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	<title>Comments on: Apple Backs Up Its In-App Purchasing Ultimatum With iPad 2</title>
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		<title>By: Jet</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jet]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Mar 2011 06:53:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Completely agree. I was iPhone for 3 years then android... Had the EVO... But yes I will be back to iPhone soon. Apple can&#039;t be beat just yet. Their device integration is awesome.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Completely agree. I was iPhone for 3 years then android&#8230; Had the EVO&#8230; But yes I will be back to iPhone soon. Apple can&#8217;t be beat just yet. Their device integration is awesome.</p>
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		<title>By: PD</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[PD]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Mar 2011 21:57:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The way I understand it, Apple says if an app is used on iOS, that the app sells updates and extras through that app and refrains from encouraging users to purchase them elsewhere, like a link to a website. I am a businessman, I&#039;d do the same thing if it was me.

Honestly I don&#039;t understand all the complaining here. When you buy a drink in a bar, you can pay $5 and the profit is $3.50. When you buy a loaf of bread for $2, the cost to the supermarket is under $1. Everyone who opens a store and sells things is entitled to a profit, except Apple apparently.

If I had a product for sale and a company told me they would sell it in their store, and that they would provide millions of devices for people to effortlessly purchase it worldwide, and they would process all the credit card payments, and they would advertise my product in their store all over the world, the would provide all the customer service, and would only want a 30% of the gross sale, then I&#039;d jump on it. Anybody would because that&#039;s a sweet deal.

All the hand-wringing is about something else, and not because Apple is offering bogus terms. There&#039;s nothing bogus about it. Is it just cool to distort things to feel a sense of outrage?

As a practical matter, I&#039;ve purchased add-ons to iOS apps independently and LOST those add-ons when moving to a newer device or even resetting it. Letters to the vendors have gone unanswered. When I purchase items in-app, and move the app to a new device, the add-on is offered for free download again. I only have to buy it once instead of repeatedly. There&#039;s something to be said for purchase protection, and vendors should be grateful for this level of customer service - NO extra charge.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The way I understand it, Apple says if an app is used on iOS, that the app sells updates and extras through that app and refrains from encouraging users to purchase them elsewhere, like a link to a website. I am a businessman, I&#8217;d do the same thing if it was me.</p>
<p>Honestly I don&#8217;t understand all the complaining here. When you buy a drink in a bar, you can pay $5 and the profit is $3.50. When you buy a loaf of bread for $2, the cost to the supermarket is under $1. Everyone who opens a store and sells things is entitled to a profit, except Apple apparently.</p>
<p>If I had a product for sale and a company told me they would sell it in their store, and that they would provide millions of devices for people to effortlessly purchase it worldwide, and they would process all the credit card payments, and they would advertise my product in their store all over the world, the would provide all the customer service, and would only want a 30% of the gross sale, then I&#8217;d jump on it. Anybody would because that&#8217;s a sweet deal.</p>
<p>All the hand-wringing is about something else, and not because Apple is offering bogus terms. There&#8217;s nothing bogus about it. Is it just cool to distort things to feel a sense of outrage?</p>
<p>As a practical matter, I&#8217;ve purchased add-ons to iOS apps independently and LOST those add-ons when moving to a newer device or even resetting it. Letters to the vendors have gone unanswered. When I purchase items in-app, and move the app to a new device, the add-on is offered for free download again. I only have to buy it once instead of repeatedly. There&#8217;s something to be said for purchase protection, and vendors should be grateful for this level of customer service &#8211; NO extra charge.</p>
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		<title>By: Freckledbruh</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2011/03/15/apple-backs-up-its-in-app-purchasing-ultimatum-with-ipad-2/#comment-609005</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Freckledbruh]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Mar 2011 21:36:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not sure if you are the same Paul that referred to me upthread, but if you are, my answer to your question is that I personally think additional payments is wrong on apple&#039;s part and most likely will be revisited.

As for your previous comment, those companies are considered agencies since they do not create the content but distribute it.  Software as service would be an app like logmein which provides a service of their own creation and requires a monthly subscription to continue service.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not sure if you are the same Paul that referred to me upthread, but if you are, my answer to your question is that I personally think additional payments is wrong on apple&#8217;s part and most likely will be revisited.</p>
<p>As for your previous comment, those companies are considered agencies since they do not create the content but distribute it.  Software as service would be an app like logmein which provides a service of their own creation and requires a monthly subscription to continue service.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2011/03/15/apple-backs-up-its-in-app-purchasing-ultimatum-with-ipad-2/#comment-608995</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Mar 2011 21:17:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Freckledbruh You raise and interesting point because Apple was clear that it felt that if New subscribers were brought to the fold through their technologies, they deserved a 30% cut of that transaction.   So, what happens when the &quot;new&quot; subscriber renews his/her subscription?  Since this person is no longer a new subscriber does the publisher now get 100%?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Freckledbruh You raise and interesting point because Apple was clear that it felt that if New subscribers were brought to the fold through their technologies, they deserved a 30% cut of that transaction.   So, what happens when the &#8220;new&#8221; subscriber renews his/her subscription?  Since this person is no longer a new subscriber does the publisher now get 100%?</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Mar 2011 21:12:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Actually, if the FUD pans out on this, it would be the exact opposite.  Right now, if you want an amazon book you are kicked out of Kindle to a web page, where you need to surf to the book you want and go through Amazons checkout process.  Under Apples proposal, the Kindle bookstore would be INSIDE the app itself and you would buy with one click using your Apple account.  Apple would handle all the transactions and subscribing would be the same as any other in-app or appstore purchase - Totally seamless and straight forward, which is why the publishers are frightened by this.  It is not just the 30%, it is the loss of control they have by sending you to their sites and collecting your personal info to (maybe) sell for advertising.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, if the FUD pans out on this, it would be the exact opposite.  Right now, if you want an amazon book you are kicked out of Kindle to a web page, where you need to surf to the book you want and go through Amazons checkout process.  Under Apples proposal, the Kindle bookstore would be INSIDE the app itself and you would buy with one click using your Apple account.  Apple would handle all the transactions and subscribing would be the same as any other in-app or appstore purchase &#8211; Totally seamless and straight forward, which is why the publishers are frightened by this.  It is not just the 30%, it is the loss of control they have by sending you to their sites and collecting your personal info to (maybe) sell for advertising.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Mar 2011 21:07:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I thought that Apple specifically stated this requirement was for publishers apps and not software as a service apps.  Since neither Zinio, nor Amazon, are technically publishers, are they not exempt?  How is buying an ebook on Amazon any different to buying a paper book on Amazon, or a toaster on QVC?  You are not subscribing to either item through the app. 

Has anyone even spoken to the developers of these Apps to find out what is going on?  Could it be that all this speculation has no data to support it?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought that Apple specifically stated this requirement was for publishers apps and not software as a service apps.  Since neither Zinio, nor Amazon, are technically publishers, are they not exempt?  How is buying an ebook on Amazon any different to buying a paper book on Amazon, or a toaster on QVC?  You are not subscribing to either item through the app. </p>
<p>Has anyone even spoken to the developers of these Apps to find out what is going on?  Could it be that all this speculation has no data to support it?</p>
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		<title>By: Freckledbruh</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Freckledbruh]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Mar 2011 21:06:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think saying the previous commenter doesn&#039;t knowmwhat he&#039;s talking is pretty damn harsh.  If YOU know what you&#039;re talking about then you know that amazon used to have a 70/30 split with amazon getting 70%. Only after apple opened it&#039;s bookstore did amazon change those terms and accepted 30%.  Also, apple isn&#039;t wanting 30% for a logo on the back.  They want 30% on any NEW subscribers these companies get through the iPad.  That seems pretty fair to me since apple took the risk and spent the cash to create the iPad.  Why should some company swoop in and make millions for only a $99 investment? How would these companies feel if apple and paid apps only received os updates while free apps had to cough up additional monies to continue or get left in the dust?  Also, Netflix, amazon, etc. Spend millions to market their services and products outside of the iOS ecosystem so there&#039;s no reason to think that apple will be sucking up ALL of their revenue.  If apple did do that then I think those companies need to rethink their business plans and quit blaming apple.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think saying the previous commenter doesn&#8217;t knowmwhat he&#8217;s talking is pretty damn harsh.  If YOU know what you&#8217;re talking about then you know that amazon used to have a 70/30 split with amazon getting 70%. Only after apple opened it&#8217;s bookstore did amazon change those terms and accepted 30%.  Also, apple isn&#8217;t wanting 30% for a logo on the back.  They want 30% on any NEW subscribers these companies get through the iPad.  That seems pretty fair to me since apple took the risk and spent the cash to create the iPad.  Why should some company swoop in and make millions for only a $99 investment? How would these companies feel if apple and paid apps only received os updates while free apps had to cough up additional monies to continue or get left in the dust?  Also, Netflix, amazon, etc. Spend millions to market their services and products outside of the iOS ecosystem so there&#8217;s no reason to think that apple will be sucking up ALL of their revenue.  If apple did do that then I think those companies need to rethink their business plans and quit blaming apple.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Perry</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Perry]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Mar 2011 20:14:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m not sure Apple will pull the plug on either the Kindle or the Netflix apps come July. Steve Jobs is already muttering technicalities like a lawyer with a weak case. Buying ebooks from Amazon, we will probably be told, isn&#039;t &quot;subscribing&quot; and Netflix, Apple will claim, isn&#039;t a &quot;publisher.&quot; It&#039;ll be a lie. The Kindle app does pretty much the same thing as the recently rejected Sony app. But Apple will pretend there&#039;s a difference.

Why? Because beating up on either Amazon or Netflix isn&#039;t like beating up on a minor player like Sony. To the extent that people are buying iPads to read ebooks, they buy them for the Kindle app. The iBookstore probably has one-tenth the sales of Amazon&#039;s Kindle store. The same is true of Netflix. People buy an AppleTV to get Netflix. They don&#039;t buy one to get Apple&#039;s limited video offerings.

Recall the late 1990s when Steve Jobs made a deal with Microsoft to ensure that the then-dominant Office suite stayed on Macs. Apple&#039;s finances may be much better today than then, but if it wants to sell products, it needs the Kindle and Netflix apps just as badly.

Also, removing the Kindle and Netflix apps would create serious legal woes for Apple. Short-term they&#039;d face a massive lawsuit from customers. In their ads, Apple has promoted their iOS platform&#039;s wealth of independent apps, and two of the most popular are Kindle and Netflix. Removing those two would constitute false advertising and perhaps, if intent can be shown, outright fraud. Apple can&#039;t point to the previous existence of vague rules as justification because in the past they&#039;ve not interpreted those rules that way. What Apple has done, Apple must continue to do. I&#039;d add that the same isn&#039;t true of Amazon. The latter has always be careful to stress a Kindle&#039;s limitations. There&#039;s no false advertising and no fraud involved. 

Even more risky in the long run, attempts to use market dominance in one area  (iOS hardware) to crush competition in another (subscription sales) is a near-perfect illustration of anti-trust behavior. It&#039;d be like Amazon buying UPS and then refusing to deliver a competitor&#039;s packages without a 30% surcharge.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure Apple will pull the plug on either the Kindle or the Netflix apps come July. Steve Jobs is already muttering technicalities like a lawyer with a weak case. Buying ebooks from Amazon, we will probably be told, isn&#8217;t &#8220;subscribing&#8221; and Netflix, Apple will claim, isn&#8217;t a &#8220;publisher.&#8221; It&#8217;ll be a lie. The Kindle app does pretty much the same thing as the recently rejected Sony app. But Apple will pretend there&#8217;s a difference.</p>
<p>Why? Because beating up on either Amazon or Netflix isn&#8217;t like beating up on a minor player like Sony. To the extent that people are buying iPads to read ebooks, they buy them for the Kindle app. The iBookstore probably has one-tenth the sales of Amazon&#8217;s Kindle store. The same is true of Netflix. People buy an AppleTV to get Netflix. They don&#8217;t buy one to get Apple&#8217;s limited video offerings.</p>
<p>Recall the late 1990s when Steve Jobs made a deal with Microsoft to ensure that the then-dominant Office suite stayed on Macs. Apple&#8217;s finances may be much better today than then, but if it wants to sell products, it needs the Kindle and Netflix apps just as badly.</p>
<p>Also, removing the Kindle and Netflix apps would create serious legal woes for Apple. Short-term they&#8217;d face a massive lawsuit from customers. In their ads, Apple has promoted their iOS platform&#8217;s wealth of independent apps, and two of the most popular are Kindle and Netflix. Removing those two would constitute false advertising and perhaps, if intent can be shown, outright fraud. Apple can&#8217;t point to the previous existence of vague rules as justification because in the past they&#8217;ve not interpreted those rules that way. What Apple has done, Apple must continue to do. I&#8217;d add that the same isn&#8217;t true of Amazon. The latter has always be careful to stress a Kindle&#8217;s limitations. There&#8217;s no false advertising and no fraud involved. </p>
<p>Even more risky in the long run, attempts to use market dominance in one area  (iOS hardware) to crush competition in another (subscription sales) is a near-perfect illustration of anti-trust behavior. It&#8217;d be like Amazon buying UPS and then refusing to deliver a competitor&#8217;s packages without a 30% surcharge.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Mar 2011 18:39:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s already annoying that the Amazon store app won&#039;t show Kindle versions of books but this is making things worse.

Consumers want a transparent and straightforward solution. Amazon is trying to provide one but Apple is making it difficult. I understand some of what Apple is trying to do and agree that some of it is good for consumers but there needs to be a better balance. For example, the same price everywhere rule lets the platform dictate who wins rather than pricing artifacts -- clearly Apple thinks it has a better platform. Perhaps something that involves a smaller initial cut but adds a consumption fee would be reasonable. In that scheme, Apple would get &lt;30% for purchases made from an IOS device but the seller would also agree to pay Apple for every page view for that purchase when the customer uses an IOS based reader (up to some cap). Apple would get nothing from page views from non-IOS based readers. That would encourage platform competition while permitting Apple to monetize their platform goodness. If the other platforms are good enough everybody wins. Apple would be placing the (pretty good) bet that it can stay ahead of the platform competition.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s already annoying that the Amazon store app won&#8217;t show Kindle versions of books but this is making things worse.</p>
<p>Consumers want a transparent and straightforward solution. Amazon is trying to provide one but Apple is making it difficult. I understand some of what Apple is trying to do and agree that some of it is good for consumers but there needs to be a better balance. For example, the same price everywhere rule lets the platform dictate who wins rather than pricing artifacts &#8212; clearly Apple thinks it has a better platform. Perhaps something that involves a smaller initial cut but adds a consumption fee would be reasonable. In that scheme, Apple would get &lt;30% for purchases made from an IOS device but the seller would also agree to pay Apple for every page view for that purchase when the customer uses an IOS based reader (up to some cap). Apple would get nothing from page views from non-IOS based readers. That would encourage platform competition while permitting Apple to monetize their platform goodness. If the other platforms are good enough everybody wins. Apple would be placing the (pretty good) bet that it can stay ahead of the platform competition.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy A</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Randy A]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Mar 2011 17:58:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[After reading your comment again it is clear that you don&#039;t have any idea what you are talking about. Apple, Amazon and Barnes &amp; Noble all have exactly the same 70/30 revenue split with publishers for book sales. Apple wants Amazon and Barnes &amp; Noble to hand over their 30% cut. If Amazon sells a book in the Kindle app 70% would go to the publisher, 30% to Apple and the sale is a loss because Amazon would have to pay the processing fees for the payment.

If you want your device, OS, apps AND content all to be controlled by Apple then you&#039;re in luck. You&#039;ll soon be able to watch, hear, read and use only what Apple says that you can.

The design will be good though, so I guess you&#039;ll be happy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After reading your comment again it is clear that you don&#8217;t have any idea what you are talking about. Apple, Amazon and Barnes &amp; Noble all have exactly the same 70/30 revenue split with publishers for book sales. Apple wants Amazon and Barnes &amp; Noble to hand over their 30% cut. If Amazon sells a book in the Kindle app 70% would go to the publisher, 30% to Apple and the sale is a loss because Amazon would have to pay the processing fees for the payment.</p>
<p>If you want your device, OS, apps AND content all to be controlled by Apple then you&#8217;re in luck. You&#8217;ll soon be able to watch, hear, read and use only what Apple says that you can.</p>
<p>The design will be good though, so I guess you&#8217;ll be happy.</p>
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