Comments on: Forrester to your IT dept: Let them use Macs

By: PRETHOUGHT

PRETHOUGHT — Mon, 31 Oct 2011 08:53:25 +0000

Ive said it before and ill say it again take out a piece of paper make the largest circle possible and then place a dot in it. In the overall computing universe UNIX is the giant and Microsoft is that dot. OSX Lion 100% POSIX compliant Windows 2008 not so much.

Apple doesnt want to have anything to do with the enterprise they dont even sell servers anymore. iCloud runs on Oracle/Solaris.

By: PRETHOUGHT

PRETHOUGHT — Mon, 31 Oct 2011 08:38:18 +0000

Well there is citrix xen, vmware thinapp for crap that only works with IE. I think its IT that fears stuff it doesnt understand. Those that are affraid of the command line. We run vmware basically a linux hypervisor our disk subsystem equallogic NetBSD, our network Juniper BSD our laptops MBPro OSX Lion BSD. Eveything that supports Microsoft garbage has some form UNIX underneath it keeping it stable.

By: Scott

Scott — Sun, 30 Oct 2011 19:42:07 +0000

Ryan hit the head nail on the head.

By: El Barto

El Barto — Sun, 30 Oct 2011 02:26:03 +0000

true….but you will always need someone to support your devices…who makes an IT guy in charge of the budget? their own budget maybe? I’m sick and tired of IT guys saying “we need and enterprise solution” we don’t…is just a waste of money. I think IT decisions must be made in collaboration with the users, not the IT managers cause they will buy the most expensive and loaded piece of crap they can get.

By: Larry

Larry — Sat, 29 Oct 2011 06:20:33 +0000

Apple should just totally ignore enterprise markets. The consumer market has been bigger for PC since 2003?

Let Microsoft, HP, Dell, and many others fight it out for the enterprise.

Apple MCSE

http://training.apple.com/certification/macosx

By: Larry

Larry — Sat, 29 Oct 2011 06:13:53 +0000

Ummmm yeah try makign all of tha work right. We have OD/AD linked with Leopard server, we have been trying to get a new Lion server linked, and even after 10.7.2 its not working. Do a search and this is not just us, its a big problem.

Snow Leopard clients have tons of issues with SMB shares and we had to dumb down our Windows 2008 R2 security because Mac’s cant connect to it.

We used to be able to get help from Apple, but the department we worked with is gone. Apple does not care about the Enterprise at all.

By: Robert

Robert — Fri, 28 Oct 2011 20:07:45 +0000

I would not recommend Mac hardware to anyone. In our company they need twice as many repairs as other hardware. And the repairs are twice as costly…
Software wise its a different question…

By: winkness

winkness — Fri, 28 Oct 2011 09:03:40 +0000

That’s a dumb idea. There will always be a place for IT persons. This idea just helps to make they work easier.

By: Nick Iler

Nick Iler — Fri, 28 Oct 2011 07:44:19 +0000

I would like to also add, Until Microsoft and/or Apple have an outlined step-by-step solution, its going to be a hard sell. You really have to make a GREAT! argument on how you will be more productive using Mac instead of the supplied Windows PC. Really, it would sound silly if I told my manager, “Look, I just can’t write on white paper, it would flow so much better if I had yellow paper” or “I can’t use that green hammer”. These are apples and oranges compared to PC’s and Mac’s. Most people don’t really plan out what they are going to say when they ask for anything on the network, so they usually walk out defeated.

If you can’t answer the question as to why you need it, thoroughly, thoughtfully and with good reasoning and very well rounded logic (your dealing with geeks, don’t forget that). Your going to lose. Period. Don’t feel bad, I have seen high ranking executives stumble to find the right words to open a pathway for devices and fail. Lack of really good reasons, the “its easy for me to use” is not a good reason. That’s why we hire people who can do the job. Not, hire people then change the job to suit their likes and dislikes. You must suit your position.

If we want to see Mac’s officially supported in IT departments Apple or Microsoft would have to usher a road-map and integration guide for full support. Also, where’s the Apple equivalent to a MCSE for Mac’s? I never heard of one. Running a huge network with thousands of users is not about pretty buttons and nice computers. Security and network reliability are the factors that sway every decision I have ever made regarding my networks.

Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer (MCSE) http://www.microsoft.com/learning/en/us/certification/mcse.aspx

Lucky for Apple we are in a tech revolution were leaders are standing through settled dust. If Apple will stand upon enterprise it better integrate itself not just to Linux but also to Windows Server. But, we all know that Apple wants to have their own enterprise server infrastructure and possibly would like to incorporate it with iCloud.

By: Nick Iler

Nick Iler — Fri, 28 Oct 2011 07:42:59 +0000

Nice reply, I like that you have put these resources in one place as it will surely help allot of Microsoft IT folks that have an interest in making it happen.