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Forrester CEO George Colony reignited a minor firestorm recently by saying “the web is dead” and the app ecosystem is replacing it. Others, however, argue that the open web has benefits that apps do not have, and that losing these features would have serious consequences.

George Colony, the chairman and CEO of Forrester Research, re-ignited a minor firestorm recently, with a presentation at the LeWeb conference in which he argued that the web is dead, and being replaced by the app economy — with mobile and smartphone apps that leverage the cloud or other services rather than the open web. That sparked some strong responses from longtime open-web advocates such as RSS pioneer Dave Winer, who argued that apps are not the future, and others who compared them to the “interactive” CD-ROMS of the 1990s. Do apps necessarily mean the death of the web, and if so doesn’t that mean we are losing something important?

Colony (whose presentation is here and slides are here) argued that the “app Internet” is the future in part because of the continuing increase in computing power — both in the cloud, where giant server farms store and process our data, and in the devices we hold in our hands (in the 1990s, according to Forrester, the iPad2 would have been one of the most powerful computers in the world). But bandwidth hasn’t kept up with these changes, said Colony, and therefore the web as we know it has to give way to a world of apps that process and display the data coming from services in the cloud.

Closed systems are great if you own the platform

This may sound like a great world if you are an app developer — or if you are a key part of the app economy the way that Apple and other platform providers such as Facebook and Google are. Apps are useful because they allow you to control the experience your users have down to the tiniest detail, and also because they give you a channel with which to offer them things they might pay for, whether that’s the app itself or the content or service you get through it (games, reviews, newspaper content, etc.). If you are Facebook, you get a direct channel to the players of those Zynga games or the social-reading apps that media companies have launched.

But not everyone thinks this is a great world to live in: Winer, for example, says this app ecosystem is like a series of disconnected silos of information — silos that work only with a specific service or platform, and that in many cases can’t even link to other apps or to content outside their own silo. As Winer put it:

[I]f I can’t link in and out of your world, it’s not even close to a replacement for the web. It would be as silly as saying that you don’t need oceans because you have a bathtub. How nice your bathtub is. Try building a continent around it.

Web veteran John Battelle of Federated Media made a similar argument in his response to Colony, saying the app ecosystem has benefits, but that it still doesn’t offer most of the things that he associates with the open web — and if the “app Internet” replaces the web but doesn’t develop those features, then as far as he is concerned the web might as well be dead. Like Winer, the Federated Media founder said that the most important of those features is the fact that the web is based on open standards, so websites can easily interoperate and exchange data. Apps, by contrast, are walled gardens that can only talk to each other if the platform owner allows it.

Is the web dead, or is it just evolving?

As Winer noted in his post, this theme has come up before — and will likely come up again. The last time it reared its head was last year, when Wired magazine ran a cover story arguing that the “web is dead” and the app economy is taking over (although it used a somewhat misleading graph of web traffic to make this argument). Among the responses to the issues raised in the story was one from the web’s creator, Sir Tim Berners-Lee, who argued that this trend was something fundamentally negative, since it gave platform companies like Apple and Google control over their walled gardens in a way that was bad for the internet as a whole and likely for society as well.

As some have pointed out, to a certain extent the debate over the web vs. the app ecosystem is a debate over terminology. After all, many apps are simply dedicated web browsers that use web-based standards and technologies to display and manage data — and there’s no question that some apps do this in a way that adds a lot of value for users. Games, for example, can do much more within a native app than they could with HTML5, and so can apps that use a device’s camera or other built-in features — such as Path, which is one of the most beautifully designed apps I’ve ever used.

Some, including startup advisor and investor Dave McClure of 500Startups, say there doesn’t have to be a dichotomy between apps and the web, and that apps which can link and exchange information across different services or devices are possible — even if there aren’t many of them right now. Apps don’t have to be walled garden-style silos like the CD-ROMs of the late 1990s, as Scott Hanselman referred to them in a post responding to Colony’s presentation. Social-web consultant Stowe Boyd argues that we need a different paradigm that goes beyond either the browser-based web or the simple nature of apps, and that the app ecosystem we have now is (or should be) just a transition phase.

Ideally, we will wind up with a world that combines the best of apps and the best features of the web — the openness, the lack of proprietary standards and gatekeeper-style platform owners. Perhaps somewhere out there, startup founders and developers are working on just that kind of solution. Like Battelle and Winer, I hope we can get there.

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  27. I don’t see how Apps are in any way the future. Technology will get freer and freer and less proprietary moving into the future, and as technology continues to evolve, the need for native hardware to run services and applications will fade out. Very, very soon kids will be playing massively-multiplayer 3D games that are web apps, integrated seamlessly with e-commerce support websites and social networks — oh and accessible from any device.

    The future of the web is about user experience — first and foremost. Users will use an app if it is a better experience than a website, but it’s much easier (and more efficient) to use open technologies that are not device- or hardware-specific. The fact is, as we get more and more devices; as our web gets more and more accessible and diverse, our favorite products and services must — MUST — be just as accessible. Only a free and open web can facilitate this.

    I view apps on the same level as I view Flash or other native plugins.

    1. Thanks, Benny — that’s a good comparison. Appreciate the comment.

  28. My thesis: Appropriate UX along with Unix style dumb pipe orchestration mechanisms (intents, urls) can be used to bridge app silos. More here: http://joegaffey.blogspot.com/2011/11/importance-of-unix-philosophy-in-modern.html

    1. Thanks for the link, Joe.

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  35. The ability to extend web apps into a cross-platform mobile environment already exists. IMHO, the app-for-that mentality is NOT a sustainable long-term business model for anyone but Apple. The developers are already complaining about lack of revenues and the extraordinary cost that they pay-to-play in the app store. We are approaching a BILLION apps in the combined app eco-system, yet the “average” user uses 7 apps on their smartphone. Do the math. NOT enough users…

    1. Good point — I certainly only use that many apps on my phone, and yet I have downloaded hundreds. Thanks for the comment.

    2. Billion? More like a million I think (iOS+android+symbian+winmo).

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    Just sayin….

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  126. I think people are missing an important idea here… apps don’t just live on phones. Look what Google Chrome is doing with web apps. I see that type of application (which is just a web site with a manifest) which enables developers to interact with the browser on a much more programmatic level as the future of the web.

    Make no mistake Windows 8 will be a game changing OS for developers and especially the large software giants. Don’t just think mobile when thinking apps.

    1. “Make no mistake Windows 8 will be a game changing OS for developers and especially the large software giants”

      How so? I’m curious because I myself am keeping an eye on Win8 and may consider buying a Win8 device if it proves to be an innovative platform.

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  128. What is missing is the possibility to “buy”(acces right to) a web site in a single action “for life” full stop. This more for contents and subscription models of course also valid for flow type things (journalism).
    However, for anything like that to be a reality in a non monopolistic manner, and independently of machines on line stores, or “social network”, a new function and clear role separation is needed, that is having organisations holding the list of a user “licences and contracts” and doing exactly just that, more on this below :
    http://iiscn.wordpress.com/2011/05/15/concepts-economie-numerique-draft/
    Otherwise apps and websites exactly the same thing of course, some information on screens, the online off line aspect becoming a moot point, from the more or less always connected point of view, but also from HTML 5 allowing in fact off line versions.

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  132. I prefer Apps because they provide a better experience. The Web as I see it, is just a bunch of disjoined spaces that start with www. and end with .com, what you find between those two things is just as bad, columns of mediocre content packed with ads on top and bottom and smushed by ads on both sides. Apps provide a more unique and desirable experience. I think what you are missing is the ability of our devices to run web technologies better than the web itself. Take a look at the progress PhoneGap is making for example.

    I like web technologies, I think they are more advanced and progressive than objective C which is just a mess and a waste of time when you consider what is now possible with Webstack.

    With all of that said, what we are seeing is a migration away from the web as we know it but not our great world of connectivity and communication. Apps don’t hurt connectivity and communication they only hurt www. this is that good of an experience .com. Think of how archaic it is that we spend so much of our lives typing those things? The only other more archaic modern technology is the phone number.

    1. “The only other more archaic modern technology is the phone number.” lol, and GS1 bar codes are archaic as well ? The only archaic thing is the overall total stupidity of “IT” or “computer science” guys and their little stupid dreams, not even knowing what a sign is and having this grotesque belief in syntax over the sea of codes(IDs).

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  150. remember the walled garden of AOL! Worked great for some time… Apps vs. the web: Are they enemies or allies? http://t.co/oQOdZK5T

  151. RT @html5guy: Apps vs. the web: Are they enemies or allies? http://t.co/UxsA9oGP #html5: Apps vs. the web: Are they enemies or… http://t.co/11ppRml9

  152. Apps vs. the web: Are they enemies or allies? http://t.co/DIBI2Cxm via @zite #seo

  153. Apps vs. the web: Are they enemies or allies? http://t.co/k3B38sgt via @zite

  154. Paulo Sá Elias Thursday, December 15, 2011

    RT @DeLuCa Apps vs. the web: Are they enemies or allies? http://t.co/0HHQLy4p

  155. I find i use apps a lot more than my browser RT @gigaom: Apps vs. the web: Are they enemies or allies? http://t.co/EZOHmIXe

  156. Apps vs. the web: Are they enemies or allies? http://t.co/kLa6XlgR

  157. Apps vs. the web: Are they enemies or allies? http://t.co/a6dbrFcF

  158. Apps vs. the web: Are they enemies or allies?: http://t.co/SRM6YQ4f

  159. Apps vs. the web: Are they enemies or allies? http://t.co/IIDg629Q #in

  160. RT @gigaom: Apps vs. the web: Are they enemies or allies? http://t.co/693s7MDF

  161. Apps vs. the web: Are they enemies or allies? – http://t.co/BNblrm4B

  162. Francisco Sáez Thursday, December 15, 2011

    Apps vs. the web: Are they enemies or allies? http://t.co/0egouurW

  163. Olivier Leclère Thursday, December 15, 2011

    Apps vs. the web: Are they enemies or allies? | Tech News and Analysis http://t.co/CCUvtUxs

  164. RT @sixpack_apps: Great post! Apps vs. the web: Are they enemies or allies? http://t.co/eWIUKvlr @gigaom

  165. Ma Fernanda Andrés Thursday, December 15, 2011

    Apps vs. the web: Are they enemies or allies? http://t.co/Cbh64phZ via @zite

  166. RT @maslintcho: Apps vs. the web: Are they enemies or allies? | Tech News and Analysis http://t.co/CCUvtUxs

  167. Vijay Balachandran Thursday, December 15, 2011

    Apps vs. the web: Are they enemies or allies? http://t.co/oYG5O9ih

  168. Apps vs. the web: Are they enemies or allies? http://t.co/jMJHHmiD

  169. Eduardo Arriagada Thursday, December 15, 2011

    De Mathew Ingram: Apps vs. the web: Are they enemies or allies? http://t.co/J2PYO3zG

  170. Alexandre Honório Thursday, December 15, 2011

    RT @earriagada: De Mathew Ingram: Apps vs. the web: Are they enemies or allies? http://t.co/J2PYO3zG

  171. Ricardo García Vega Thursday, December 15, 2011

    RT @franciscojsaez: Apps vs. the web: Are they enemies or allies? http://t.co/AkAXtvBF

  172. Apps vs. the web… enemies or allies? http://t.co/fvvCbVKS “Closed systems are great if you own the platform” – nice article by @mathewi

  173. Apps vs. the web: Are they enemies or allies? http://t.co/idKhWLmR

  174. Apps vs. the web: Are they enemies or allies? – GigaOm http://t.co/LsCwHKEB

  175. .@pbeyssac As follow-up of our discussion last week : “Apps vs. the web: Are they enemies or allies?” http://t.co/GwByTGIV

  176. Apps vs. the web… http://t.co/5aWFSIqD “Closed systems are great if you own the platform”

  177. RT @YRousse: .@pbeyssac As follow-up of our discussion last week : “Apps vs. the web: Are they enemies or allies?” http://t.co/GwByTGIV

  178. Apps vs. the web: Are they enemies or allies? http://t.co/shs4794i via @zite

  179. Apps vs. the web: Are they enemies or allies? http://t.co/V9lct7WI via @utollwi << I predict the distinction will blur then fade away

  180. Apps vs. the web: Are they enemies or allies? http://t.co/scVMOlyA #mobile #apps

  181. #Applications vs. #Web, who’s the deadman walking? #leweb http://t.co/1oP0SLZ5

  182. Apps vs. the web: Are they enemies or allies? (@mathewi / GigaOM) http://t.co/DmZLFXKV http://t.co/e4MUj3hW

  183. RT @Techmeme: Apps vs. the web: Are they enemies or allies? (@mathewi / GigaOM) http://t.co/DmZLFXKV http://t.co/e4MUj3hW

  184. RT @gigaom: Apps vs. the web: Are they enemies or allies? http://t.co/Vadg2D7Z

  185. Not the first time this debate has come up and won’t be the last! :: Apps vs. the web: Are they enemies or allies? http://t.co/YEqtd3qq

  186. Apps vs. the web: Are they enemies or allies? – http://t.co/HSmqF7VK

  187. Apps vs. the web: Are they enemies or allies? http://t.co/csPbiA4J

  188. Jimmy Rim (임지훈) Thursday, December 15, 2011

    읽어볼만함~Apps vs. the web: Are they enemies or allies? http://t.co/ZGRBLqME

  189. Subhasis Chakraborty Thursday, December 15, 2011

    Apps vs. the web: Are they enemies or allies? http://t.co/NrWHkItj #technology

  190. 근래 저의 고민이기도 .. RT @jimmyrim: 읽어볼만함~Apps vs. the web: Are they enemies or allies? http://t.co/QMoRwEHM

  191. Apps vs. the web: Are they enemies or allies? — Tech News and Analysis http://t.co/T2PiZ0rI – Forrester that is “Tron-ish” thinking #in

  192. Native apps vs. the Web – are they enemies or allies? http://t.co/9zBWYE2i

  193. Manoj Kandasamy Thursday, December 15, 2011

    Native apps vs. the Web – are they enemies or allies? http://t.co/wxCv4iRe”

  194. RT @visionmobile: Apps vs. the web… enemies or allies? http://t.co/fvvCbVKS “Closed systems are great if you own the platform” – nice article by @mathewi

  195. Breaking Development Thursday, December 15, 2011

    Apps vs. the web: Are they enemies or allies? http://t.co/XMwpQsKh

  196. Breaking Development Thursday, December 15, 2011

    Apps vs. the web: Are they enemies or allies? http://t.co/XMwpQsKh

  197. RT @Techmeme: Apps vs. the web: Are they enemies or allies? (@mathewi / GigaOM) http://t.co/Iie3CLig http://t.co/bsTCVOrI

  198. RT @bdconf: Apps vs. the web: Are they enemies or allies? http://t.co/XMwpQsKh

  199. RT @Techmeme: Apps vs. the web: Are they enemies or allies? (@mathewi / GigaOM) http://t.co/DmZLFXKV http://t.co/e4MUj3hW

  200. I’m with Dave McClure: this is not an either-or “battle”. Both technologies serve the same goal: improving access to digital information and services through whatever screen consumers want to use. Different use cases call for different approaches, that play to the benefits of apps and/or web. IN the end, the consumer doesn’t really care about the programming syntax behind what she sees, as long as the experience is engaging and the content is useful and entertaining.
    Having said this, I think we will see a decrease in “mobile” apps and “mobile” web as the boundaries between “mobile” and “not mobile” eventually disappear. For example, I already can play Angry Birds and use Evernote on any size screen I want, so that boundary is already quite fuzzy.
    More here: http://mobileindc.wordpress.com/2011/12/08/web-vs-native-is-a-federal-case/

  201. Daniel Whitehead Thursday, December 15, 2011

    RT @bdconf: Apps vs. the web: Are they enemies or allies? http://t.co/XMwpQsKh

  202. I just commented on “Apps vs. the web: Are they enemies or allies?” @gigaom: http://t.co/M9TsvXhV via @gigaom

  203. Ashley Callahan Thursday, December 15, 2011

    RT @TooMuchZerging RT @bdconf: Apps vs. the web: Are they enemies or allies? http://t.co/gYWoYKGh

  204. Apps vs. the web: Are they enemies or allies? (I’d say co-dependents) http://t.co/OjwBEluK #in #kmers

  205. The difference today is friction – real and perceived.

    We can buy from the App Store w/ no friction. We can’t (generally) on the web (identity, authentication, payment, perceived security, PC-optimized UX, low signal to noise, etc.).

    IMO over time the friction will even out and the openness of the web will win.

  206. #Apps vs. the web: Are they enemies or allies? — Tech News and Analysis http://t.co/Nnvk9mmI

  207. Apps VS the web: Are they enemies or allies? http://t.co/v5vZP47Q

  208. Alessandro Canepa Thursday, December 15, 2011

    #Apps vs. the #web: Are they enemies or allies? — Tech News and Analysis http://t.co/yEgaNXDf

  209. Apps vs. the web: Are they enemies or allies? http://t.co/dNIzEEvq

  210. Apps vs. the web: Are they enemies or allies? http://t.co/p85Vgxzh

  211. RT @Techmeme: Apps vs. the web: Are they enemies or allies? (@mathewi / GigaOM) http://t.co/DmZLFXKV http://t.co/e4MUj3hW

  212. Candy J. Sugarman Thursday, December 15, 2011

    RT @tinacook: RT @gigaom: Apps vs. the web: Are they enemies or allies? http://t.co/9toObsZL

  213. Jean-Charles NOIROT Thursday, December 15, 2011

    RT @appMobi: Native apps vs. the Web – are they enemies or allies? http://t.co/9zBWYE2i

  214. Jean-Charles NOIROT Thursday, December 15, 2011

    RT @appMobi: Native apps vs. the Web – are they enemies or allies? http://t.co/9zBWYE2i

  215. I agree largely with Benny. HTML5 will essentially take over. Right now apps are an extremely valuable way to interact with users because the platforms are so disparate. That will ultimately change with HTML5. Give it a few years.

  216. Hi Mathew,

    One big piece of the app user experience puzzle also deals with getting the actual bytes to the devices — freely (or with very low cost) to the end user. Currently, the best way to provide free byte delivery to an end user is to “pre-load” the bandwidth into the app itself (just like merchants package free delivery with other goods and services, or like a1-800 voice call). The process of embedding free bandwidth into an app is called “FreeBand” (see http://www.boxtop.tv). Since bandwidth is arguably the biggest cost associated with a user’s online experience (certainly for mobile), apps that come with free delivery will have a big advantage over traditional web pages (with standard browsers the end user pays for byte delivery out of their own pocket). So in terms of lowering and controlling bandwidth cost to the end user (especially in an ever increasing “data capped” world), I would give the advantage to apps.

  217. “Apps vs. the web: Are they enemies or allies?” – They should work together. http://t.co/wHXTChRe

  218. Adam P. Coulter Thursday, December 15, 2011

    Apps vs. the web: Are they enemies or allies? — @gigaom http://t.co/xWIxaPyZ

  219. RT @visionmobile: Apps vs. the web… enemies or allies? http://t.co/fvvCbVKS “Closed systems are great if you own the platform” – nice article by @mathewi

  220. Marlo J. P. Simon Thursday, December 15, 2011

    RT @appMobi: Native apps vs. the Web – are they enemies or allies? http://t.co/qQ1qqRMr >> Is the web dead, or is it just evolving?

  221. Marlo J. P. Simon Thursday, December 15, 2011

    RT @appMobi: Native apps vs. the Web – are they enemies or allies? http://t.co/qQ1qqRMr >> Is the web dead, or is it just evolving?

  222. Emanuele Bolognesi Thursday, December 15, 2011

    Apps vs. the web: Are they enemies or allies? http://t.co/nidzkytS

  223. Apps vs. the web: Are they enemies or allies? http://t.co/F7R3vRBj (via Instapaper)

  224. I know this is getting to be an old topic: Apps vs. the web: Are they enemies or allies? http://t.co/OcHViwl5

  225. Apps vs. the web: Are they enemies or allies? http://t.co/lsoAAehz RT @emabolo

  226. Apps vs. the web: Are they enemies or allies? http://t.co/rpub1Kwn

  227. Apps vs. the Web – Are they enemies or allies?http://t.co/lkba2tNB (via @gigaom)

  228. Apps vs. the web: Are they enemies or allies? — Tech News and Analysis http://t.co/mGBKRgj1 #apps #webapps #future

  229. Interesting discussion whether apps will kill web: FB, Apple, Google, etc as walled gardens: http://t.co/i0UTlfAE Much 2 b said for HTML5

  230. Interesting discussion whether apps will kill web: FB, Apple, Google, etc as walled gardens: http://t.co/i0UTlfAE Much 2 b said for HTML5

  231. Apps vs. the web: Are they enemies or allies?
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  232. Earl J. Wilkinson Thursday, December 15, 2011

    In the newsmedia industry, our conclusion for the moment is apps are for CEOs and investors yet the mobile Web is where the eyeballs and money are. Further insights at INMA here: http://bit.ly/vZDJKp.

  233. Apps vs. the web: Are they enemies or allies? — Tech News and Analysis http://t.co/Ql3naNUK

  234. David Henderson Thursday, December 15, 2011

    Apps vs. the web: Are they enemies or allies? http://t.co/bLMD0226

  235. Apps vs. the web: Are they enemies or allies? http://t.co/8GGTPrGq

  236. I think a mistake that a lot of people make is trying to apply the decades-old debate about browser-based vs “fat” desktop applications to the mobile space. A smartphone, no matter how some might want it to be, isn’t a desktop. Even with HTML5, most browser-based web apps can’t match a comparable native app. I don’t just pull these conclusions out of thin air. I’m an avid consumer and user of both web and native apps for smartphones, as well as an experienced developer. What strikes me as odd is that some people forget that, initially, when the iPhone first came out, Apple would only allow web development. They had their reasons, but eventually, due to a huge demand for something better, they relented, and allowed native app development. As a developer, I have written HTML5 apps, hybrid apps(native apps that wrap HTML content), and have come away with the opinion that native apps win out most of the time. Of course, one should use the tool that fits the task at hand. I am often reminded of this saying when these debates start to gain momentum: “When all one has is a hammer, everything starts to look like a nail.”

  237. The winning technology will be the one with the porn. The loser will be BetaMax. As long as an app has to be “approved” by the apps store “quality control,” the web doesn’t have to be technologically better to win out in the end. There’s an 800 pound gorilla mounting the elephant in the room, and no amount of loyalty to a process will trump getting your freak on in the palm of your hand.

  238. The mobile web versus application debate has many of us in the industry thrilled about the deeper thought and discussion being stimulated around mobile proliferation and the future of both business-to-consumer (B2C) and business-to-employee (B2E) interactions. I work for Kony, a mobile platform provider, and we believe that while HTML5 is certainly transforming the mobile landscape, Hybrid (or Mixed Mode) applications that use the features of both native and mobile web provide the most seamless, engaging applications. For example, while HTML5 offers enhanced animations and transitions, native continues to provide the performance-oriented features that users have come to expect. This further highlights why Hybrid apps are able to bring together the benefits of both, while never compromising the user experience. This is in alignment with Dave McClure’s perspective, that there does not have to be a dichotomy, and that apps which can link and exchange information across different services or devices are possible. This is why we suggest that organizations build their apps from a single code base. With a common API, developers can specify once and then translate an application into multiple native platforms- there’s no need to manually generate an application such as Google Wallet for 9,000 devices, 7 operating systems and 15 browsers.

    -Sri Ramanathan

  239. The Web is hardly a land of open content — the walled garden called Facebook is no more open than many apps that live in the App Internet world. I have posted a few more thoughts on all of this which you can find here: http://tinyurl.com/77jmfyy

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