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	<title>Comments on: Tablets wars: Apple is from Venus, Amazon is from Mars</title>
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		<title>By: vijaymukhi712</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[vijaymukhi712]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Nov 2011 18:42:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My only beef with Amazon is that its too US centric. People like me in India are not on Amazons radar as today I cannot buy the Fire. Amazon should understand that the world marketplace is bigger than the US.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My only beef with Amazon is that its too US centric. People like me in India are not on Amazons radar as today I cannot buy the Fire. Amazon should understand that the world marketplace is bigger than the US.</p>
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		<title>By: Brandon</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brandon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Oct 2011 18:03:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I can&#039;t believe I didn&#039;t see this coming from Amazon. In my opinion they went about the release the right way, building a group of services, and then releasing the tablet as &quot;Look, now you can use all these services on one device!&quot; Books, MP3s, Movies, TV Shows, Apps... and then the Fire.

And who cares if the profit margin is lower than Apple? With the volume Amazon does, I&#039;m sure this will be worth their while.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t believe I didn&#8217;t see this coming from Amazon. In my opinion they went about the release the right way, building a group of services, and then releasing the tablet as &#8220;Look, now you can use all these services on one device!&#8221; Books, MP3s, Movies, TV Shows, Apps&#8230; and then the Fire.</p>
<p>And who cares if the profit margin is lower than Apple? With the volume Amazon does, I&#8217;m sure this will be worth their while.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Callanan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul Callanan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Oct 2011 04:37:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kindle Fire is a safe device to give Young Children, best function is no Camera. This makes it ideal for Parent&#039;s, with no nasty surprises posted on Facebook, or other Social Media, not to mention the price, which also means the Child is not going to be bashed for their i-Pad from Dad.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kindle Fire is a safe device to give Young Children, best function is no Camera. This makes it ideal for Parent&#8217;s, with no nasty surprises posted on Facebook, or other Social Media, not to mention the price, which also means the Child is not going to be bashed for their i-Pad from Dad.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin C. Tofel</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kevin C. Tofel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Oct 2011 11:56:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Actually, no. ;) While it wasn&#039;t an ideal solution, there were a number of 7-inch PCs in 2006 to 2010 available: UMPCs. They all ran Windows (XP or Vista) in 1024x600 resolution, since that was the best/cheapest display they could get for that size. Most PC apps ran on there fine although some didn&#039;t meet the screen resolution or CPU requirements. You could view a full web page or PDF on these, although it worked best in portrait mode, just like it does on smaller tablets and phones today.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, no. ;) While it wasn&#8217;t an ideal solution, there were a number of 7-inch PCs in 2006 to 2010 available: UMPCs. They all ran Windows (XP or Vista) in 1024&#215;600 resolution, since that was the best/cheapest display they could get for that size. Most PC apps ran on there fine although some didn&#8217;t meet the screen resolution or CPU requirements. You could view a full web page or PDF on these, although it worked best in portrait mode, just like it does on smaller tablets and phones today.</p>
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		<title>By: Hamranhansenhansen</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hamranhansenhansen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Oct 2011 11:38:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Totally right. There are no 7 inch graphical PC&#039;s. Never have been. Therefore there are no PC apps that can run on a 7 inch screen.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Totally right. There are no 7 inch graphical PC&#8217;s. Never have been. Therefore there are no PC apps that can run on a 7 inch screen.</p>
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		<title>By: Hamranhansenhansen</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hamranhansenhansen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Oct 2011 11:33:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No. Apple basically breaks even on apps, music, movies, books.

Here is how apps work:

- 70% to the developer
- 29% to the server farm, credit card processors, marketing, customer service, App Store management, developer programs, etc.
- 1% to Apple

Music:

- 90% to the record company
- 9% to the server farm, credit card processors, marketing, customer service, artist programs, etc.
- 1% to Apple

I&#039;m not involved in movies. Not sure how they work. But it is almost certainly the same.

With the amount of money Apple makes selling computers, that 1% of media sales doesn&#039;t really add up to much. It could go away any time and you would have to dig through their financials to see it had happened.

With Amazon, they are selling Kindles at a loss. So the only revenue is from the media. The downside of this is that there is almost no money in media. People don&#039;t want to pay for it. So Amazon squeezes the publishers and artists really bad. They have all these ways that they give your work away for free. Like they will offer to put you on the front page of something, but say that all sales from that page are free, they won&#039;t pay you for them. The idea is that it is an ad that you pay for with your royalties. Apple just puts you into a promotion and you see a huge amount of money appear in your bank account unexpectedly.

One thing I have to say is I find it hard to argue with Apple&#039;s method. People love to pay for hardware because they can touch it, and they hate to pay for software and content, even though that is the primary thing they really want from the device. So Apple made this software/content mix that the user carries with them from device to device, and in a sense, the software/content becomes part of the hardware. Now the user wants to pay for it again. They see that buying a music album means it goes into their persistent collection and it follows them around forever, always at their fingertips, on all of their devices. It shows the user that the music they bought is more valuable than the music they heard on a streaming service. It demonstrates why they paid for it in the first place. Also, with Apple managing the cloud storage, it is so much easier than bootlegging and so much higher quality, it makes bootlegging look like too much work.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No. Apple basically breaks even on apps, music, movies, books.</p>
<p>Here is how apps work:</p>
<p>- 70% to the developer<br />
- 29% to the server farm, credit card processors, marketing, customer service, App Store management, developer programs, etc.<br />
- 1% to Apple</p>
<p>Music:</p>
<p>- 90% to the record company<br />
- 9% to the server farm, credit card processors, marketing, customer service, artist programs, etc.<br />
- 1% to Apple</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not involved in movies. Not sure how they work. But it is almost certainly the same.</p>
<p>With the amount of money Apple makes selling computers, that 1% of media sales doesn&#8217;t really add up to much. It could go away any time and you would have to dig through their financials to see it had happened.</p>
<p>With Amazon, they are selling Kindles at a loss. So the only revenue is from the media. The downside of this is that there is almost no money in media. People don&#8217;t want to pay for it. So Amazon squeezes the publishers and artists really bad. They have all these ways that they give your work away for free. Like they will offer to put you on the front page of something, but say that all sales from that page are free, they won&#8217;t pay you for them. The idea is that it is an ad that you pay for with your royalties. Apple just puts you into a promotion and you see a huge amount of money appear in your bank account unexpectedly.</p>
<p>One thing I have to say is I find it hard to argue with Apple&#8217;s method. People love to pay for hardware because they can touch it, and they hate to pay for software and content, even though that is the primary thing they really want from the device. So Apple made this software/content mix that the user carries with them from device to device, and in a sense, the software/content becomes part of the hardware. Now the user wants to pay for it again. They see that buying a music album means it goes into their persistent collection and it follows them around forever, always at their fingertips, on all of their devices. It shows the user that the music they bought is more valuable than the music they heard on a streaming service. It demonstrates why they paid for it in the first place. Also, with Apple managing the cloud storage, it is so much easier than bootlegging and so much higher quality, it makes bootlegging look like too much work.</p>
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		<title>By: Hamranhansenhansen</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2011/09/29/tablets-wars-apple-is-from-venus-amazon-is-from-mars/#comment-660504</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hamranhansenhansen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Oct 2011 11:23:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You can say good-bye to cable about 5 years ago and use iTunes and Netflix.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can say good-bye to cable about 5 years ago and use iTunes and Netflix.</p>
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		<title>By: Hamranhansenhansen</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2011/09/29/tablets-wars-apple-is-from-venus-amazon-is-from-mars/#comment-660503</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hamranhansenhansen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Oct 2011 11:21:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[With a 7 inch screen, it cannot compete in the PC market. No PC ever had a screen that small, and so no PC apps fit on there. You can&#039;t even view a full Web page or PDF, let alone run a full-size PC app.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With a 7 inch screen, it cannot compete in the PC market. No PC ever had a screen that small, and so no PC apps fit on there. You can&#8217;t even view a full Web page or PDF, let alone run a full-size PC app.</p>
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		<title>By: Hamranhansenhansen</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2011/09/29/tablets-wars-apple-is-from-venus-amazon-is-from-mars/#comment-660501</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hamranhansenhansen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Oct 2011 11:18:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[They already did that. iPad is a low-end Mac. It sells in the $500 PC market. We may see last year&#039;s iPad at $399 like we see last year&#039;s Windows notebooks for $399, but you are not going to get much lower than that without leaving parts out that the user would have to buy later anyway (e.g. Windows Starter.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They already did that. iPad is a low-end Mac. It sells in the $500 PC market. We may see last year&#8217;s iPad at $399 like we see last year&#8217;s Windows notebooks for $399, but you are not going to get much lower than that without leaving parts out that the user would have to buy later anyway (e.g. Windows Starter.)</p>
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		<title>By: Hamranhansenhansen</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hamranhansenhansen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Oct 2011 11:09:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No. There is no tablet market. There are tablets in the media player market, tablets in the phone market, tablets in the PC market.

What Amazon has done with Kindle Fire is extend the Kindle line upward into high-end media players (around $200) to compete with NOOK Color and iPod touch.

What Apple has done with iPad is extend the Mac line downward into low-end PC&#039;s (around $500) to compete with Windows notebooks.

It&#039;s very, very simple.

&gt; Ipad = BMW Luxary SUV = 1x sales
&gt; Kindle fire = Corolla/Civic car = 10x sales

No. Not only is that not true, but that idea is probably the most dangerous thing that Kindle Fire faces. If people buy it thinking it is a PC, they will be disappointed. If people buy it thinking it will be a media player, they are likely to be very happy with it.

The biggest problem that Android tablets have faced is users buying them to be PC&#039;s and being disappointed that they are phones. And as many as 50% of them are returned, it is like wholesale slaughter. I have seen exactly 2 Android tablets in the wild, both in 2 different pawn shop windows in Silicon Valley of all places.

Here is how your BMW/Toyota idea really works:

• MacBook Air or MacBook Pro = BMW = 1x sales ($1000)
• iPad or Windows notebook = Toyota = 10x sales ($500)

• Kindle Fire or iPod touch = BMW motorcycle = 1x sales ($200)
• Kindle or iPod shuffle = Toyota motorcycle = 10x sales ($75)

We can see this working when we look at Apple and we see MacBook Air selling about 2 million per quarter and iPad selling about 10 million per quarter, but iPad is still new and it is growing faster than the Mac. In a year or 2 (if trends hold,) it will be 5 million MacBook Airs per quarter and 50 million iPads.

As much as Kindle Fire is more fun for techies, if you ask a Kindle user what they think, they are talking about how the Kindle buttons are better for page turning than touch, and how gray is better for battery life than LCD. It would not be surprising to see the $79 Kindle sell 10 times the Kindle Fire. Especially because the supplies of the gray screen are likely very plentiful, and the supplies of the LCD are probably not. Apple buys up almost all manufacturing capacity of the kinds of parts they use, and although they don&#039;t use 7 inch screens, that is just half a 10 inch screen (they are measured diagonally, 7 inch is 46% of the area of 10 inch.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No. There is no tablet market. There are tablets in the media player market, tablets in the phone market, tablets in the PC market.</p>
<p>What Amazon has done with Kindle Fire is extend the Kindle line upward into high-end media players (around $200) to compete with NOOK Color and iPod touch.</p>
<p>What Apple has done with iPad is extend the Mac line downward into low-end PC&#8217;s (around $500) to compete with Windows notebooks.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s very, very simple.</p>
<p>&gt; Ipad = BMW Luxary SUV = 1x sales<br />
&gt; Kindle fire = Corolla/Civic car = 10x sales</p>
<p>No. Not only is that not true, but that idea is probably the most dangerous thing that Kindle Fire faces. If people buy it thinking it is a PC, they will be disappointed. If people buy it thinking it will be a media player, they are likely to be very happy with it.</p>
<p>The biggest problem that Android tablets have faced is users buying them to be PC&#8217;s and being disappointed that they are phones. And as many as 50% of them are returned, it is like wholesale slaughter. I have seen exactly 2 Android tablets in the wild, both in 2 different pawn shop windows in Silicon Valley of all places.</p>
<p>Here is how your BMW/Toyota idea really works:</p>
<p>• MacBook Air or MacBook Pro = BMW = 1x sales ($1000)<br />
• iPad or Windows notebook = Toyota = 10x sales ($500)</p>
<p>• Kindle Fire or iPod touch = BMW motorcycle = 1x sales ($200)<br />
• Kindle or iPod shuffle = Toyota motorcycle = 10x sales ($75)</p>
<p>We can see this working when we look at Apple and we see MacBook Air selling about 2 million per quarter and iPad selling about 10 million per quarter, but iPad is still new and it is growing faster than the Mac. In a year or 2 (if trends hold,) it will be 5 million MacBook Airs per quarter and 50 million iPads.</p>
<p>As much as Kindle Fire is more fun for techies, if you ask a Kindle user what they think, they are talking about how the Kindle buttons are better for page turning than touch, and how gray is better for battery life than LCD. It would not be surprising to see the $79 Kindle sell 10 times the Kindle Fire. Especially because the supplies of the gray screen are likely very plentiful, and the supplies of the LCD are probably not. Apple buys up almost all manufacturing capacity of the kinds of parts they use, and although they don&#8217;t use 7 inch screens, that is just half a 10 inch screen (they are measured diagonally, 7 inch is 46% of the area of 10 inch.)</p>
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