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		<title>By: Sling Trebuchet</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2011/07/14/does-google-solve-the-privacy-problem-or-make-it-worse/#comment-641697</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sling Trebuchet]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jul 2011 15:48:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There isn&#039;t any privacy in Google+
Google are zapping private profiles.

Google+ is public performance art. &#039;Privacy&#039; amounts to preventing random members of the audience from heckling.

As for real privacy:

http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Who_is_harmed_by_a_%22Real_Names%22_policy%3F


I don&#039;t know how many of you gentle readers have ever had a deranged online stalker. If you had, you&#039;d not lightly - if ever again - put real name and background up for the universe to trawl over.
What would you do? Enter a silent order of nuns/monks and never speak on the Net again?

I look at the names of posters in this thread. These might or might not be your real names. It does not matter. Your opinions are just as valid no matter what the label is.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There isn&#8217;t any privacy in Google+<br />
Google are zapping private profiles.</p>
<p>Google+ is public performance art. &#8216;Privacy&#8217; amounts to preventing random members of the audience from heckling.</p>
<p>As for real privacy:</p>
<p><a href="http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Who_is_harmed_by_a_%22Real_Names%22_policy%3F" rel="nofollow">http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Who_is_harmed_by_a_%22Real_Names%22_policy%3F</a></p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know how many of you gentle readers have ever had a deranged online stalker. If you had, you&#8217;d not lightly &#8211; if ever again &#8211; put real name and background up for the universe to trawl over.<br />
What would you do? Enter a silent order of nuns/monks and never speak on the Net again?</p>
<p>I look at the names of posters in this thread. These might or might not be your real names. It does not matter. Your opinions are just as valid no matter what the label is.</p>
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		<title>By: Luke Toney</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2011/07/14/does-google-solve-the-privacy-problem-or-make-it-worse/#comment-639716</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Luke Toney]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jul 2011 18:02:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Both this article and Wong are mistaken in a few ways. First, Wong&#039;s assertion about strangers being able to comment on the updates of people they don&#039;t know/vice versa...to say that this makes Google+ less secure than Facebook is folly, although I&#039;m not surprised a facebook employee would say it. The article states this is something users &quot;may find uncomfortable and even disturbing.&quot; No, actually, I&#039;d say they&#039;d find it just like Twitter, which having been in G+ since the very early days, I can tell you it has received just as many comparisons to. 

But on a grander scale, the article as a whole misses the mark by thinking that Google+ is like Facebook at all. G+, although a social network on its face, is actually about conquering the world, and it&#039;s doing a pretty darn good job of that. G+ is about bringing everything you do on the web to one place, and that one place is now controlled by Google. 

Fortunately, I&#039;m okay with this because I really like Google. In the earliest days of G+, watching users live edit a Google Doc being created to teach people to use G+, watching the doc shared and spread through people&#039;s streams, watching photos uploaded directly into the cloud via Picasa (now Google Photo), one could see a much bigger picture unfolding. That picture doesn&#039;t need to be like facebook or replace facebook. It&#039;s something entirely different...much much bigger than Facebook.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Both this article and Wong are mistaken in a few ways. First, Wong&#8217;s assertion about strangers being able to comment on the updates of people they don&#8217;t know/vice versa&#8230;to say that this makes Google+ less secure than Facebook is folly, although I&#8217;m not surprised a facebook employee would say it. The article states this is something users &#8220;may find uncomfortable and even disturbing.&#8221; No, actually, I&#8217;d say they&#8217;d find it just like Twitter, which having been in G+ since the very early days, I can tell you it has received just as many comparisons to. </p>
<p>But on a grander scale, the article as a whole misses the mark by thinking that Google+ is like Facebook at all. G+, although a social network on its face, is actually about conquering the world, and it&#8217;s doing a pretty darn good job of that. G+ is about bringing everything you do on the web to one place, and that one place is now controlled by Google. </p>
<p>Fortunately, I&#8217;m okay with this because I really like Google. In the earliest days of G+, watching users live edit a Google Doc being created to teach people to use G+, watching the doc shared and spread through people&#8217;s streams, watching photos uploaded directly into the cloud via Picasa (now Google Photo), one could see a much bigger picture unfolding. That picture doesn&#8217;t need to be like facebook or replace facebook. It&#8217;s something entirely different&#8230;much much bigger than Facebook.</p>
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		<title>By: Ricardo Proença</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2011/07/14/does-google-solve-the-privacy-problem-or-make-it-worse/#comment-639577</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ricardo Proença]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jul 2011 14:15:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The problem with Yishan Won (and the people that share is opinion) is that they are using Google+ with a Facebook mindset instead of a real life social network mindset.
Several comments already stated this, pointing towards the situation that if you share something in Google+ you must choose to which person or group of persons (circles). That’s how you interact and manage your social network in real life.
Since you can’t have a middle ground in Facebook, (persons are your friends or aren’t your friends) and people are afraid of a privacy debacle, they don’t reproduce in it your real life social network. Because of this constraint Facebook is used this way:
a)	People only add (or tend to had) their closest friends;
b)	People only share a really small subset of things.
These things tend to reinforce each other to diminish the value of Facebook’s social graph – Facebook only knows a specific set of your social graph and a specific set of your interactions.
You can say that Facebook now has groups and lists but they aren’t a core part of the Facebook experience hence it isn’t a natural way to use Facebook. 
Google+ is built to manage and to allow every (or almost every) type of social interaction that you have. 
That’s why the circles feature is so important – because it allows you to structure your social graph as you structure your real life social network. And core to the Google+ and the circles feature is the notion of privacy.
Check Google+ Help and you can see that the word “privacy” or “who can see your post, photo, etc” is pervasive in every feature of the service.
Google understands that only by going this route it can beat Facebook in the social network space – by mimicking your real life social network.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem with Yishan Won (and the people that share is opinion) is that they are using Google+ with a Facebook mindset instead of a real life social network mindset.<br />
Several comments already stated this, pointing towards the situation that if you share something in Google+ you must choose to which person or group of persons (circles). That’s how you interact and manage your social network in real life.<br />
Since you can’t have a middle ground in Facebook, (persons are your friends or aren’t your friends) and people are afraid of a privacy debacle, they don’t reproduce in it your real life social network. Because of this constraint Facebook is used this way:<br />
a)	People only add (or tend to had) their closest friends;<br />
b)	People only share a really small subset of things.<br />
These things tend to reinforce each other to diminish the value of Facebook’s social graph – Facebook only knows a specific set of your social graph and a specific set of your interactions.<br />
You can say that Facebook now has groups and lists but they aren’t a core part of the Facebook experience hence it isn’t a natural way to use Facebook.<br />
Google+ is built to manage and to allow every (or almost every) type of social interaction that you have.<br />
That’s why the circles feature is so important – because it allows you to structure your social graph as you structure your real life social network. And core to the Google+ and the circles feature is the notion of privacy.<br />
Check Google+ Help and you can see that the word “privacy” or “who can see your post, photo, etc” is pervasive in every feature of the service.<br />
Google understands that only by going this route it can beat Facebook in the social network space – by mimicking your real life social network.</p>
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		<title>By: Kokoro Dudu</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2011/07/14/does-google-solve-the-privacy-problem-or-make-it-worse/#comment-639523</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kokoro Dudu]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jul 2011 09:06:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Mat,

I wonder if you have been reading the comments people have made about your posts. Your comments here also don&#039;t make sense. Putting friends into circles doesn&#039;t take time because you add them when those friends are added not some type of chore you do at month end or when you have 1,000 friends.

Facebook list is hard and a chore because the Lists are not readily seen and by the time you get around to it, you are already 500 friends deep.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Mat,</p>
<p>I wonder if you have been reading the comments people have made about your posts. Your comments here also don&#8217;t make sense. Putting friends into circles doesn&#8217;t take time because you add them when those friends are added not some type of chore you do at month end or when you have 1,000 friends.</p>
<p>Facebook list is hard and a chore because the Lists are not readily seen and by the time you get around to it, you are already 500 friends deep.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed White</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2011/07/14/does-google-solve-the-privacy-problem-or-make-it-worse/#comment-639500</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ed White]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jul 2011 05:42:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think the premise behind Mr. Wong&#039;s criticism is kind of off-base, and I think that there is a pretty wide-spread misunderstanding of how circles work...I&#039;m pretty disappointed that GigaOm is perpetuating it, rather than clarifying, especially since Google+ has the flexibility to replace Facebook AND Twitter AND LinkedIn--ergo REDUCING, not increasing, social fatigue.

Yes, the asymmetric relationship exists in Google+ where people can follow you as they would on Twitter. Like Twitter, if I post anything publicly, I expect comments from anyone and everyone--a public forum.

From there, I can escalate the relationship to make it reciprocal, adding my encircler into one of my circles.  This would give them access to information I post to only one of my circles, much like when I decide to post on Facebook and not Twitter.

Taking this a step further, If I want this person to only see my public and professional persona, I can put them in the appropriate circle, preventing them from seeing my personal side. This would replicate the effect of posting to LinkedIn without posting to Twitter and Facebook.

If the person is a good friend, I can add them to a circle of only my bestest friend, replacing networks like Path.

And, get this, let&#039;s just say that someone who encircles you happens to be a coworker who is also a close friend, you can add him to all three circles--the &quot;Facebook,&quot; &quot;LinkedIn,&quot; and &quot;Path&quot; privacy settings--so that he can see all aspects of your online social life, since he&#039;d be in those social circles in real life, too.  What a concept!

Furthermore, if you&#039;re a power-user, Google Circles are an integrated list, so you can share stuff about, say, local monster truck rallies to only people you know would care.

And yes, I concede that creating and managing all these circles can be exhausting, but I figure that you&#039;re already taking that kind of trouble if you&#039;re *that* concerned about privacy!  The only two features I wish Google would add would be the ability to make circles public so people can opt-in, like updates from niche subjects for professionals, and the ability to subtract a circle so that everyone BUT that circle can see an update.  Otherwise, though, I see Google&#039;s Circles as a work of genius--an online reflection of how we truly interact IRL...I hope you can better explain that in the future!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the premise behind Mr. Wong&#8217;s criticism is kind of off-base, and I think that there is a pretty wide-spread misunderstanding of how circles work&#8230;I&#8217;m pretty disappointed that GigaOm is perpetuating it, rather than clarifying, especially since Google+ has the flexibility to replace Facebook AND Twitter AND LinkedIn&#8211;ergo REDUCING, not increasing, social fatigue.</p>
<p>Yes, the asymmetric relationship exists in Google+ where people can follow you as they would on Twitter. Like Twitter, if I post anything publicly, I expect comments from anyone and everyone&#8211;a public forum.</p>
<p>From there, I can escalate the relationship to make it reciprocal, adding my encircler into one of my circles.  This would give them access to information I post to only one of my circles, much like when I decide to post on Facebook and not Twitter.</p>
<p>Taking this a step further, If I want this person to only see my public and professional persona, I can put them in the appropriate circle, preventing them from seeing my personal side. This would replicate the effect of posting to LinkedIn without posting to Twitter and Facebook.</p>
<p>If the person is a good friend, I can add them to a circle of only my bestest friend, replacing networks like Path.</p>
<p>And, get this, let&#8217;s just say that someone who encircles you happens to be a coworker who is also a close friend, you can add him to all three circles&#8211;the &#8220;Facebook,&#8221; &#8220;LinkedIn,&#8221; and &#8220;Path&#8221; privacy settings&#8211;so that he can see all aspects of your online social life, since he&#8217;d be in those social circles in real life, too.  What a concept!</p>
<p>Furthermore, if you&#8217;re a power-user, Google Circles are an integrated list, so you can share stuff about, say, local monster truck rallies to only people you know would care.</p>
<p>And yes, I concede that creating and managing all these circles can be exhausting, but I figure that you&#8217;re already taking that kind of trouble if you&#8217;re *that* concerned about privacy!  The only two features I wish Google would add would be the ability to make circles public so people can opt-in, like updates from niche subjects for professionals, and the ability to subtract a circle so that everyone BUT that circle can see an update.  Otherwise, though, I see Google&#8217;s Circles as a work of genius&#8211;an online reflection of how we truly interact IRL&#8230;I hope you can better explain that in the future!</p>
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		<title>By: Armin</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2011/07/14/does-google-solve-the-privacy-problem-or-make-it-worse/#comment-639445</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Armin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jul 2011 23:09:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[maybe at some point you need to step back and take a look at your two pieces and take the criticism people are giving you and try to understand why you are getting all these criticism. Both articles have more critical of your writing than your normal articles. There is probably a reason for that, so instead of defending your self in the comments, try to actually understand why the are criticizing... maybe there are holes all over your pieces.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>maybe at some point you need to step back and take a look at your two pieces and take the criticism people are giving you and try to understand why you are getting all these criticism. Both articles have more critical of your writing than your normal articles. There is probably a reason for that, so instead of defending your self in the comments, try to actually understand why the are criticizing&#8230; maybe there are holes all over your pieces.</p>
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		<title>By: Armin</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2011/07/14/does-google-solve-the-privacy-problem-or-make-it-worse/#comment-639443</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Armin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jul 2011 23:06:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[no it actually does not take time.... If one is that pressed for time, you should not be on a&quot;social&quot; network. That is what email is for...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>no it actually does not take time&#8230;. If one is that pressed for time, you should not be on a&#8221;social&#8221; network. That is what email is for&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Armin</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2011/07/14/does-google-solve-the-privacy-problem-or-make-it-worse/#comment-639441</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Armin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jul 2011 23:04:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, but the points that you have raised in both pieces have been flawed. It&#039;s obvious you were trying to be critical and in someways it makes sense, since  90% of the articles are positive you want to try to stand out. But you are trying way to hard and its hurting your reputation. If you want to make a point at least make sure it is sound and your own opinion. Instead of taking other peoples words (which are baseless to begin with) and trying to make a whole article out of it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, but the points that you have raised in both pieces have been flawed. It&#8217;s obvious you were trying to be critical and in someways it makes sense, since  90% of the articles are positive you want to try to stand out. But you are trying way to hard and its hurting your reputation. If you want to make a point at least make sure it is sound and your own opinion. Instead of taking other peoples words (which are baseless to begin with) and trying to make a whole article out of it.</p>
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		<title>By: khaled</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[khaled]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jul 2011 23:03:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t get G+ Circle until now!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t get G+ Circle until now!!</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tim]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jul 2011 22:40:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sometimes oversharing is a feature.  At least I sometimes like to imagine that a certain someone might be interested enough to evesdrop on my conversations.  But if Google+ gives me the power to prevent this, can I still allow it to somehow happen &quot;accidentally&quot;, as if I don&#039;t know how use Circles?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sometimes oversharing is a feature.  At least I sometimes like to imagine that a certain someone might be interested enough to evesdrop on my conversations.  But if Google+ gives me the power to prevent this, can I still allow it to somehow happen &#8220;accidentally&#8221;, as if I don&#8217;t know how use Circles?</p>
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