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	<title>Comments on: So What Should Cisco Really Have Done With Flip?</title>
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		<title>By: Michael Wolf</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2011/04/15/so-what-should-cisco-really-have-done-with-flip/#comment-617483</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Wolf]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Apr 2011 19:35:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@aep529 - Clearly you haven&#039;t gone to Disneyland or to any kid&#039;s sporting event in recent years. :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@aep529 &#8211; Clearly you haven&#8217;t gone to Disneyland or to any kid&#8217;s sporting event in recent years. :)</p>
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		<title>By: aep529</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2011/04/15/so-what-should-cisco-really-have-done-with-flip/#comment-617440</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[aep529]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Apr 2011 15:46:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Were Flip cameras REALLY selling? They seemed to have become one of Woot&#039;s darlings. I&#039;ve never actually seen a Flip camera, nor found a reason to look into buying one. I have multiple digital cameras that shoot HD video through real lenses, and onto removable media. Why buy yet another device? And WiFi access? Please! The only way to move large volumes of data is through a direct connection, either a cable or removable media.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Were Flip cameras REALLY selling? They seemed to have become one of Woot&#8217;s darlings. I&#8217;ve never actually seen a Flip camera, nor found a reason to look into buying one. I have multiple digital cameras that shoot HD video through real lenses, and onto removable media. Why buy yet another device? And WiFi access? Please! The only way to move large volumes of data is through a direct connection, either a cable or removable media.</p>
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		<title>By: Brad Reese</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2011/04/15/so-what-should-cisco-really-have-done-with-flip/#comment-617428</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brad Reese]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Apr 2011 14:04:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Paul,

Cisco won&#039;t have any credibility now when it tries to create FUD about its future start-up competitors (for example, a favorite Cisco FUD tactic has always been to state, &quot;this start-up Cisco competitor might not be around in 2-years&quot;).

Sincerely,

Brad Reese]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Paul,</p>
<p>Cisco won&#8217;t have any credibility now when it tries to create FUD about its future start-up competitors (for example, a favorite Cisco FUD tactic has always been to state, &#8220;this start-up Cisco competitor might not be around in 2-years&#8221;).</p>
<p>Sincerely,</p>
<p>Brad Reese</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2011/04/15/so-what-should-cisco-really-have-done-with-flip/#comment-617423</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Apr 2011 13:26:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Part of the damage done by shutting it down so quickly is in the message a shut-down sends to channel partners and others who would want to do business with Cisco.  

For example, employees at a company sold to Cisco are now that much less likely to stay, knowing that Cisco could just shoot them without warning or even attempting to keep their unit viable.

As for Flip&#039;s margins, One of Cisco&#039;s great strengths has been its willingness to be in businesses with very diverse margins.  They were getting 80%+ gross margins (on hardware!) for some of their big iron early on, yet they bought and expanded Linksys on margins sometimes less than half that.  A rare and impressive feat, even if they never seemed to achieve the potential synergies between Linksys and their &#039;real&#039; networking business.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Part of the damage done by shutting it down so quickly is in the message a shut-down sends to channel partners and others who would want to do business with Cisco.  </p>
<p>For example, employees at a company sold to Cisco are now that much less likely to stay, knowing that Cisco could just shoot them without warning or even attempting to keep their unit viable.</p>
<p>As for Flip&#8217;s margins, One of Cisco&#8217;s great strengths has been its willingness to be in businesses with very diverse margins.  They were getting 80%+ gross margins (on hardware!) for some of their big iron early on, yet they bought and expanded Linksys on margins sometimes less than half that.  A rare and impressive feat, even if they never seemed to achieve the potential synergies between Linksys and their &#8216;real&#8217; networking business.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2011/04/15/so-what-should-cisco-really-have-done-with-flip/#comment-617269</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Apr 2011 23:43:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Please, they shut it down so that no one would make something of it and further embarrass Cisco. Any kind of spinout or sale allowed someone to make Cisco look bad. This path ensures the tax write off, makes them seem &quot;serious&quot; and puts it to bed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please, they shut it down so that no one would make something of it and further embarrass Cisco. Any kind of spinout or sale allowed someone to make Cisco look bad. This path ensures the tax write off, makes them seem &#8220;serious&#8221; and puts it to bed.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Love</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2011/04/15/so-what-should-cisco-really-have-done-with-flip/#comment-617224</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Scott Love]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Apr 2011 16:10:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In David Pogue&#039;s NY Times article on Thursday, he had been briefed on an all new Flip device that was WiFi enabled and ready to go to market.  Seems odd that Cisco wouldn&#039;t at least retain investment bankers to broker a deal with another company like Facebook or YouTube/Google.   Maybe that is still an option.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In David Pogue&#8217;s NY Times article on Thursday, he had been briefed on an all new Flip device that was WiFi enabled and ready to go to market.  Seems odd that Cisco wouldn&#8217;t at least retain investment bankers to broker a deal with another company like Facebook or YouTube/Google.   Maybe that is still an option.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Jones</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2011/04/15/so-what-should-cisco-really-have-done-with-flip/#comment-630728</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Don Jones]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Apr 2011 01:08:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is also possible that there is some significant IP related to the Flip that Cisco wants to retain and repurpose for other aspects of its business.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is also possible that there is some significant IP related to the Flip that Cisco wants to retain and repurpose for other aspects of its business.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Jones</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2011/04/15/so-what-should-cisco-really-have-done-with-flip/#comment-630729</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Don Jones]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Apr 2011 01:08:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is also possible that there is some significant IP related to the Flip that Cisco wants to retain and repurpose for other aspects of its business.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is also possible that there is some significant IP related to the Flip that Cisco wants to retain and repurpose for other aspects of its business.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Jones</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2011/04/15/so-what-should-cisco-really-have-done-with-flip/#comment-630730</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Don Jones]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Apr 2011 01:08:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is also possible that there is some significant IP related to the Flip that Cisco wants to retain and repurpose for other aspects of its business.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is also possible that there is some significant IP related to the Flip that Cisco wants to retain and repurpose for other aspects of its business.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2011/04/15/so-what-should-cisco-really-have-done-with-flip/#comment-617088</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Apr 2011 20:57:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Michael, you&#039;re right about them not being fully committed to the product. That happens much too often, particularly with software and web apps. Often times an acquisition is just an exit strategy for founders who are not completely committed either, otherwise they wouldn&#039;t sell. I suppose that&#039;s why good products endure--commitment. 

I cannot disagree either about them wanting to make Wall St. happy, I mainly meant that perhaps even if that were their main goal, it&#039;s their right to pursue it.

Personally, I don&#039;t see why not just spin off or sell off, unless there are IP interests they&#039;d like to hang on to at the coat of this product. Though for me it would be a hard sell between the Flip and the iPod touch, as the iPod endures, and is much more well-rounded for everyday use, I&#039;m sure the Flip could be a thin enough operation to support that business on its own. 

Legally, Cisco is in the right. From an ethical perspective they&#039;re not necessarily in the wrong either, but it&#039;s a good example of inefficiency and lack of vision. I think that&#039;s what they&#039;re attempting to resolve with this in a heavy-handed way. It happens outside of the technology field all the time...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael, you&#8217;re right about them not being fully committed to the product. That happens much too often, particularly with software and web apps. Often times an acquisition is just an exit strategy for founders who are not completely committed either, otherwise they wouldn&#8217;t sell. I suppose that&#8217;s why good products endure&#8211;commitment. </p>
<p>I cannot disagree either about them wanting to make Wall St. happy, I mainly meant that perhaps even if that were their main goal, it&#8217;s their right to pursue it.</p>
<p>Personally, I don&#8217;t see why not just spin off or sell off, unless there are IP interests they&#8217;d like to hang on to at the coat of this product. Though for me it would be a hard sell between the Flip and the iPod touch, as the iPod endures, and is much more well-rounded for everyday use, I&#8217;m sure the Flip could be a thin enough operation to support that business on its own. </p>
<p>Legally, Cisco is in the right. From an ethical perspective they&#8217;re not necessarily in the wrong either, but it&#8217;s a good example of inefficiency and lack of vision. I think that&#8217;s what they&#8217;re attempting to resolve with this in a heavy-handed way. It happens outside of the technology field all the time&#8230;</p>
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