widely available most people would happily buy them. I live in Italy and can’t easily get any ebooks or movies in English without black sources. There are very few consumer items worth massive effort. Spending money on them is effort enough. What prevails in life from the molecular level and up is the path of least resistance.
I gotta admit, I’m wanting to try ebooks. Easy access, no waiting for shipping,etc. But, the prices are insane! Some books are more expensive than the softcover version. Is the publishing industry trying to tell me that the cost of a “real book” is as about as cheap to produce as a digital version? If so, I don’t buy it. Make the prices of ebooks more in line with the true costs of production, including the costs paid to the author, and I’d be more likely to switch to ebooks.
Obligatory Baen library reference here: http://www.baen.com/library/ Publisher’s website offers free downloads or online reading in a variety of formats, free of any cumbersome DRM.
Ebooks are sold at the same price as paper. Authors get double royalties. E-ARC’s are available for those who can’t wait for the editors to go through and fix the typos.
Certainly the ebooks purchased through Baen are never any higher than the cost of the treeware version, and you don’t have to jailbreak the stupid things to read them across a variety of devices.
John, the licensing decisions by publishers are a concern but there is also an aspect of what the Government do. I don’t know about the USA but here in the UK (and possibly the EU in general) there is tax added to e-books and audio books that is not added to print books. Now THAT is insane.
Hello Mr. Campbell,
This is a shot in the dark, but feel free to give one or more of my works a shot–dirt cheap, if you enjoy fiction or poetry:
https://www.smashwords.com/profile/view/jaymouton
Happy reading!
Jay Mouton
I just bought the Kindle Fire for 199.00 which works with Amazon and I have to say that I have found many very affordable 2.00-3.00 books in e form and am loving it as I can carry a library in my pocket and be reading a half a dozen different books and switch between them at the flick of a finger.
I agree…and the cost to do ebooks is so much lower than printed copies…they should be 1/3 of the cost or less. In part lower cost to spread your ideas faster and over larger area (win/win, but requires advanced thinking that older systems were not built for).
I’d never buy and ebook. Not the same as a real book. If an ebook breaks, well, that’s a lot of money wasted. And many ebook ‘books’ are unavailable in certain countries.
As usual, Tim says a bunch of smart-sounding things that have nothing to do with the issue at hand. This makes him a safe guest at conferences, but my boy needs to man up and make arguments supported by facts.
Elaborate, sir.
Yes, Jim. Why don’t you start.
Let’s start with this goofy little platitude: “Any company that is providing great content online in a way that’s easy to use with a fair price has a booming business right now.”
Name ten “booming” content-based online businesses. Even if you can, I’ll bet few of them meet The O’Reilly Standard for “great” and “easy to use” and “fair price” — whatever those highly subjective terms mean.
>my boy needs to man up and make arguments supported by facts.
You should take your own advice ;)
Who are you exactly? can you please elaborate on that BS comment???
Beatport, apple, Netflix, amazon, spotify, etsy, marvel, lovefilm, comixology, makerbot.
Etsy is a content-based business? Huh?
Makerbot? Perpetually out of stock devices that turn creative commons 3D files into lumpy, scratchy plastic? Uh…
Netflix booming? I thought customers and content licensors were fleeing.
Spotify is losing money and artists are bitching they’re not seeing money.
Here’s what David Pakman (eMusic) said about iTunes [AmazonMP3|Movies/Spotify]: “The margins on these businesses are terrible and only at enormous scale contribute any meaningful profit.” Turning the work of artists into hardware sales is clever; but it’s really not part of the piracy discussion. Ask any music exec who got “purchased versus pirated” estimates based on Apple’s inventorying of all iPods via iTunes Match…
The comics stuff is interesting, unfortunately I actually know people in that business. Talk to the artists and say the word “booming” with a straight face, then duck. Better yet, do it over lunch because they can’t afford one.
Ok so you are simply a troll. Your only contribution to the discussion so far is your vitriol-laced opinions. You started by challenging the author to use facts and yet you provide none yourself.
@Rich Slazinsky Tim O’Reilly seems to feel comfortable talking for all publishers in all industries. His argument distills to:
“Any company [that matches my politics] … has a booming business right now.”
This is typical O’Reillian nonsense. O’Reilly himself doesn’t have a booming business. If he did, he’d provide sales figures. Instead he’s using the “I’m gonna talk about everyone else” approach, using absurd generalizations.
Per my previous posts, lots of people with great “content,” priced premium down to free, seem to have trouble making money online. Pretending that everything is booming — or for that matter that said boom (or bust) even has anything to do with SOPA — is misguided.
Back in reality, there are lots of ways to maximize revenue. Not all of them involve meeting pirates and consumers half-way on “Magic Tim’s pricing versus ease of use curve.” These revenue-enhancing options may include:
· Lobbying or otherwise manipulating laws to encourage people to go with your product instead of alternatives
· Externalizing costs that are your responsibility and forcing others to pay them.
· Price fixing with “competitors”
· Stealing someone else’s ideas
· Duping customers with hidden costs, reneging on contracts, refusing to honor sales, rebates, or discounts
· Getting subsidized or bailed out by the government
· Using deceptive advertising, generalizations, or blog posts to imply dire consequences for those who do not believe your political views
And that’s just the sleazy stuff. The less-sleazy stuff includes making efforts to combat theft. So I don’t blame anyone for trying to create laws (even overly broad ones) that facilitate that.
Jim, how in the name of God can anyone tell a pirated MP3 file from one I ripped myself off a CD? And let’s not even get into legally-purchased M4Ps that have been converted into M4As to futureproof them. Or did the RIAA simply assume that all audio files that don’t carry the appropriate signature from Amazon, etc. are pirated? Remember, this is the industry that sued people for sharing Metallica MP3s that actually weren’t Metallica MP3s… some mischievous fellows renamed files to include “Metallica” and “MP3″ in their name and their record company dutifully sued the sharers, despite never bothering to verify whether the shared data was infringing. You honestly want to give the kind of power that SOPA/PIPA grants to these incompetent fools?
SOPA is an initiative of MAFIAA and corrupted politicans. Money is their GOD and politicans are selling their souls for dollars to support few per-mils of population instead of supporting 99% of the rest.
The real thing behind this is to suppress free flow of information. Give them an inch and they’ll take a mile.
That´s the most clear, to-the-point and well written article I have read on the subject. It addresses exactly what is wrong with this legislation, where the real problems lie and downplays the role of piracy, which the big industry players want to pass as some sort of homeland terrorism. Nice job!
You are so correct. Inspite of easy access to movies online and on swap meets for about 2 dollars per pirated movie the movie theaters still fill up. As you put it, people that are willing to pay for a product will do so, those without the cash flow or intention just wont, regardless of availavility online.
I actually disagree with the statement about people pirating because ease of use. I have known many people in my life who have laughed at me for going to the movie theater and paying to see movies, because they are free online. These ” people” don’t see value in quality, they only see value in free.
I am still 100% behind killing this bill, I don’t believe government or corporations should have ultimate authority with out the checks and balances that would keep it fair.
Also, why should people who wouldn’t pay for stuff then get that stuff for free? Wouldn’t that then make people who pay not want to pay so they could get it free as well?
What he said. +1
I agree too the Goverment has their hands into to many things that they don’t need to be. Do there job instead of always wanting more control
Dead on…
This article should be put up in public spaces across America.
Let us as a nation not forget the real issue here.
1. The Federal government offices are suppose to be working for us, the people of the USA.
2. The Federal government have taken control of way too much in our lives.
3. This is just another control avenue on us, the people of the us.
It is of my opinion that the Federal government is out of control in there attempts to control the SHEEPLE of this country and too many of you are just sitting on your thumbs and letting our rights and freedoms slip away from us.
I say we gather up all Federal elected officials, Obama tied in the lead. We publicly Prosecute , Convict, and punish them to the fullest extent of the law !!!!!!!!!!!!
This government is full of trades and Obama it there leader.
I’m against to sopa
I’m with you tom! Now lets start a revolution!
first let me ask as you put hear to many of us are siting on our thumbs. What have or are you doing to correct this issue. Now don’t get me wrong I do agree with you their is a problem and the government is a problem however its not the governments fault it’s ours as Americans when we have a higher turn out to vote for American Idol then we do for the leaders of our country of corse the government will be full of people that have noones instrest at Hart other then their own. Of course when a congress member is offered millions to vote a certain way they will when 90% of the voting population pays no attention to this.
Hi Bob, I will your SOPA awareness app. Tim makes a very valid point. What we are witnessing here are industries who are unwilling to adapt to changing times and will use the excuse of protecting themselves from that 1 to 2% of people who abuse the system to restrict 98% of the rest of us. I’m not a criminal, don’t treat me as such! What made our country strong was that it was built on a certain entrepreneur model, but somewhere in the 80s and 90s, instead of innovating, companies became too big, lazy and concentrated more on business practices than innovation, while the rest of the world is set to take over. The Internet was designed as a free communication platform, period. Back bone providers would like to cash in on it, the entertainment industry would like to restrict it, but it will be self-defeating in the end. What we can do is send letters to our supposed elected officials and voice our discontent. Then we can use an even more powerful tool, spend our money wisely, away from those who tirelessly work daily to squash are diminishing freedom :) Simple, no?
This is a great piece, demonstrating the flaws in SOPA clearly and concisely. It’s a solid argument, and I’m pleased to see it being published today instead of the “Oh look, Lamar Smith had a copyright violation on his website” distraction that seems to have been dominating Twitter the last day or so.
Best point is last one – The US needs tech innovation to attract the best and brightest and keep its business edge.
Kudos to Mr. O’reilly for acknowledging that accessing content by any nondestructive means can generate value – even if not immediately financial – for the copyright holders and for society at large. Not accessing it at all would mean zero value at all, for nobody.
Having access to pirated material/software in the past what I wouldn’t have afforded at the time helped me develop skills that later on allowed me to afford paying for value. I’m still not 100% legit but I’m putting more money back in the system, some times because it’s easier to buy things the right way, sometimes just because it just feels better. It’s true that I’m biased in supporting smaller independent projects.
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greetings from Romania
As long as Hollywood lines the pockets of politicians, expect to see more and more restrictions on what we can do legally.
He brings up a valid point, “If SOPA goes through, it could very well force certain innovative companies to go offshore.” – imagine what Silicon Valley and Bellevue would look like, ghost towns!!!
Interesting op-ed on how #SOPA will hurt NYC’s growing tech industry: :
http://www.thirteen.org/metrofocus/news/2012/01/op-ed-sopa-is-a-threat-to-nycs-growing-tech-industry/
I completely agree the US should protect emerging industries. But we also have to protect intellectual property across all industries. The idea that online piracy is not a problem is false. Not only do rogue sites swipe our products, cyber criminals steal our ideas every day. What do innovative ideas really get you if they are stolen and replicated cheaper somewhere else?
Hollywood does that all the time and I don’t see nobody putting a stop to it.
So, is the law for everyone? I don’t think so.
Anyways as somebody said already, piracy is an excuse, they look to control what we do on the internet, I mean piracy will probably still continue and we will be even more restricted than before, I don’t mind about respecting intellectual property, though I care about my privacy, and so should you.
Welcome to the world of business. Businesses steal the ideas of the public everyday and even from their own employees who are inadequately compensated. Business has been selling out the people who support them for decades now. Since Laissez Faire protects their interests, the public has no control over the lies that business uses to influence them. They say that the public should take responsibility for their action, yet business who has the ability paints a picture for the public that shows there is problem. Business plays off like the public in ignorant, and in some case you are correct. IF you want to sell your product and protect it, then show the public you are responsible to begin with by setting the example. Make these products affordable, stop strong arming the public by taking away their recourses and give those who contribute credit where credit is due. You will see that piracy will disappear through its social culture.
tldr; lobbying needs to stop. all of it. right now. its ruining this and every other nation. money does not make you omnipotent – it just makes you stupid.
You sir, are a frickin genius. Well done
A gamer’s petition to Electronic Arts asking them to publicly oppose SOPA has 120k signatures already: http://www.change.org/petitions/tell-electronic-arts-to-oppose-internet-censorship
I now have a profound and deep respect for the O’Reilly books. Wait to go, Tim!!
I don’t understand. Why dont we start making a little re-architecture of our own. Bitorrent of dns data. Special bittorent client that takes the url you put in the browser, finds it on the torrents, and passes back the ip to the hosts file. Most people visit the same sites most of the time so a functioning and updated hosts file goes a long way to avoiding public dns servers. It makes browsing faster and safer (resistance to MITM attacks).
Politicians’ actions have sidestepped their constituents in favor of their contributors. It’s nothing new-it’s just like corporations putting their shareholders before their customers for short term gains.
Piracy is just a smokescreen to get back in control. CBS complains about piracy of their products, while at the same time their c|net division distributes bittorrent software (see http://download.cnet.com/BitTorrent/3000-2196_4-10211384.html for proof).
What they really want is a return to the days of one-way media, like TV networks were. A few media giants were the main way people got their news and entertainment – movie theaters, TV, newspapers, books, magazines – all one way.
Computers and the Internet are two way devices. So instead of a few places being the source of everything, there are millions. So the dinosaur media are losing control. SOPA and other attempts to restrict the flow of information are an attempt to turn back the clock to the last century and will fail.
Sure, there are commercial pirates and counterfeiters making money off of things, but the best way to catch them is to follow the money, not to stifle free speech for everyone else.
Yeah, so… I’m Romanian and I buy those books.
It wasn’t always like this, but as Alex Popescu already mentioned, the handful of books I haven’t paid for allowed me to develop my skills to the point where I actually afford buying them and more.
Given O’Reilly’s reputation with respect to how it treats its authors (there is a reason why very few choose to do more than a book or two), is it surprising that Tim doesn’t give a rats ass about piracy?
everyone, we MUST stop SOPA. please, sign this petition telling congress to NOT pass this bill. after that, ask your friends to sign as well. we will need every signature we can get to stop this bill http://www.change.org/petitions/congress-dont-pass-sopa
I would actually go further and consider many pirated works a freely distributed promotional copy. In terms of films, many will hit the social networks to say they loved a film, few are likely to mention they pirated/stole it. Wider distribution, network effects with social proof of recommendation likely acting as an endorsement that will lead to further sales and rentals. In terms of books pirated, those who really want access to the knowledge but can not afford it and do not have a convenient library with all your titles in locally, may well in the long term become some of your biggest advocates and best customers after initially pirating. If the knowledge they gained opened the doors to a better future, I would imagine the brand equity would be pretty unbreakable.
O’Reilly won’t be in business in 5 years time. In the past, you wanted the knowledge, you bought the book. Simple equation. Now that the same books are freely available why bother? Hell Tim O’Reilly himself says that “piracy isn’t a problem” – sounds almost like permission!
A pirated book has the same content as the one I could pay $20 bucks for – except I get to keep the $20 bucks and spend it on stuff I have to pay for like gas. I can fill my iPad up for free with hundreds of books that would have cost me thousands of dollars.
If no one pays for books – what’s the worst that can happen?
He was saying that it is not a problem that significantly impacts real sales i.e. in his view, many of the people who pirate would not have bought the book in the first place. I think it likely goes further and will have a positive impact on brand and future sales, whether they be books, ebooks, seminars, conferences, educational videos ad infinitum.
People will often pay for a product which is provides them with true value and will also often recommend the quality they encounter to others. If piracy exposes a greater level of content to a wider audience (not just the short tail of the heavily promoted) then perhaps the exposure will lead to a more diverse and active marketplace.
Nobody will write books.
People from Romania are buying your books as well. The fact is that there are some who prefer to get them from other sources but its irrelevant since I’m sure there are enough US citizens who do the same.
The fact that lobbying is necessary at all, proves that we no longer have fair representation in Congress.
When the Constitution was ratified, we had 1 representative in the House for every 30,000 constituents, and each Senator was appointed by their respective state legislatures. The reality today is far different.
The fact is that having 400 people rule over 400,000,000 is the same as having 1 person rule over 1,000,000. I thought America didn’t believe in having kings?
TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION.
The attempts at censorship of the Internet will continue, with different arguments being used as a justification. The Arab Spring was a sign of what can happen when people are able to communicate their message, and the governments around the world took very good notice of that.
These are all good reasons to oppose SOPA. The one that is much more important to me, though, is the very real possibility that it can be used to go after small blogs and businesses and purge them from the Internet. THAT is the largest threat to any law like this.
It will start with piracy as an excuse, but the real reason behind all this bullshit is having the right to spy on whatever we do on the internet (not like they are not doing it already but with this law they will have an excuse).
Hi, I am from Romania and I buy most technical books from Amazon.
I do not like the generalization that some countries just pirate books.
If O’Reilly produced anything that was pop-culture oriented, instead of computer books with great covers – then maybe he would really feel the wrath of piracy.
The point that comes to my mind is that we have a government that did virtually nothing to help the recording industry shut down the music sharing software one by one over a decade. The industry had to do it themselves. It turns out that nobody really cares if your stuff is being stolen, you have to police it yourself thru the courts. Governments have done little for the movie industry, and nothing for the software industry.
Then along came WikiLeaks, and the US government got to feel the wrath of unauthorized distribution that they still have no way to stop. So, I think that the US government is seeing that the wild-wild-west aspect of file sharing is now something that they care about. I’m betting that some sort of anti-piracy laws will eventually prevail.
I wonder what it was like when people with cars were not required to have automobile insurance, and reckless & damaging behavior was tolerated for a while… but later ended. Like it or not, some sort or orderly or disorderly lawmaking will come to the internet.
I am not poor, but why should I buy O’Reilly’s books? He’s rich anyway. I just Torrented a whole collection of O’Reilly from Europe. Good thing there’s no SOPA.
I can’t understand why politicians draft these laws against public interest. Is it so difficult to get advice of real experts and walk away of lobbyists?
I totally agree with Tim.
I live in Italy and I really can’t get fresh informations about SOPA except that it better protects copyrighted work. Well! There are not only big companies on the market; people not respecting copyright can keep lot of little publishers off the market simply copying its works.
In my mind there are lot of people not from the ‘blog-generation’, that publish articles online since when you coldn’t easily do it without handling HTML, CSS. If they are not journalists they can’t publish on a newspaper. They are simply web professionals whose hope is to get money from their work: they are web _publishers_.
Instead the blog and social-media generation is mostly composed of people who already has their job and also publish texts in internet to became famous: professors, professionals, journalists and simply citizens. To succeed in their goal they need to share the best resources available. They can’t understand the reasons of little publishers. A journalist who will be able to take up a good article from a blog, or site and publish on a newspaper will be a successfull journalist and the little web-publishers simply a plagiarist.
If a little publisher don’t want to share his generic ‘wares’ does not spread them by social media, but, you can see, some great web companies are improving their social war-machines to let people infringe the rules and take part to this wide game. It’s obvious they could not like SOPA. But respecting the rules is a major issue to grant we have a free-trade, in other case the biggest companies get all the market keeping little web-publishers off.
ok people lets boycott the company that support sopa lets boycutt nike lets boy cutt wallmart lets bycutt time warner cable they want to stick it to us lets stick it to them iam disconecting my time wagner cable they can suck my dick fuckin secret comunists
When I first started seeing the TV ads urging people to fight piracy by supporting anti-piracy Gov’t legislation, I knew the whole thing was blown way out of proportion. Have you seen these ads? Haha, who writes this stuff? This truly is the govt’s way of spreading the Online Terrorism hype to Americans.
Tim, good article! I’m a college student and a programmer and I refuse to use torrents and the like just because I choose to support the artist. I also agree with the idea that piracy is a form of advertising. I rarely buy something without first taking a look at what I’m getting. How else can someone get a good product out there so quickly without paying then through piracy?? The way the system works right now even millions of dollars spent on marketing a bad product cannot compete with a low budget good product. Let people steal my stuff because those who choose to become loyal supporters need to see the product before they’ll buy in.
Sure, but the problem is different for every product and the possibile situations too.
If the owner of a top-ranked web-site steal this page (and other blog pages) and put on line on his web site, he can place them at the top of the same search (e.g. in Google). Then he could go to advertisers of other (may be poor-quality) products and tell them to pay the same (or more) to get their wares shown beside this text and comments, all this because more people could reach and read the same page.
If you are really going to tell us where you store your software, I’m sure someone in the web can draw out the source-codes and sell them with a different trademark.
Maybe piracy would also promote but are you sure is the kind of promotion you like?
There are people robbing something to try it, others to get it because they have no money, but many do that to sell your good away and maybe provided with a different trademark. If they have a good re-seller and a good product, they can get a lot of money: One day you could enter a software-house to get a job and could find your product sold for lot of money.
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This is not the world I would like to live in. You can find stealer everywhere, but it is not the right thing to make business with them.
“they need to be consulting independent experts, not lobbyists for one side or the other.”
They should, but that won’t get them campaign contributions.
Tim used to make money off of books, and when he did he might have cared about piracy. But he now makes most of his money from such things as conferences. Including a big developers’ conference for Google. Which explains why he doesn’t (and in fact can’t) support SOPA.
I keep hearing opponents of SOPA claim that it will stifle innovation, but I have yet to hear a single argument which explains how, *exactly*, that would happen. I just keep hearing this sound-scare thrown out into the media space.
I genuinely would like to understand this issue. Currently, I remain neutral as I wait for someone…anyone… to clarify, with cogent and detailed arguments, the fearful claims that SOPA means “less competitiveness” “a stifling of innovation” and “a lack of support for emerging technologies.”
I consider my interests to be entrepreneurial, content-oriented and on the forefront of tech and media innovation, and I just don’t understand how SOPA represents a threat to me– I cannot identify the threat. And, I trust that this something I *need* to understand.
I wish someone could actually explain why I am threatened, rather than just expecting me to assume I am because someone has said so. O’Reilly has said nothing I have not already heard repeatedly, and he does no better a job of clarifying the issue than anyone else I have read.
There is an informational Meetup on Jan 24th in DC regarding SOPA & PIPA. I certainly hope to be in town to attend. Here is the info link for anyone interested: http://www.meetup.com/pipa-sopa/?gj=ej1b&a=wg2_l4
~Sterling Wright
This is the most coherent and well stated argument against SOPA that I’ve read. I’m going to share this EVERYWHERE.
Well I wanted to add that its not just people that aren’t going to pay you but poor class citizens that don’t have a nickle to give you that are struggling to pay their bills and to keep up with rising fuel costs. Increasing power bills. More and More jobs being taken away. Just here both increased by large factors. I was just wondering why they weren’t mentioned. People who download are made monsters of when in fact they give people what they pay billions for for almost free. That free advertisement can not be bought and increases their sales. Those who do download if they like it buy into it either the book or movie or at least merchandise. If a book or a movie bombs its because it sucks and would have bombed if their was no downloading at all. Theirs a reason movie makers take vacations and drive million dollor cars you know. I don’t see why they fight something so hard that INCREASES their sales. If it was taken fully away they would lose their free advertising and lose far more then they gain.
My four Romanian friends here in the US would not agree with Tim’s poor choice of characterization. Like most in Romanians they have integrity.
Tim’s quote “… they need to be consulting independent experts, not lobbyists…” has little chance. Elected people wake-up each day to be concerned about being re-elected. That takes citizen votes and money.
I am a Romanian software engineer and I pay for my books. Mr. O’Reilly, I have a present for you: a few O’Reilly books which I do not want to own anymore after your insulting comments about my people.
America’s innovation nowadays is in litigation, not creating stuff.
What our government doesn’t understand is this and its always been this way. #1 The pirates and hackers will always be several steps ahead of them. They can not stop them period. When they lock something down it just forces more pirates and hackers to come. Second pirates and hackers do it for the sport of it. They still buy stuff like anyone. #3 As long as these forms of entertainment are outrageously priced there will always be a black market. BUt bottom line is this. THe entertainment industry needs to hop to the year 2012 and stop trying to use the same tech from 1920. We are in the digital age when my home theater is much better than the crap in the main theaters and I don’t have to drop $100 to go to the movies with my wife. I don’t remember the last time I went to see a movie. I much rather watch it on netflix, iTunes or stream it over my apple tv. As far as books go. I no longer buy those either. Why? Its just more convienant to download my books or magazines through iTunes and I can look at them when ever I want to. Amazon and Apple are making boat loads of money these days because they understand the tech and where its going. All these dumb laws are going to do is move the stuff they don’t want us to the underground and guess what? We will still get to it. So its really no point. Get at the bigger issue. Trying to stop piracy is a total waste of time. LOL
No wonder if few years down the road you read a news “Mrs. XYZ behind the bars for using the words of Mrs. ABC” !!
Bull***
Mr. O’Reilly makes simple yet profound points in this article. To the people in support of Stop Online Piracy Act I ask: Isn’t the definition of insane “doing the things you’ve always done, yet expecting different results?” This is what many in the recording/film/corporate world are doing. SOPA is encouraging these companies and individuals to NOT innovate. Anyone see the problem here? If America is not innovating, who is going to take the lead? Is that good? Are they already? Kudos Tim on a well thought out article.
Government officials always stand behind the rich lobbyists. They get what they want on the backs of the people who pay for everything. Yes something should be done but why does the government have to stick their nose in to stuff that should be handled by free enterprise.
To address the pirating concerns… It really sounds like most of you guys aren’t pirates… I’m a pirate, and if they close one door, pirates can just build another, shut down napster and there will be a limewire, shut down limewire, there are always torrents, shut down torrents, there will still be direct downloads, shut those down and there will be something else created… There is no way for these people to combat oneline piracy… they don’t have the manpower or the know-how…There has always been a pirate sector in history (online and offline)… and corporations are still rich to this day, because if someone wants something they buy it… period. I have a very firm rule of, if I like something and I want it to continue I support it, so, even though I am a pirate, I still buy lots of stuff…
I said all that to say, even if SOPA passes, I’ll still be pirating… but it will be the more casual internet user effected the most harshly by this. And just as expected, the corporations will continue to make all their money… the only one adversely affected is the casual user of the internet… please if you value the internet attempt to defeat SOPA.
Well if you think piracy is not a problem, you are just turning a blind eye. I just saw someone today selling pirated movies out of a large packed full suitcase. Better look again.
Pollyanna is alive and well. SOPA is certainly an offensive piece of regulation but the alternative legislation by Wyden and Issa is a well-considered alternative. The status quo is not.
To the Romanians that have responded, I’m sure Tim just picked a country at random and did not intend it to come across as you’re all thieves. He could have easily said Nigeria, or Korea, or Australia.
I have pirated almost all of his books, and still end up buying those that I find to be useful and of good value to me. Now college textbooks… pirate everyone of those, they are insanely priced and of no real value after the class (except a few IT courses that use things like Tim’s books). There are a few places that “rent” textbooks at reasonable rates for 6 months (longer than I need) and those I’ll give my money to, if it’s actually a value.
How about movies… I’ve watched leaked and pirated copies of movies, and if it’s good I’ll go see it at the theater to get the whole movie experience… if it sucks (like most Hollywood movies do these days) I won’t waste my time. Most movies I watch now are Korean (where I now live) as they still know how to tell a story and not just blow things up.
He is correct.
I still enjoy going to the movie theater for the ambiance.
And whether it is a matinee or late evening showing the place has a nice amount of customers in and out. The people who are actual pirates never pay for anything anyway. But like the offline criminals they are a small percentage of the total population and creating laws to restrict normal citizens will not help that. It will be just like a lot of the so called ‘cracking down’ on real world criminals. Or that Patriot Act nonsense. The normal law abiding citizen has to jump through hoops while the screwballs still get their way because they recognize no authority or law.
A group of wealthy people who want to pass the point of inundating us with ads and commercials to actual control everything we get to experience. But this move is no surprise.
The problem is that a lot of people in DC are old fogies that either don’t have internet, don’t use it or are still using dialup to check their email on AOL… Does anyone truly believe any people sitting up there on their high horses give a crap about tech? It’s all about money and who will give them the most to support a cause… BLAH BLAH BLAH…. Our country boasts how it’s so advanced, with a government who is in the ice ages when it comes to anything currently relevant.
http://www.baen.com/library/intro.asp
I don’t know if Tim got some of his ideas from this but they certainly sound similar in context. For those that say pirating is a huge problem read this. If it doesn’t change your mind then nothing will.
What an idiot. “Piracy is not a problem”???? Have you taken a look at the music industry any time recently? Most people don’t think about it, but even Youtube is piracy on a massive scale… pick your favorite song by any artist & look it up there. I guarantee you can listen there for free without ever having to pay the artist a single penny. Yeah, that’s real honest justice & business…
http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=%2F&gl=US#/watch?v=up863eQKGUI
Anyone ever have to watch this in school? I remember 5th grade, don’t copy that floppy! Lol, kept me from piracy, until it became to easy to download songs for free.
I couldn’t have had said it better myself!
I’ve heard that wikipedia won’t be available for a day to raise awareness about potential impact of SOPA. I would recommend the major search engines to shut down for 12 hours with a message like this: as the search results may contain pointers to the copyrighted material, searching has been turned off to avoid potential lawsuits related to SOPA. <my English is far from perfect, but the general idea should be clear. Even 6 hour backout – if all major players agree to do that – would make a huge impact.
Shut down google,bing,wikipedia, twitter for 12 hours. That my friend is a great idea. People will get the point if it affects them. Want to read a free book- go to the public library. Are libraries pirating books and movies? No, they are buying them and sharing the information to subscribers that have a library card. Hey, lets shut them down too.
I agree with you a little however I am a technical support agent and 12hrs without Google would make a very hard day. But I do agree it would put the point across. But I don’t think BING would go for it as I would bet Microsoft is loving the idea of SOPA
a company may spend millions on advertising and completely miss that piracy is the best advertising you can get. If someone takes the time to steal your product, then it is probably worth having. Sure, it may be three versions later before they buy it, but the reason they know how to use it and want to buy it is because they used the free version first.
Some piracy/advertising is clearly good for companies.
Dropping a bomb here:
If SOPA included a provision that ANY company legaly selling anything, and that does not honor the implied or real contract with the client (e.g. an entertainment industry giant selling tickets to a film which is not entertaining), the government would have to shut down the company and distribute the proceeds to its customers.
Oh, and lets start with Monsanto since they have more than once broken the law.
I like it. No mindless argument here, all good. Thank you!
I am against SOPA and PIPA, but piracy is real and hurts the producers of content. Book piracy is different from music or video piracy. A cd or DVD can easily be ripped and distributed to millions, while a physical book would need to be scanned, and- despite the enthusiasm of Kindle and Nook readers- most people don’t have eBooks. As a college student, the majority of my friends regularly freely acquire full albums of music, and burn DVDs to share with friends. My friends aren’t the Romanian under-served fringe, they’re middle class young Americans, depending on an increasing sense of entitlement that everything be free.
Im really not intrested in this. Thanks
no i dont think privacy is an issue
dont touch craigslist
Please comply
If you don’t want to see smoething or read something. DON’T Go There, Don’t Tell Other People There WRIGHTS..
wth all i wnna do is use craigslist, it makes life easier
That right
Sopa is corporate/government bs at its best. Its a completely unnecessary policy aimed at increasing the profit margins of big business.
please i like using craigslist and many other sites, for my home buisness, thank u.
pls spread the word
It sucks big companies are trying to get rid of the most resourceful places we have to use. Whether its saving money finding information or buying cheaper parts or cars!!!
I am a young,white,single female mother of 3 plus 1 stepson who I also have raised mainly alone,times r tough these days,to go driving from place,to place filling out job applications,noone can afford the gas. So some women such as myself only have things like these to count on. To find jobs,child care,housing,utility bill help,a friend! I use this site alot,for many reasons,main reason is to help me find higher paying jobs,so I can someday get my children,n I,out of poverty!! So don’t take something away many already count on for everyday life!!!
y cant yall leave things alone
Against
I like craigslist i think it helps the economy in a way jobs,apts,people selling belongings to make a liveing they could be out robbing and killing people i want to keep craigslist
I do not belive they should pass this bill. All I can say is it would be a mess.
What the fuck is your guys problem taking off cl leave cl alone You dam Obama devils you are all going to hell for making the world so hard to live in
Ask your self this? We did fine without craigslist and all of them. The internet has put so many people out of business. there is so much fraud. Its out of control.you think these people that run goodle or craigslist really care about you? Come on American wake up. The country is going to shit. we should keep money in our towns we live in.
It is what it is!
Stupid
The tech industry isn’t lobbying this?
oh PLEASE…
If google can block access to child pron and illegal weapons information and other illegal activity (and they can, and do) they can block access to torrent sites and piracy.
They don’t WANT to, so they say the requirement would be “onerous”.
Traffic is traffic to them. Their “content” is other people’s livelihoods, being taken without permission.
SOPA would be unnecessary if google et al would simply do what’s right without being forced.
It’s not Google place to decide what I should and should not see online. It’s not Google job to monitor what people are downloading, legal or otherwise Google should not have to take the financial cost to prevent illegal downloads so that others can make money. Truly think about it this way if you owned a business and where told you had to hire X about more employees so a nether businesses would lose less money is that fair?
Instead businesses that are so called losing money based on piracy should rethink their prices and what value they are giving you for it. I for one like the convenience of having moves on my pc and playing them to my tv but will never understand why it cost me the same amount to buy a movie in store where their is the extra cost of the dvd the case the shipping to get it to the store and a downloaded copy from zune where their is no extra cost why not pass that savings on to your customers.
Speechless !!
His first point is spot on. If ebooks for example were more widely available most people would happily buy them. I live in Italy and can’t easily get any ebooks or movies in English without black sources. There are very few consumer items worth massive effort. Spending money on them is effort enough. What prevails in life from the molecular level and up is the path of least resistance.
I never heard of Tim O’Reilly before this PIPA and SOPA thing came around, and I wanted to read what he had to say, and you all know what? He is 100% correct.
Ever heard of Steam? Steam is itunes for video games (actually Steam cloud came out before itunes) and I don’t consider myself a “gamer” but I have over 100 games because they are so affordable now. Before I used to pirate games because they are so expensive (no sorry, video games are not worth over 30 dollars). I also pirated video games because I bought few that looked great, but when played where horrible. Not to mention I bought 1 where the anti-piracy program stopped me from playing the game I legally bought because it was detecting another program it did not like.
Ru serious on this Cl is not making any money for the website, so u just want to abolish it altogeter. WRONG..
Our U.S government will be the ruin of of our society,freedoms and greed especially secrecy will be the death of us all.
I think putting a stopo to craigslist is a waste of time when there r more serious matters that need to be fixed in the world. Craigslist gives me a way to make extra money selling things i dnt need that someone else could use or just want. I got a job cuz of craigslist, ive gotten my children great things cuz of craigslist and i owe a huge thanks to craigslist bcuz i have even been able to get free things ppl are trying to get rid of to ppl who r less fortunate who can use what they want to give away. So to the ppl who want craigslist gone they should get a better freaking job and quit trying to pribe a grt thing frm good ppl. Thank you craigslist. Witout u i would of never found a place qwho wux hiring.
i feel there r some good point but i fell sopa website need to stay if your kid os on here really tgat site not people under age 16 on or adult of tgis website you just need to be more caution on ur end .look for any flaw or anything before you should be so eagar to let people in ur house or visit anybody so i think craiglist and o
If Government takes on the laissez faire positioning with business, then why are they not letting laissez faire do its job. This article made a very valid point and brings up a key element to the purpose our economic controls. If the public finds that there is a fair market, they will collaborate and contribute accordingly.
Business should not be allowed to strong arm the public in the sole interest of business. They should not be allowed even more power to control of the public through eliminating one of the public’s voices (these products are impractically priced) and examples (by showing their interest and demand). Now, ask yourself, why business would want to take away this type of control? Then answer yourself the question: how constructive would it be to allow business to gain a foothold over this public voice when our government vows not to intervene on business practices?
If they want piracy to stop, then lower the prices and increase availability so that the public can enjoy the luxuries of life without having to steal them. What is next, water? Remember that the fool wasn’t paid to entertain in the past, now people cannot afford to be entertained while the fool makes more money than the king. Something is seriously wrong with our system and giving the fool more is definitely no way to solve the problem.
I am a die hard craigalist fan and im proud to say im agianst sopa realy what would happen if major websites like craigalist and google are gone I mean these are like 2 of the most popular sites and I cant imagine a day with out them
Fight the good fight
I use CL for my Business this is a against are civil rights, the rights to free speech, where are we living China
i agree
I will never buy another NEW movie anywhere and I am done with walmart, They are getting too big and to strong and very dangerous..
i vote no
That is wrong
please do not applay it is not good thank you
Hello Mr. Campbell,
This is a shot in the dark, but feel free to give one
They should keep craiglist as a web site because people look for jobs and cars everything is good about craiglist thank you
Leave Craigslist alone
This(like so many OTHER things congress does)is just a fancy name for MUTINY! The web is OUR country!!!
I vote no
Don’t do it
It’s all about the money, Simple! The Hill has been paid off by the lobbyist groups along with the NEWS originations. The entire Hill needs to be voted out and all new people put in. Send the message that “We The People” run this country not the banks.
Why do you want to do that
I say away with SOPA, it’s just another form of oppression,and is highly overrated,just what America needs more regulations why? ask WHY
Once again government doesnt have enough control so they make up some false truthes to get control. So done with american government. Time to speak up people
I for one am in FAVOR of punishing sites that are easy for piracy of copywrited materials. Why should someone spend time to make something only to have someone else give it away?
Very well put!And BTW Tim is dead on!What is user talking about? Jim… Tim has every fact to back up his argument correctly? Is your brain wandering off to a place/argument that all of us are not aware of? Name droppers can get in troubleand is subjective at best unless Tim took the time to investigate Forbes and top ranking sites then this takes the argument to the issue not at hand.
SOPA is an initiative of MAFIAA and corrupted politicans. Money is their GOD and politicans are selling their souls for dollars to support few per-mils of population instead of supporting 99% of the rest.
The real thing behind this is to suppress free flow of information. Give them an inch and they’ll take a mile
Why? We all need to wake up and fight for are rights..
I love craiglist. I don’t know why sopa would wanna shut down craiglist. I use it everyday. I’m against it. Leave it the way it is
And this is not just about craigslist… I am an ebay seller and this effects sellers/buyers alike. It is about ebay, yahoo stores, ecrater, any independently owned store you may buy an item from you want at a fair price not set by company/rights owner standards alone.
My facebook post this am (and btw facebook will be at risk too for all you twitters and facebookers…)
SOPA/PIPA- NIKE, MONSTER CABLE, LOUIS VUITTON GROW UP! SERIOUSLY, YOU GREEDY SOB’S, ONLINE PIRACY IS NOT THE LEGIT PROBLEM YOU PROFESS IT TO BE? MY ? ARE YOU GONNA START DRIVING YOUR COMPANY VEHICLES W/ RIGHTS OWNER IN TOW AND START POPPING GARAGE SALES AND ARRESTING HOUSEWIFE FOR SELLING YOUR PRODUCT AND STEALING YOUR PROFIT? GIVE ME A BREAK!!
Taxes, that is the big selling point for the government here. If you allow books, music, movies, or anything else to be downloaded for free, or even cheap, the government does not get their cut. If you own a gas station, just try to give away your gas. You will have to pay the taxes on the product you give away at a price set by the government, since your customer did not. If you charge less for ebooks, the government makes less money. iTunes success is due to the fact that they make more money selling a single song than they do if they sell an entire album. You still pay the taxes, so the gov is happy. Anytime that you decentralize distribution, the tax revenue goes down, if nothing else than by the inability to collect taxes in a timely manner, if at all. They do not like that.
I agree, why this article should be put up in public spaces across America.
Where is the freodom of expersion? shouldn’t it exposed to the people to decide?
Why’I think it is stupid’”that’s WHY’ WHAT HAPPENED TO FEEDOM,
“WHAT WHY”
Mike Buckle, Its just another way for this Government to keep us as a society in the dark. If you don’t want you music or what ever taken, then sell it somewhere else. No more regulations that hinder our communication with each other. Government< STAY out!
Craigslist is what we look at for cars and trucks and a lot of things I so I would be against taken down Craigslist if I’m understanding right
SOPA shouldn’t be able to touch not for profit sites!
It’s not right we should have a right to have what ever site we want on the internet
If HR 3261 would happen, where would it go from there. Nothing but more socialism? “I am afraid”
Thank you for putting my concerns in much more thoughtful words that I would have used.
in my opinion i think i f you want someone to buy something instead of pirating them give them an example of it first to see if they like it that way if they don’t either way they won’t want to have it but if they do like it and want to pirate it make the computer companies automatically put it on the bill so they can’t pirate it or they think they are but they are really paying for it. You don’t have to eliminate the websites to stop it because no matter what if there is another website that they want something on they are still going to pirate it. Don’t know if this will help
whats next? are they going to try to make me buy bottled spring water rather then me walk out to my natural spring and get it myself? the american people need to stand up and remind these sob’s who they work for and who pays for thier millon dollar homes. everyone of these sob’s from the 1st day in office should be trained with a dog collar before there is a 2nd civil war that is if they dont try to take away our bullets to our guns first.
It’s not right
Whats your doing here is the very same thing ,that your advertiser is objecting too.
By forcing a viewing of any information by surversion.
Robert L.Grisham(The Hammer And Nail)
Craigslist is the number#1
I think your wrong Craigslist is a great way for people who cant afford the big things in life and I personally know alot of people who love this site so please don’t band it.
Banding Craigslist is probably the worst thing that can be done its alot easier for people to buy what they want and cheap.
Shame on You!
Wtf is this don’t we have bigger problems then this? Wow looks like we have awsome planers
Brilliant. We need more reasonable humans running the show. Going to look into his books after reading this :)
What’s more irritating is everytime I open a site you guys pop up. Since you have this authority why not inform the public to open their eyes and not their Ipods. Get off the phone and go outside. You will find it’s too hot and the sun is too bright. You want to blame corporations when our Government doesn’t set up restrictions; enabling these guys to produce trash and leaving few options for the public. I hope they do censor this more so people pay less attention to the distractions and more attention to the REALITY of global warming…a biosphere that is 3/4 water shouldn’t be altered or it will die. Why not free the water and quit polluting.
Stop SOPA
just let us look for jobs housing etc leave us alone
Stop this sopa crap is only another fu$%&# law in favor of the Goverment.
Welcome to the world of Big brother! If u have ever read this book that is what has happened to us. Soon we will have no say no control of what even goes on in our own home. The goverment will soon be tell us what we can and can’t do in our own homes. These big corperates think because they have money and power they can decide what can be on the internet. Bullshit this is suppose to be the land of the free.What has happened to all our rights? the ones all our men and women are fighting for. Please some one HELP!!!!!!!!!
dam this sound serious?? what can i do??
what’s this country coming to A Dictatorship??
completely ridiculous way of robbing the U.S. citizens of their independent rights.
I am against curtailment of free speech, and I believe that SOPA and PIPA are not good for the freedoms we enjoy on the internet. We need better legislation that will address copyright issues without giving the government and big business a legal weapon with which to subdue us all.
However, I take issue with the statement that “online piracy is not a problem”. I am a musician. When I was younger people actually bought records. Now people can download entire libraries of copyrighted recordings for free. It’s easy. I know plenty of teenagers as well as adults that can and do. It is a problem. The only way to sell CDs these days is at a live show. Almost all the record stores are gone. Booksellers may feel safe from this sort of thing for now, but I predict as Kindle and similar devices become more common that will change. The underlying problem is this: if people can’t get paid for writing books and making records, eventually those pursuits will decline. It will be everybody’s loss. In our quest to ‘save the internet’ let’s not forget to save intellectual property rights.
I am against curtailment of free speech, and I believe that SOPA and PIPA are not good for the freedoms we enjoy on the internet. We need better legislation that will address copyright issues without giving the government and big business a legal weapon with which to subdue us all.
However, I take issue with the statement that “online piracy is not a problem”. I am a musician. When I was younger people actually bought records. Now people can download entire libraries of copyrighted recordings for free. I know plenty of teenagers that can and do. It is a problem. The only way to sell CDs these days is at a live show. Almost all the record stores are gone. Booksellers may feel safe from this sort of thing for now, but I predict as Kindle and similar devices become more common that will change. The underlying problem is this: if people can’t get paid for writing books and making records, eventually those pursuits will decline. It will be everybody’s loss. In our quest to ‘save the internet’ let’s not forget to save intellectual property rights.
Against Sopa
Don’t change anything
leave these websites alone.
I am still confused about how this bills will affect us? Will this bills allow govt to take down/block any website w/o any explanation like China? How as the end user is affected? Or it’s just Google who is controlling all the content that people want to see? If Google does not show a website in their search result how will ppl know about it? Google is killing small time online vendors who’s store don’t show up if they don’t pay Google. Ain’t that true? Search for some goods and Amazon is always on top.
its wrong, bottom line
This is ALL ridiculous. We do NOT live in a communist world!! Its nobodys business what I or anyone else does online and I RESENT the intrusion. Read the dam constitution and leave America’s rights alone!!
we need cragislist I have no other way of getting my world out there please put it back on samantha
No comments
This is just crazy!
I agree
We need websites like this. It is free and great for communication.
This guy obviously doesn’t know any musicians. We are being decimated by piracy and culture will collapse and you will end up with an amateur culture if those who devote their lives and genius can no longer make a living at it. There is no way to stop piracy except via legislation and SOPA is narrowly targeted and google is making a bloody fortune off of it.
The freeloader phenomenon is a simple phenomenon that even occurs in bacteria — too many freeloaders bring down entire communities. The creative community is being destroyed just like the rain forests. Culture and nature, the best things we humans have. All because of human greed, wanting something for nothing. You can’t go into a store and just steal what you want, yet you think our work should be freely stolen while others like Google make billions off of it.
http://musictechpolicy.wordpress.com/2012/01/02/the-mtp-interview-indie-film-maker-ellen-seidler-on-how-us-companies-profit-from-piracy-on-rogue-websites/
http://www.copyhype.com/2012/01/copyright-and-the-first-amendment-the-unexplored-unbroken-historical-practice-part-4/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Copyhype+%28Copyhype%29
This fellow is obviously an ignorant idiot who doesn’t interact with musicians or filmmakers at all. We are being decimated by piracy — 98% of all music “consumed” is pirated and we don’t see a dime from it although Google and the advertisers and the pirate sites make billions. Our industry and the film industry is collapsing because of the cheater phenomenon — too many freeloaders destroy a community, and the creative community is being destroyed just like the rainforests are. We are losing culture along with nature. Since we creatives are a tiny minority, these folks gladly throw us under the bus, as they think we will make recordings anyway, even though it now costs us more to make one than we make back. Orchestras are suspending making recordings. Some have gone under. Artists are withholding making records — why? So voracious greedy bastards can just steal it, while even greedier bastards make loads of money off of it? Meanwhile, we operate at a loss. It is the apex of the same callous relationship that society has with its artists.
These knuckleheads are being way over hyperbolic. The legislation is narrowly targeted and will not do anything like what they say. It will help stop piracy, period. But people want it for free! I’ve gone back and forth with these types on numerous occasions and they are jealous of artists and think we should be enslaved. If they could go into a supermarket and just take food and leave with it, they would do it. They steal because they CAN, that’s all. And now they believe they have a RIGHT to!
Read/see the following and you will understand why I think this guy is a raging moron and working to kill culture, as well as personal first hand experience of the effects of piracy. The filmmaker explains what it’s like trying to stop it with the current tools available. It is impossible.
http://musictechpolicy.wordpress.com/2012/01/02/the-mtp-interview-indie-film-maker-ellen-seidler-on-how-us-companies-profit-from-piracy-on-rogue-websites/
http://www.copyhype.com/2012/01/copyright-and-the-first-amendment-the-unexplored-unbroken-historical-practice-part-4/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Copyhype+%28Copyhype%29
Can you hear us Congress?
PROTECT our Industries, not another burden that provides little benifit like
SOPA. REALLY? More or less? I live in
Oregon now and I am Proud I have A
Rep. like Ron Wyden (D-Or).
just leave internet alone
Government needs to stop taking right away from us
I PERSONALLY THINK THE GOVERMENT SHOULD MIND THEIR OWN BUSINESS,THE CANT RUN A COUNTRY.THEY ARE JUST AFRAID WE MIGHT TAP INTO THEIR MILLION DOLLAR UNDER THE TABLE MONEY. THE BIGGEST CROOKS IN THE COUNTRY WORRIED ABOUT THE LITTLE CROOK. SEND THEM ALL BACK HOME, MAKE A NEW SET OF LAWS FOR WASHINGTON AND SEND ALL NEW FACES TO WASHINGTON WHO [WE THE PEOPLE CAN KEEP HONEST] MAKE THEM TAKE A PAY CUT OR PAY THEM FOR WHAT THEY DO, THAT WOULD BE NOTHING. THEY ARE ALL SORRY AND I MEAN ALL. SEND ME UP THERE,THEY WOULD HANG ME THE FIRST WEEK. THANK YOU
this is our internet we pay for it ! when you all get ready to pay my bills you can decide what i go to on internet !!! end of story !!!!!
This must not be ignored. We the People of the United States must take afirm stand and protect the internet. it is our freedom to have. High profile politicians need to be put in their place and back off.So i call on u citizens of the internet make your stand.
TIM O’ RIELLY IS THE DEVILS CHILD.
go listen to alex jones podcast…for free and get the big picture and see what they’re really trying to do behind the scenes passing all these laws….its about Mass Control.
I agree with Mr. O’Reilly, except on one point. He says that pirates are unlikely to buy the product on the legitimate market anyway, so what’s the point? I take issue with this. I am a pirate, and I’d say about 95% of the stuff I pirate, I go on to purchase. I don’t pirate so I can avoid paying for a movie or TV show or CD that I want to see or listen to; I pirate so I can watch the movie or listen to the album in order to decide whether I like it BEFORE I shell out my money for it. If I do like it, there is a 100% chance that I will go out and purchase the DVD or CD. The only time I pirate something WITHOUT buying it in the future is when I don’t like it. So actually, companies are making money by my pirating, because if I didn’t first pirate their product, I would not, I repeat, I would not buy it. Sometimes when I pirate a movie I like, I will not only buy the movie, I will also buy the soundtrack and book, if there is one, so that’s three purchases they’ve gotten because someone “stole” their product.
What I’m saying is, pirating, for me, is a test run, to see if I like a product enough to purchase it. I may be in the minority there, but these big movie and music companies are getting at least one customer because of piracy.
So what happens now,if i play a cd on a radio in public I can be held for copyright infringement or if I DVR a movie on cable and my neighbors sees part of it,because I forgot to close the drapes I’m going to be in trouble? If copyright infringement was such a big deal why then years ago like in the 1980′s you could buy a portable radio otherwise known as a boom box in a store with recording capabilities? You could actually record songs as they played on the radio or you could copy tapes from your friends collection. Why didn’t the RIAA stop that then? What about if you borrow your friends dvd of a new movie? This piracy bill is BS this is just a excuse to censor what people put on the internet, the Government does not want things like Occupy happening again or some other protest that might threaten the machine. The politicians just want you to be good little boys and girls and let them tell you whats best for you.They want to stop you from making your own decisions, just listen to them it will be all right.This bill must be stopped,if it isn’t it will just lead to bigger things which will take more of your rights away. We are losing our rights little by little. Wake up people don’t be fooled by political BS. Stop SOPA and PIPA now. Don’t let the crooks in Washington destroy more of our Constitution!
Several studies have consistently shown that 85 – 95% of all music is pirated. Please don’t tell me that is not a problem. The music industry, what’s left of it, is dying, and as an independent musician, I know many artists who are adversely affected by piracy.
And please stop the lie that most all of the piracy occurs in Romania and the like. I used to work at a car dealership in Texas and nearly everyone I knew bragged about not having to pay for their music catalogs on their smart phones because they got it all for free. I’m sure your well-to-do friends pay for a lot of their books, etc. but I have first hand experience seeing regular working Americans getting their music for free — because THEY CAN! It’s so easy right now, why would they pay.
Something has to be done about piracy so that artists, producers, sound engineers, recording studios, actors, etc in the entertainment industry has a chance to get paid for their products, just as every other industry has the right to get paid.
60 minutes had a great program on piracy and the film industry and showed how piracy is so rampant that mthe movie industry has changed for the worse. One example of decreased revenues is that cutting edge (and expensive to produce) movies like The Matrix would never get produced today because anything other than a proven winner on a safe subject doesn’t get the funding.
(By the way, I am not saying I support SOPA because I don’t know enough about it, but your article is dead wrong on several points).
Wow 85%-95% of all music is pirated, this sounds like a good thing for the music industry to have so many people downloading their music becoming fans wow I bet they may even end up being tickets to their shows and buying their merchandise, but we live in a world where people always need more your right music is suffering last time I saw mtv cribs it looks like the music industry is in trouble only 8 cars in the garage of a 10 bedroom house that 1person lives in ya the pirate active online has truly hurt then
. And, how know what you will say now but what about us little guys just trying to get started I say encourage people to pirate your music get your name out their the more downloaded the better then mabe you can gain enof fans to have a big full concert and you can make money on ticket sales and merchandise all because people pirate and your name got out given it makes for some hard times waiting to get big but it works
OK mabe I am the only one that thinks this way but piracy is NOT a problem.Yes many if not all of us are guilty of downloading a move or mabe even some music,But let’s look at this a different way first Hollywood, make moves that people want to own not ones that they will wach 1 time. I know I have several box sets for some of my favorite moves, now ask why did I not just downloaded them well I wach them a lot and like having them on display, Next the music industry everyone if you at one time where a nobody. So most likely, like many small bands I know handed out cds.Ones that you payed real out of pocket for. Just to get your name our.Now your big and you think each copy of your song should be payed for why don’t you make your real money from tours and if more people that otherwise would not have got your music at all are now fans waiting in line to buy tickets then that’s a help.
The Internet is is the new way of marketing and yes it means somethings become potentially free. So what dose this mean to Hollywood the music industry, and software development. Make your product worth paying for. Use the fact that people are listing or watching or using you products from downloaded sites to sell merchandise. Nice box sets for dvds can’t be downloaded same with music. Use the fact that people are downloaded as free advertisement for merchandise. Don’t start taking down the web. Don’t try using this to gain power over us all. That what this is complete power.
This also brings me back to thinking occupy wall street agin a moment that had a good point and no follow through. The rich buying our congress to pass a bill that hurts us all but will make the rich more money.
The truth is company’s Apple as well as many others are not going to allow small Tec businesses to grow if they feel in time they may take a lose.Look at the lawsuits of Apple vs Android, big companies like this want no competition,
The real question becomes how much money and power do you truly need on top. For many Americans if they did not pirate you move, music, program they would not have had it at all because you have all they can’t afford to buy evry movie or song they like. So make your product better and they still may end up supporting you.
Whether or not you agree with me or not on piracy something I say legislation is the right move you must see and truly think where this bill will lead and it’s nowhere good.
I am writing in behalf of Sopa trying to get rid of web sites like http://www.openmikes.org.This is a great web site for poets,comics and musicians.Musicians like myself like performing in Open Mic nights because they want their songs to be heard.Plus it helps keep venues continue doing Open Mic as long as the venue is making money.Paul Roub and I never met,but have chated by e-mail quite a few times.It’s not easy to put up a web site and exspect that everybody knows all about it.I beleave that Paul Roub does an excellent job keeping his web site going and also helps keep Live Music going as well!So Sopa can leave http://www.openmikes.org alone.There is no crime about having an Open Mic web site for the whole world to see!
THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU! These Is No Need to Change Anything. Piracy is hardly a real issue, these movie stars and music stars are STILL MAKING MONEY with or without the piracy. and For companies to somehow make claim like its stopping them from making Money is Ridiculous. Selling items online is no different than me just having a yard sale for the crap I no longer want or need.
Give Us Our Freedom! Set Us Free! Why Must Corporations Feel The Need TO Have Control! Move to a Commy Country If Control Is Really THAT Important To You! Gah! -_-
Interesting. While I have concerns being in an industry that needs protection from burglary or piracy of intellectual property, I think it’s important that folks see this bill for what it really is. Unfortunately many people dismiss things before their eyes when dirty words like ‘conspiracy theory’ pop up, but when all the pieces are put together in a bowl in front of you, it becomes readily apparent what kind of salad you really have. The US govt has been veying for an “internet kill-switch” for some time now, and this bill – under the guise of copyright protection – is the means in which conglomerates are trying to achieve that. If you look at the testing theater grounds of the middle east last year where social media became the common citizens weapon of choice and essentially only defense, it’s clear as day that big brother cannot rule by fist when all forms of communication by those being ruled cannot be controlled. But in western society unlike the middle east and other areas, this cannot be force-fed, the citizens wouldn’t stand for it. They have to convince society they want it and it’s for their best interest. The reality is though, that there are lawyers and legal systems for individuals and companies to help protect and remedy themselves in individual and on a case by case basis. It’s a shadow game that really has almost nothing to do with copyright protection. Couple all aforementioned comments with the new NDAA bill that passed in the black of night on NYE and the recent and ongoing comments by J. Neopolitano [sic], and that paints a very disturbing picture of where this world is headed if people do not speak up and protect their narrowing avenues of free speech and communication.
long live pirate bay. they are gonna filter our internet, but guess what will go untouched?? major business advertisements. if this passes, i guess im just gonna have to really STEAL my stuff. thanks gov
“But the vast majority of customers are willing to pay if the product is widely available and the price is fair”.
Wrong. The inclination to pirate grows every day as the costs of hard assets that cannot be pirated grows. In fact, given a world of 7 billion people and a developed/developing world of 4.5 billion – the inclination is fast becoming an imperative.
“If SOPA goes through, it could very well force certain innovative companies to go offshore”
Again, wrong. These industries are already moving offshore for cost reasons. And they are moving to places like Turkey and China where there is actually quite a lot of government intervention.
Your posting is nothing but propaganda, Tim, and clumsy propaganda at that.