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		<title>By: Tim C(r)ook</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2011/03/15/report-apple-sandbags-home-screen-web-apps/#comment-610073</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tim C(r)ook]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Mar 2011 06:54:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Darwin, thanks Apple shill, Apple will be direct depositing your account soon. Keep up the good work of conducting personal attacks on anyone who criticizes Apple. Well done. More rewards will come your way, increase your attacks]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Darwin, thanks Apple shill, Apple will be direct depositing your account soon. Keep up the good work of conducting personal attacks on anyone who criticizes Apple. Well done. More rewards will come your way, increase your attacks</p>
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		<title>By: Eddie</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2011/03/15/report-apple-sandbags-home-screen-web-apps/#comment-609082</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eddie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Mar 2011 05:46:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hamranhansenhansen, thank you for clearing up the differences between an iOS home screen installed &quot;native&quot; app (Cocoa) and a Web (W3C standard) app that can also be installed on the home screen. The author of this article could have / should have had the technical background to be able to articulate it the way you did. Furthermore, I think its bad &quot;journalism&quot; on the part of GigaOm if they&#039;re basing most of this &quot;news report&quot; on an article by primarily one source, the Register of the UK (which is definitely, as you correctly stated, rooted mentally in the MSCE IT era of last century and does seem to have an anti-Apple bias from the articles I&#039;ve scanned there anecdotally in the past). The author of this article should have made the title different such as &quot;Possible Apple Bug / Transition Problem in Web Apps&quot; instead of using the words &quot;Apple Sandbags&quot;. Disappointing from GigaOm.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hamranhansenhansen, thank you for clearing up the differences between an iOS home screen installed &#8220;native&#8221; app (Cocoa) and a Web (W3C standard) app that can also be installed on the home screen. The author of this article could have / should have had the technical background to be able to articulate it the way you did. Furthermore, I think its bad &#8220;journalism&#8221; on the part of GigaOm if they&#8217;re basing most of this &#8220;news report&#8221; on an article by primarily one source, the Register of the UK (which is definitely, as you correctly stated, rooted mentally in the MSCE IT era of last century and does seem to have an anti-Apple bias from the articles I&#8217;ve scanned there anecdotally in the past). The author of this article should have made the title different such as &#8220;Possible Apple Bug / Transition Problem in Web Apps&#8221; instead of using the words &#8220;Apple Sandbags&#8221;. Disappointing from GigaOm.</p>
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		<title>By: Hamranhansenhansen</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2011/03/15/report-apple-sandbags-home-screen-web-apps/#comment-609039</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hamranhansenhansen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Mar 2011 00:32:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You know, it would be nice if somebody called out a non-Apple device for lousy W3C HTML5 Web app support. Even if everything you say here is true, iOS is still by far the best W3C app platform available. The biggest thing holding back a broader deployment of Web apps is they only run well on Apple platforms, so you might as well make a native iOS app and get all the benefits of App Store.

Considering Apple has the best Web app platform, and has had the best Web app platform for 4 years with nobody even seeming to try to challenge them, I think they have earned the benefit of the doubt that this is part of the transition to Nitro and/or a bug. But there is a double standard with regards to Apple. Any conspiracy theory will do to show they are just like Microsoft. But Microsoft, for example, has no W3C support on its mobiles, and only today rolled out W3C support on the 2 least popular of its 3 PC systems, only 8 years after Apple.

The Register is also not a good single source of any Apple-related story. They are an IT rag who are stuck in the Jurassic era of MSCE IT and who have a known bias against Apple. They are also in the UK, which sadly thinks Silicon Valley is located in Redmond, Washington.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, it would be nice if somebody called out a non-Apple device for lousy W3C HTML5 Web app support. Even if everything you say here is true, iOS is still by far the best W3C app platform available. The biggest thing holding back a broader deployment of Web apps is they only run well on Apple platforms, so you might as well make a native iOS app and get all the benefits of App Store.</p>
<p>Considering Apple has the best Web app platform, and has had the best Web app platform for 4 years with nobody even seeming to try to challenge them, I think they have earned the benefit of the doubt that this is part of the transition to Nitro and/or a bug. But there is a double standard with regards to Apple. Any conspiracy theory will do to show they are just like Microsoft. But Microsoft, for example, has no W3C support on its mobiles, and only today rolled out W3C support on the 2 least popular of its 3 PC systems, only 8 years after Apple.</p>
<p>The Register is also not a good single source of any Apple-related story. They are an IT rag who are stuck in the Jurassic era of MSCE IT and who have a known bias against Apple. They are also in the UK, which sadly thinks Silicon Valley is located in Redmond, Washington.</p>
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		<title>By: Hamranhansenhansen</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2011/03/15/report-apple-sandbags-home-screen-web-apps/#comment-609035</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hamranhansenhansen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Mar 2011 00:16:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No, all locally-installed apps are not native.

iOS supports 2 kinds of locally-installed apps:

• App Store: native, managed, CocoaTouch apps installed from Apple App Store (since mid-2008)
• W3C: open standard cross-platform W3C HTML5 Web apps installed from any server in the world (since mid-2007)

Both kinds of apps show icons side-by-side on the home screen, both run without a network connection (although a Web app can choose not to support this feature) and both are 100% supported. Contrary to the implications of this BS article and the BS article it is based on, the HTML5 application environment on iOS is the best in the industry. In spite of the fact that Apple gives away it&#039;s WebKit HTML5 engine, other device makers just don&#039;t bother to create a workable Web app platform with it. No, not even devices using Google Android.

Some app developers choose to make App Store apps, some choose to make W3C apps, some choose to make both. For example, both Flickr and Facebook have both. Some users choose one or the other or a mix of both. This choice is a key feature of iOS that developers and users demanded in 2007 when iOS only supported W3C apps.

W3C apps are not really &quot;just Web pages.&quot; The HTML5 spec was originally called &quot;Web Applications 1.0&quot;. It&#039;s more accurate to say Web apps are what replaced Web pages as we changed from HTML4 to HTML5. A key difference is Web pages run their logic primarily on a server, while Web apps run their logic primarily on a client, enabling them to continue to work even without a server connection. This also enables the user interface to be more responsive, and for a server to support many more clients simultaneously without being overloaded. Any website can be added to your iOS device as a Web app, but only some will support offline operation right now.

Go to Facebook on an iOS device, tap the share button in Safari and choose &quot;Add to Home Screen&quot; to install the HTML5 Facebook. Or do the same at Yahoo, Flickr, YouTube and many other Google apps. There are also some &quot;app stores&quot; with only HTML5 apps.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, all locally-installed apps are not native.</p>
<p>iOS supports 2 kinds of locally-installed apps:</p>
<p>• App Store: native, managed, CocoaTouch apps installed from Apple App Store (since mid-2008)<br />
• W3C: open standard cross-platform W3C HTML5 Web apps installed from any server in the world (since mid-2007)</p>
<p>Both kinds of apps show icons side-by-side on the home screen, both run without a network connection (although a Web app can choose not to support this feature) and both are 100% supported. Contrary to the implications of this BS article and the BS article it is based on, the HTML5 application environment on iOS is the best in the industry. In spite of the fact that Apple gives away it&#8217;s WebKit HTML5 engine, other device makers just don&#8217;t bother to create a workable Web app platform with it. No, not even devices using Google Android.</p>
<p>Some app developers choose to make App Store apps, some choose to make W3C apps, some choose to make both. For example, both Flickr and Facebook have both. Some users choose one or the other or a mix of both. This choice is a key feature of iOS that developers and users demanded in 2007 when iOS only supported W3C apps.</p>
<p>W3C apps are not really &#8220;just Web pages.&#8221; The HTML5 spec was originally called &#8220;Web Applications 1.0&#8243;. It&#8217;s more accurate to say Web apps are what replaced Web pages as we changed from HTML4 to HTML5. A key difference is Web pages run their logic primarily on a server, while Web apps run their logic primarily on a client, enabling them to continue to work even without a server connection. This also enables the user interface to be more responsive, and for a server to support many more clients simultaneously without being overloaded. Any website can be added to your iOS device as a Web app, but only some will support offline operation right now.</p>
<p>Go to Facebook on an iOS device, tap the share button in Safari and choose &#8220;Add to Home Screen&#8221; to install the HTML5 Facebook. Or do the same at Yahoo, Flickr, YouTube and many other Google apps. There are also some &#8220;app stores&#8221; with only HTML5 apps.</p>
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		<title>By: doctorSpoc</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2011/03/15/report-apple-sandbags-home-screen-web-apps/#comment-609033</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[doctorSpoc]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Mar 2011 00:13:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[yeah, but honestly... what is the difference?  just run your app in safari.. i just opened a few web apps to see what people are doing and the big guys run their apps in Safari.. Google does, Yahoo does.. yahoo mail.. just fake full screen by scrolling down when the page opens.. puts a div at the top and make the whole rest of the page a scrolling panel so unless you scroll that div at the top you never even see the navigation bar...

the more you look at this, the more you realize that it&#039;s much to do about nothing..]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yeah, but honestly&#8230; what is the difference?  just run your app in safari.. i just opened a few web apps to see what people are doing and the big guys run their apps in Safari.. Google does, Yahoo does.. yahoo mail.. just fake full screen by scrolling down when the page opens.. puts a div at the top and make the whole rest of the page a scrolling panel so unless you scroll that div at the top you never even see the navigation bar&#8230;</p>
<p>the more you look at this, the more you realize that it&#8217;s much to do about nothing..</p>
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		<title>By: Darwin</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2011/03/15/report-apple-sandbags-home-screen-web-apps/#comment-608983</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Darwin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Mar 2011 20:40:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[First you take your story from the register which is even less reliable than you and now you try to play innocent like you don&#039;t know anything else.  Glad to see I&#039;m not the only one calling you out on your transparently hyperbolic &#039;article&#039;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First you take your story from the register which is even less reliable than you and now you try to play innocent like you don&#8217;t know anything else.  Glad to see I&#8217;m not the only one calling you out on your transparently hyperbolic &#8216;article&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Darwin</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2011/03/15/report-apple-sandbags-home-screen-web-apps/#comment-608982</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Darwin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Mar 2011 20:38:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah sure you are.  So you launched your National Inquirer styled headline filled with nonsense in the meantime.  What a scoop.  But hey you got yourself some page views and linkbait.  So score.
It would have taken you about 2 seconds to find out this is a known bug with the just released version of JS on iOS 4.3 and the difference is pretty minimal anyway.
Time to take GigaOM out of my RSS feed.  I&#039;m tired of this.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah sure you are.  So you launched your National Inquirer styled headline filled with nonsense in the meantime.  What a scoop.  But hey you got yourself some page views and linkbait.  So score.<br />
It would have taken you about 2 seconds to find out this is a known bug with the just released version of JS on iOS 4.3 and the difference is pretty minimal anyway.<br />
Time to take GigaOM out of my RSS feed.  I&#8217;m tired of this.</p>
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		<title>By: Relwal</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2011/03/15/report-apple-sandbags-home-screen-web-apps/#comment-608972</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Relwal]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Mar 2011 19:54:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It turns out that full-screen web apps launched from the Home screen run in Web.app rather than Safari.app. And Web.app lacks the special permissions entitlement to run Nitro as Safari does. 

What remains unknown is whether that is by design or because of a bug.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It turns out that full-screen web apps launched from the Home screen run in Web.app rather than Safari.app. And Web.app lacks the special permissions entitlement to run Nitro as Safari does. </p>
<p>What remains unknown is whether that is by design or because of a bug.</p>
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		<title>By: doctorSpoc</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2011/03/15/report-apple-sandbags-home-screen-web-apps/#comment-608952</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[doctorSpoc]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Mar 2011 18:18:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;web apps&quot; are &quot;apps&quot; that run in a browser.. when i comes right down to it they are really just web pages.. generally just with lots of javascript so they are more interactive and feel more like a real app.. e.g. google docs, or yahoo mail might be considered web apps..

any link to any web page in the Safari web browser can be added as a icon on the home screen (aka desktop aka app tray) of the phone making it feel more like an app.. still opens in a browser though.. some just open full screen making the also feel more like apps... it seems when the open full screen there is a problem.. and you can also use open webpages within native apps..]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;web apps&#8221; are &#8220;apps&#8221; that run in a browser.. when i comes right down to it they are really just web pages.. generally just with lots of javascript so they are more interactive and feel more like a real app.. e.g. google docs, or yahoo mail might be considered web apps..</p>
<p>any link to any web page in the Safari web browser can be added as a icon on the home screen (aka desktop aka app tray) of the phone making it feel more like an app.. still opens in a browser though.. some just open full screen making the also feel more like apps&#8230; it seems when the open full screen there is a problem.. and you can also use open webpages within native apps..</p>
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		<title>By: DoctorSpoc</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2011/03/15/report-apple-sandbags-home-screen-web-apps/#comment-608939</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DoctorSpoc]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Mar 2011 17:36:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[iOS 4.3 updates Safari to use the nitro javascript engine (same as desktop safari) and that is why you see the speed boost..]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>iOS 4.3 updates Safari to use the nitro javascript engine (same as desktop safari) and that is why you see the speed boost..</p>
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