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		<title>By: A.R.</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2011/08/12/guest-post-stealing-isnt-saving/#comment-648690</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[A.R.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Aug 2011 12:26:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Roettgers is tacitly arguing that content theft is legitimate and socially acceptable. Truth is, it’s neither.&quot;

I think you&#039;re wrong buddy, it&#039;s socially acceptable for a ton of people!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Roettgers is tacitly arguing that content theft is legitimate and socially acceptable. Truth is, it’s neither.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think you&#8217;re wrong buddy, it&#8217;s socially acceptable for a ton of people!</p>
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		<title>By: haestus</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2011/08/12/guest-post-stealing-isnt-saving/#comment-647829</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Aug 2011 17:52:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Actually its a good thing. You cannot comment on their blog. Here it gives us the ability to respond to their lies and half truths.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually its a good thing. You cannot comment on their blog. Here it gives us the ability to respond to their lies and half truths.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2011/08/12/guest-post-stealing-isnt-saving/#comment-647657</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Aug 2011 03:36:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Piracy is not Theft! http://bit.ly/2mwUjm]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Piracy is not Theft! <a href="http://bit.ly/2mwUjm" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/2mwUjm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2011/08/12/guest-post-stealing-isnt-saving/#comment-647387</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Aug 2011 15:09:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[They aren&#039;t sued for theft because the damages would be limited to the value of the item &quot;stolen&quot;, not the ridiculous fines the government sees fit to attach to movies and music.  Theoretically, under our current laws, there would be a basis for a civil suit for theft (not that I agree).  

At any rate, it&#039;s far more profitable to sue for $100,000+ per song than it is to sue for $0.99 a song.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They aren&#8217;t sued for theft because the damages would be limited to the value of the item &#8220;stolen&#8221;, not the ridiculous fines the government sees fit to attach to movies and music.  Theoretically, under our current laws, there would be a basis for a civil suit for theft (not that I agree).  </p>
<p>At any rate, it&#8217;s far more profitable to sue for $100,000+ per song than it is to sue for $0.99 a song.</p>
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		<title>By: gary</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2011/08/12/guest-post-stealing-isnt-saving/#comment-647333</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Aug 2011 10:48:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am from outside the US and here there is no option of sites like hulu or netflix available to me. There is very little choice for me to access tv shows and movies on my computer legally at reasonable prices and even less that will give you the freedom to watch your product how you choose.
I still fully believe the content companies are way behind in offering anything that can be considered a proper alternative to piracy. 
I mean seriously, I don&#039;t want to come home from work at the end of the day and have to get out my credit card and pay out half my days pay just to sit down and watch a few tv shows whilst I eat my dinner.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am from outside the US and here there is no option of sites like hulu or netflix available to me. There is very little choice for me to access tv shows and movies on my computer legally at reasonable prices and even less that will give you the freedom to watch your product how you choose.<br />
I still fully believe the content companies are way behind in offering anything that can be considered a proper alternative to piracy.<br />
I mean seriously, I don&#8217;t want to come home from work at the end of the day and have to get out my credit card and pay out half my days pay just to sit down and watch a few tv shows whilst I eat my dinner.</p>
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		<title>By: Que Quotion</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2011/08/12/guest-post-stealing-isnt-saving/#comment-647290</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Aug 2011 06:10:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;if Roettgers had written that financially insecure families will shoplift clothes from a department store this fall to save on back-to-school costs for their children&quot;

They will.

There are plenty of people who will do exactly that.

You haven&#039;t considered the lower class in your economic theology.

Try as they may, not everyone can afford to pay for the essentials and they will take what they need, right or wrong.

Is stealing to survive illegal? Of course.
Is it malicious? Not at all.
Is it wrong? Hardly.

The usual department store&#039;s markup is around 200%. Furthermore, most department stores are franchises with the support of a large corporation behind them.

Losing a few t-shirts isn&#039;t going to bring down the industry.

Mr. and Mrs. Doe may have a foreclosed home, bankruptcy, no jobs, and four children in elementary school. Their families may be no better off then they are. Their town may not have a shelters. There may not be any place to get things like food and clothing for free. They may not want to beg.

Is stealing their only option? No.
Will they try to other ways? Probably.
Will they run out of options? Eventually.

How is this relevant to digital multimedia?

People need entertainment like they need oxygen, clothing, shelter, food and water. Humans found ways to entertain themselves even before the dawn of civilization.

If they can&#039;t afford it, they can&#039;t get it for free, and they can&#039;t make their own--they will take it.


The biggest problem with your analogy however, is the same one with every argument from the MPAA: physical property and digital property are /not/ essentially the same.

I understand it&#039;s your job to fight a changing world so that your industry can suck the last few pennies out of it&#039;s dying markets, but sooner or later you have to admit defeat.

That&#039;s not to say there&#039;s no profit in multimedia. Of course there is. Of course people will want to see their favorite bands live or watch movies on the silver screen now and then. There will always be initial broadcasts to plug commercials into.

Easily replicated mediums, like digital files, CDs, DVDs, VHS tapes etc etc, are not a viable market any more. Accept it, or squander all of your resources fighting the inevitable.

Broadcasts, live performances, and the theater experience are where you stand a chance to make money.

Perhaps the MPAA doesn&#039;t believe this is enough money to support the industry. Try it and be surprised.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;if Roettgers had written that financially insecure families will shoplift clothes from a department store this fall to save on back-to-school costs for their children&#8221;</p>
<p>They will.</p>
<p>There are plenty of people who will do exactly that.</p>
<p>You haven&#8217;t considered the lower class in your economic theology.</p>
<p>Try as they may, not everyone can afford to pay for the essentials and they will take what they need, right or wrong.</p>
<p>Is stealing to survive illegal? Of course.<br />
Is it malicious? Not at all.<br />
Is it wrong? Hardly.</p>
<p>The usual department store&#8217;s markup is around 200%. Furthermore, most department stores are franchises with the support of a large corporation behind them.</p>
<p>Losing a few t-shirts isn&#8217;t going to bring down the industry.</p>
<p>Mr. and Mrs. Doe may have a foreclosed home, bankruptcy, no jobs, and four children in elementary school. Their families may be no better off then they are. Their town may not have a shelters. There may not be any place to get things like food and clothing for free. They may not want to beg.</p>
<p>Is stealing their only option? No.<br />
Will they try to other ways? Probably.<br />
Will they run out of options? Eventually.</p>
<p>How is this relevant to digital multimedia?</p>
<p>People need entertainment like they need oxygen, clothing, shelter, food and water. Humans found ways to entertain themselves even before the dawn of civilization.</p>
<p>If they can&#8217;t afford it, they can&#8217;t get it for free, and they can&#8217;t make their own&#8211;they will take it.</p>
<p>The biggest problem with your analogy however, is the same one with every argument from the MPAA: physical property and digital property are /not/ essentially the same.</p>
<p>I understand it&#8217;s your job to fight a changing world so that your industry can suck the last few pennies out of it&#8217;s dying markets, but sooner or later you have to admit defeat.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s not to say there&#8217;s no profit in multimedia. Of course there is. Of course people will want to see their favorite bands live or watch movies on the silver screen now and then. There will always be initial broadcasts to plug commercials into.</p>
<p>Easily replicated mediums, like digital files, CDs, DVDs, VHS tapes etc etc, are not a viable market any more. Accept it, or squander all of your resources fighting the inevitable.</p>
<p>Broadcasts, live performances, and the theater experience are where you stand a chance to make money.</p>
<p>Perhaps the MPAA doesn&#8217;t believe this is enough money to support the industry. Try it and be surprised.</p>
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		<title>By: Guest</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2011/08/12/guest-post-stealing-isnt-saving/#comment-647199</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Aug 2011 19:46:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;intellectual overloards&quot;......you&#039;ll forgive me if i find this choice of words to be laughable. Anyone who can&#039;t grasp the differences in the consepts of theft and copyright infringement cannot, in any meaningful sense, be considered my &quot;intellectual overlord&quot;. Her words ring hollow of any critical thought, let alone any critical thought of the article by Janko that she read.
No, her words only show me how willfully ignorant she, and many in her industry, are happy to remain.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;intellectual overloards&#8221;&#8230;&#8230;you&#8217;ll forgive me if i find this choice of words to be laughable. Anyone who can&#8217;t grasp the differences in the consepts of theft and copyright infringement cannot, in any meaningful sense, be considered my &#8220;intellectual overlord&#8221;. Her words ring hollow of any critical thought, let alone any critical thought of the article by Janko that she read.<br />
No, her words only show me how willfully ignorant she, and many in her industry, are happy to remain.</p>
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		<title>By: Travis McCrea</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2011/08/12/guest-post-stealing-isnt-saving/#comment-647184</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Travis McCrea]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Aug 2011 18:30:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[After reading this article, I am now getting out of the file sharing game. I no longer will seed my ubuntu torrents, I will even turn my back on development communities which only make tools. 

How could I have missed the connection that downloading bits is the same as physically stealing clothing or a TV? 

Furthermore, I should probably stop developing http://tormovies.org because the website can be used to advertise movies in ways that the media industries don&#039;t like.

Honestly, why the hell do we even have the internet? All it&#039;s good for is all you thieving jackasses from stealing these hard working Amerian&#039;s 1s and 0s! They put lots of effort into those 1s and 0s and they should have the right to shut down any medium they desire to protect them!

I propose that we change the name of the internet from World Wide Web (WWW) to &quot;Tom Cruise&quot; so that everyone remembers just how much work went into this. 

You know who else supported sharing? The communists. That&#039;s right, all you people who support culture are secretly just communist bastards.

Of course artists could make more money by embracing a new business model, but who cares about the artists? Who it should really be about is the media INDUSTRIES the artists just MAKE the content, it is the industry who gets to decide what people really want and what country those people are allowed to be in. 

I am sorry media industries for running on a platform of an open culture, because really what I mean is not &quot;share your life and let your friends take part in something that makes you feel emotions&quot; I mean &quot;you should be able to be lazy and rip everything off that you want&quot;.

Thank you Alex Swartsel, without you I would have never seen the light.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After reading this article, I am now getting out of the file sharing game. I no longer will seed my ubuntu torrents, I will even turn my back on development communities which only make tools. </p>
<p>How could I have missed the connection that downloading bits is the same as physically stealing clothing or a TV? </p>
<p>Furthermore, I should probably stop developing <a href="http://tormovies.org" rel="nofollow">http://tormovies.org</a> because the website can be used to advertise movies in ways that the media industries don&#8217;t like.</p>
<p>Honestly, why the hell do we even have the internet? All it&#8217;s good for is all you thieving jackasses from stealing these hard working Amerian&#8217;s 1s and 0s! They put lots of effort into those 1s and 0s and they should have the right to shut down any medium they desire to protect them!</p>
<p>I propose that we change the name of the internet from World Wide Web (WWW) to &#8220;Tom Cruise&#8221; so that everyone remembers just how much work went into this. </p>
<p>You know who else supported sharing? The communists. That&#8217;s right, all you people who support culture are secretly just communist bastards.</p>
<p>Of course artists could make more money by embracing a new business model, but who cares about the artists? Who it should really be about is the media INDUSTRIES the artists just MAKE the content, it is the industry who gets to decide what people really want and what country those people are allowed to be in. </p>
<p>I am sorry media industries for running on a platform of an open culture, because really what I mean is not &#8220;share your life and let your friends take part in something that makes you feel emotions&#8221; I mean &#8220;you should be able to be lazy and rip everything off that you want&#8221;.</p>
<p>Thank you Alex Swartsel, without you I would have never seen the light.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan Lawler</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2011/08/12/guest-post-stealing-isnt-saving/#comment-647158</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ryan Lawler]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Aug 2011 15:01:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Dave - I&#039;ll take this, since it was my partly my decision to re-print the MPAA response on GigaOM. When I saw it on the MPAA blog, I thought it was a fair criticism of our original piece and figured it warranted distribution alongside Janko&#039;s take on the topic. We want to have as many alternative viewpoints heard, even if those don&#039;t necessarily agree with our own. As Todd McKinney argues in these comments, it was not our intent to  encourage piracy, but to highlight the reality of the world that organizations like the MPAA and the Hollywood studios currently face. And in that world -- rightly or wrongly -- digital copies of most Hollywood and broadcast TV content can be easily found and downloaded (or streamed), if only the user is willing to look hard enough. 

Over the past few years, the studios and broadcasters were able to effectively combat this by making their content more available through cheap subscription plans like Netflix and free, ad-supported sites like Hulu. That made it easy for users to watch what they wanted, in a bright, well-lit place, without having to search Torrent sites. But it seems there&#039;s been a general pullback from that strategy, and that, along with general economic malaise, could lead people to stop paying as much for content. In other words, a perfect storm for piracy. But what Janko is advocating for is not piracy, but just the opposite -- more and easier access to legitimate streams of content.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Dave &#8211; I&#8217;ll take this, since it was my partly my decision to re-print the MPAA response on GigaOM. When I saw it on the MPAA blog, I thought it was a fair criticism of our original piece and figured it warranted distribution alongside Janko&#8217;s take on the topic. We want to have as many alternative viewpoints heard, even if those don&#8217;t necessarily agree with our own. As Todd McKinney argues in these comments, it was not our intent to  encourage piracy, but to highlight the reality of the world that organizations like the MPAA and the Hollywood studios currently face. And in that world &#8212; rightly or wrongly &#8212; digital copies of most Hollywood and broadcast TV content can be easily found and downloaded (or streamed), if only the user is willing to look hard enough. </p>
<p>Over the past few years, the studios and broadcasters were able to effectively combat this by making their content more available through cheap subscription plans like Netflix and free, ad-supported sites like Hulu. That made it easy for users to watch what they wanted, in a bright, well-lit place, without having to search Torrent sites. But it seems there&#8217;s been a general pullback from that strategy, and that, along with general economic malaise, could lead people to stop paying as much for content. In other words, a perfect storm for piracy. But what Janko is advocating for is not piracy, but just the opposite &#8212; more and easier access to legitimate streams of content.</p>
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		<title>By: Ramin</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Aug 2011 18:54:10 +0000</pubDate>
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