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	<title>Comments on: Tablet timing: What the TouchPad says of the market</title>
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		<title>By: Yogesh Pandeya</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Yogesh Pandeya]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Aug 2011 07:00:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why not make WebOS open source and HP can sell services around it? Surely there will be many to give it a serious thought as it will not have the same issues as Android.
Any taker?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why not make WebOS open source and HP can sell services around it? Surely there will be many to give it a serious thought as it will not have the same issues as Android.<br />
Any taker?</p>
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		<title>By: Marcos_El_Malo</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Marcos_El_Malo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Aug 2011 06:19:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Are that many people still buying netbooks? Reports I&#039;ve read said that market was moribund.

BOM on the 16 GB TouchPad has been estimated to be $318. I don&#039;t understand how a tablet manufacturer can sustain itself selling $318 worth of parts for $99. HP didn&#039;t demonstrate &quot;volume sales&quot; or &quot;safe sales&quot;, they demonstrated a Fire Sale, i.e., a going out of business sale. I wonder which recent tablet we will next see being sold at a loss. The 7&quot; Galaxy Tab? There might be hundreds of thousands, maybe a million, sitting in warehouses. If they don&#039;t get shipped back to Samsung to be dumped in a landfill, they&#039;re going to be placed in the bargain bin for &lt;$100 a pop. Probably much less, seeing how the TouchPad has set the standard for non-iPad prices. That&#039;s the biggest problem that HP is creating with this fire sale: they&#039;re creating the expectation among the public that non iPad tablets shouldn&#039;t cost more than $100 - $150.

Not sure what definition you&#039;re using for patent trolling, but I doubt it is the correct one. A patent troll is an individual or company that makes no products of its own. Apple obviously makes products. Whether or not you think patents on the whole are wrong or right, or whether Apple&#039;s patents in particular are valid, it is incorrect to call them patent trolls. You want to see a patent troll, look up Lodsys. I personally believe there are real problems with the patent system and that it needs to be fixed, but until it does get fixed, Google, Apple, Samsung, etc. are all still under the same rules so I don&#039;t feel sorry for any of them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are that many people still buying netbooks? Reports I&#8217;ve read said that market was moribund.</p>
<p>BOM on the 16 GB TouchPad has been estimated to be $318. I don&#8217;t understand how a tablet manufacturer can sustain itself selling $318 worth of parts for $99. HP didn&#8217;t demonstrate &#8220;volume sales&#8221; or &#8220;safe sales&#8221;, they demonstrated a Fire Sale, i.e., a going out of business sale. I wonder which recent tablet we will next see being sold at a loss. The 7&#8243; Galaxy Tab? There might be hundreds of thousands, maybe a million, sitting in warehouses. If they don&#8217;t get shipped back to Samsung to be dumped in a landfill, they&#8217;re going to be placed in the bargain bin for &lt;$100 a pop. Probably much less, seeing how the TouchPad has set the standard for non-iPad prices. That&#039;s the biggest problem that HP is creating with this fire sale: they&#039;re creating the expectation among the public that non iPad tablets shouldn&#039;t cost more than $100 &#8211; $150.</p>
<p>Not sure what definition you&#039;re using for patent trolling, but I doubt it is the correct one. A patent troll is an individual or company that makes no products of its own. Apple obviously makes products. Whether or not you think patents on the whole are wrong or right, or whether Apple&#039;s patents in particular are valid, it is incorrect to call them patent trolls. You want to see a patent troll, look up Lodsys. I personally believe there are real problems with the patent system and that it needs to be fixed, but until it does get fixed, Google, Apple, Samsung, etc. are all still under the same rules so I don&#039;t feel sorry for any of them.</p>
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		<title>By: Jaryd</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jaryd]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Aug 2011 20:49:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The data clearly shows you to be incorrect that Apple is having the same challenges that other tablet manufacturers are. The iPad is outselling everything else by a wide, wide margin. People are buying iPads, and not buying other tablets. How long this lasts is unknown, but it is clear Apple is cleaning up the tablet market and taking all of the profits right now.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The data clearly shows you to be incorrect that Apple is having the same challenges that other tablet manufacturers are. The iPad is outselling everything else by a wide, wide margin. People are buying iPads, and not buying other tablets. How long this lasts is unknown, but it is clear Apple is cleaning up the tablet market and taking all of the profits right now.</p>
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		<title>By: billc</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[billc]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Aug 2011 20:09:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t believe Apple ipad is having any better time of it than any other tab retailer.  When you have an established laptop population not to mention a substantial netbook population, the only group to continue on and purchase a tablet are the extreemers.  The average Joe will settle for just having current tech until economic  conditions improve.  

It doesn&#039;t make since for a netbook to run around $200.00 - $300.00 and a few higher, and tablets to run in the average price range of laptops.  I believe HP demonstraited volume sales Verses safe sales.  Apple sales a high quality product for a high price which I don&#039;t think will continue as HP has realised. I wouldn&#039;t be surprised this one of the motivations for patent trolling of late by Jobs.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t believe Apple ipad is having any better time of it than any other tab retailer.  When you have an established laptop population not to mention a substantial netbook population, the only group to continue on and purchase a tablet are the extreemers.  The average Joe will settle for just having current tech until economic  conditions improve.  </p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t make since for a netbook to run around $200.00 &#8211; $300.00 and a few higher, and tablets to run in the average price range of laptops.  I believe HP demonstraited volume sales Verses safe sales.  Apple sales a high quality product for a high price which I don&#8217;t think will continue as HP has realised. I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised this one of the motivations for patent trolling of late by Jobs.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin C. Tofel</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kevin C. Tofel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Aug 2011 19:34:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kwasi, many of the existing Android phone apps I used on the Xoom, Iconia Tab and Galaxy Tab 10.1 before stretch and zoom showed some rending issues; particularly with text. That&#039;s one reason I mention the capability, which was created (at least in my opinion) because it&#039;s taking developers some time to add multiple resolution support to their apps. As far as the other hardware components you mention: yup, they&#039;re lacking on the iPad. But if people want those features, they&#039;d be buying Android tablets instead of iPads. The sales data says otherwise. Note that I&#039;m not saying one is better than the other; I&#039;m saying that people are presumably buying what is meeting their needs.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kwasi, many of the existing Android phone apps I used on the Xoom, Iconia Tab and Galaxy Tab 10.1 before stretch and zoom showed some rending issues; particularly with text. That&#8217;s one reason I mention the capability, which was created (at least in my opinion) because it&#8217;s taking developers some time to add multiple resolution support to their apps. As far as the other hardware components you mention: yup, they&#8217;re lacking on the iPad. But if people want those features, they&#8217;d be buying Android tablets instead of iPads. The sales data says otherwise. Note that I&#8217;m not saying one is better than the other; I&#8217;m saying that people are presumably buying what is meeting their needs.</p>
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		<title>By: Lucian Armasu</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lucian Armasu]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Aug 2011 19:26:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is why Google and their partners shouldn&#039;t focus &quot;too much&quot; on beating Apple at the $500 level. Sure they shouldn&#039;t give up that, but they should also focus on selling $200 &quot;quality&quot; tablets, with the minimum necessary specs, and dominate the market. That&#039;s exactly what the TouchPad is showing us - that there is a HUGE potential market for inexpensive tablets, even for people who didn&#039;t consider one before.

Unfortunately, I don&#039;t think the manufacturer will get it until next year. Amazon might be the first one to get it, but even they were only willing to sell a dual core $350. And after they&#039;ve seen the TouchPad is their most popular CE product on their site now, they might consider slashing $50, or even $100 before it even launches, so they can dominate the market in volume.

Google should realize this,too, and that they need volume to attract developers, and get out of this catch-22 problem where they don&#039;t come because there are no sales, and customers don&#039;t buy them because there are no apps.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is why Google and their partners shouldn&#8217;t focus &#8220;too much&#8221; on beating Apple at the $500 level. Sure they shouldn&#8217;t give up that, but they should also focus on selling $200 &#8220;quality&#8221; tablets, with the minimum necessary specs, and dominate the market. That&#8217;s exactly what the TouchPad is showing us &#8211; that there is a HUGE potential market for inexpensive tablets, even for people who didn&#8217;t consider one before.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, I don&#8217;t think the manufacturer will get it until next year. Amazon might be the first one to get it, but even they were only willing to sell a dual core $350. And after they&#8217;ve seen the TouchPad is their most popular CE product on their site now, they might consider slashing $50, or even $100 before it even launches, so they can dominate the market in volume.</p>
<p>Google should realize this,too, and that they need volume to attract developers, and get out of this catch-22 problem where they don&#8217;t come because there are no sales, and customers don&#8217;t buy them because there are no apps.</p>
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		<title>By: DB</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DB]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Aug 2011 19:24:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Kindles sells in the range of $114 to $379. How will Amazon offer a full feature tablet within that price range? Also, why would Amazon subsidize their tablets? What will propel usage to their store with only Amazon tablets? What would be the marginal revenue increase and the associated cost of risk to give Amazon the appropriate profit level that management expects and stock investors want? How will this business model increase their valuation for portfolio investors?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Kindles sells in the range of $114 to $379. How will Amazon offer a full feature tablet within that price range? Also, why would Amazon subsidize their tablets? What will propel usage to their store with only Amazon tablets? What would be the marginal revenue increase and the associated cost of risk to give Amazon the appropriate profit level that management expects and stock investors want? How will this business model increase their valuation for portfolio investors?</p>
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		<title>By: Yacko</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Yacko]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Aug 2011 19:12:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Which I think makes Amazon the toughest competitor. They can subsidize whatever tablet they come up with as a shopping machine with the Amazon experience either as a major app or the GUI shell that runs the tablet. Since they can sell it at a loss and assume $300 is break even, then you might see Amazon push them out at $199-249 and that would change the landscape. Not to mention Amazon would be in it for the long haul, essentially forever.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Which I think makes Amazon the toughest competitor. They can subsidize whatever tablet they come up with as a shopping machine with the Amazon experience either as a major app or the GUI shell that runs the tablet. Since they can sell it at a loss and assume $300 is break even, then you might see Amazon push them out at $199-249 and that would change the landscape. Not to mention Amazon would be in it for the long haul, essentially forever.</p>
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		<title>By: Kwasi Nti</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kwasi Nti]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Aug 2011 19:03:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kevin &quot;stretch and zoom capabilities for phone apps, for example.&quot; 

This kills me. Yes, it was added to Android 3.2, but a Xoom user who is now using the EEE Pad Transformer, I have yet to find an app that actually looks better with stretch to zoom.

Stretch to zoom is an Apple problem. It&#039;s not a problem for the number one contender, Android whose apps are already designed to run at multiple resolutions. This kind of FUD bothers me, because many people haven&#039;t actually used these devices yet. 

Where&#039;s the playing up of the MicroSD and HDMI (and full SD and 2 USB ports with the dock) of the best Android tablet? This article tells me that people have trouble looking past the iPad, which is evolving about as fast as the iPod (not fast enough).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin &#8220;stretch and zoom capabilities for phone apps, for example.&#8221; </p>
<p>This kills me. Yes, it was added to Android 3.2, but a Xoom user who is now using the EEE Pad Transformer, I have yet to find an app that actually looks better with stretch to zoom.</p>
<p>Stretch to zoom is an Apple problem. It&#8217;s not a problem for the number one contender, Android whose apps are already designed to run at multiple resolutions. This kind of FUD bothers me, because many people haven&#8217;t actually used these devices yet. </p>
<p>Where&#8217;s the playing up of the MicroSD and HDMI (and full SD and 2 USB ports with the dock) of the best Android tablet? This article tells me that people have trouble looking past the iPad, which is evolving about as fast as the iPod (not fast enough).</p>
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		<title>By: Tal</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tal]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Aug 2011 18:38:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kevin - to give you the credit here, you were predicting what made the most sense for HP still. Some of us disagreed due to practicality, but you were right about how they should have tried harder. Once they have made the mistake and bought Palm, they should have tried for at least 1 more year to become #3. Maybe even run emulators to run iPhone and Android apps. Their product wasn&#039;t bad. Here comes a new CEO and shifts the strategy of a giant. Well giants can&#039;t change direction in the middle of the run. We knew about Nokia and RIM from day one. We know about HP today too. With much less reserves now too in the bank with the Autonomy acquisition its a slippery slope.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin &#8211; to give you the credit here, you were predicting what made the most sense for HP still. Some of us disagreed due to practicality, but you were right about how they should have tried harder. Once they have made the mistake and bought Palm, they should have tried for at least 1 more year to become #3. Maybe even run emulators to run iPhone and Android apps. Their product wasn&#8217;t bad. Here comes a new CEO and shifts the strategy of a giant. Well giants can&#8217;t change direction in the middle of the run. We knew about Nokia and RIM from day one. We know about HP today too. With much less reserves now too in the bank with the Autonomy acquisition its a slippery slope.</p>
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