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	<title>Comments on: Charter Follows Comcast With Broadband Usage Caps</title>
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		<title>By: Of Canada, Caps &#38; Clouds: Broadband News and Analysis &#171;</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2010/11/11/charter-follows-comcast-with-broadband-usage-caps/#comment-585964</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Of Canada, Caps &#38; Clouds: Broadband News and Analysis &#171;]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Feb 2011 19:44:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] example, Comcast and Charter currently have data caps that are 250 GB per month up to 500 GB respectively. Some Canadian [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Brandon</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2010/11/11/charter-follows-comcast-with-broadband-usage-caps/#comment-573867</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brandon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jan 2011 02:04:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree and disagree with the caps.  

Since I&#039;m a cable modem user, I have to share my bandwidth with my so called data gobling neighbors...yes, the one that lives next door and spends all day downloading P2P content on his 15 servers...Yes, my network acutally speeds up when he&#039;s not at home.  He should have to pay for putting stress on the network just like I would have to for putting 15 Margaritta machines outside by my pool and making his lights go dim when I&#039;m sucking the power during all night rage parties..LOL

Now, Charter or any other cable company will have to start figuring out a way to make money since more and more people are cancelling their cable programing service ($75 month).I can watch all my shows online (Hulu and Netflix), so I&#039;m real close to cancelling the &quot;TV&quot; side of Charter service.  This is a growing trend.  Just like the &quot;home&quot; phone is becoming a thing of the past.  I dropped my home phone years ago, cable TV is next...but I still need the Internet, and Charter KNOWS this...and like any other company with a vampire like business attitude, WILL profit off our high-usage...and that usage will keep growing and growing...HELL, my dam refrigerator has a Wifi option..WTF??

Yes, for those of you that like to correct my spelling or grammer..go ahead..there&#039;s always one idiot that get&#039;s clowned on a forum and has to complain about it...I&#039;m sure I mispelled something.



I&#039;ve traveled around the world on business and this is normal....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree and disagree with the caps.  </p>
<p>Since I&#8217;m a cable modem user, I have to share my bandwidth with my so called data gobling neighbors&#8230;yes, the one that lives next door and spends all day downloading P2P content on his 15 servers&#8230;Yes, my network acutally speeds up when he&#8217;s not at home.  He should have to pay for putting stress on the network just like I would have to for putting 15 Margaritta machines outside by my pool and making his lights go dim when I&#8217;m sucking the power during all night rage parties..LOL</p>
<p>Now, Charter or any other cable company will have to start figuring out a way to make money since more and more people are cancelling their cable programing service ($75 month).I can watch all my shows online (Hulu and Netflix), so I&#8217;m real close to cancelling the &#8220;TV&#8221; side of Charter service.  This is a growing trend.  Just like the &#8220;home&#8221; phone is becoming a thing of the past.  I dropped my home phone years ago, cable TV is next&#8230;but I still need the Internet, and Charter KNOWS this&#8230;and like any other company with a vampire like business attitude, WILL profit off our high-usage&#8230;and that usage will keep growing and growing&#8230;HELL, my dam refrigerator has a Wifi option..WTF??</p>
<p>Yes, for those of you that like to correct my spelling or grammer..go ahead..there&#8217;s always one idiot that get&#8217;s clowned on a forum and has to complain about it&#8230;I&#8217;m sure I mispelled something.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve traveled around the world on business and this is normal&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: 2 Cents</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2010/11/11/charter-follows-comcast-with-broadband-usage-caps/#comment-516306</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[2 Cents]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Nov 2010 22:09:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think the difference between electricity and cable is the ability to measure usage.  Electricity equates to kilowatt hours which results in more coal (pick your source) being burned.  There is a price attached to that coal and therefore a proper costing system can be appropriated.  However, in cable, a standard measure for usage is hard to determine.  Therefore, how can a variable cost be associated with cable usage?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the difference between electricity and cable is the ability to measure usage.  Electricity equates to kilowatt hours which results in more coal (pick your source) being burned.  There is a price attached to that coal and therefore a proper costing system can be appropriated.  However, in cable, a standard measure for usage is hard to determine.  Therefore, how can a variable cost be associated with cable usage?</p>
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		<title>By: 2 Cents</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2010/11/11/charter-follows-comcast-with-broadband-usage-caps/#comment-516303</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[2 Cents]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Nov 2010 22:06:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think the difference between electricity and cable is the ability to measure usage.  Electricity equates to kilowatt hours which results in more coal (pick your source) being burned.  There is a price attached to that coal and therefore a proper costing system can be appropriated.  However, in cable, a standard measure for usage is hard to determine.  Therefore, how can a variable cost be associated with cable usage?

Don&#039;t get me wrong, I agree with goldflowpoints that a usage charge would be appropriate as it is in any industry.  It regulates the service to accomodate the 98% of customers to have fair access as to not be interrupted by the 2% hogging bandwidth.  The matter is the arbitrary usage measures that the cable companies have initiated.  Are they accurate and reprsentative of overall customer usage?  With new technologies being implemented, the amount of customers utilizing streaming data will increase dramatically.  Without a proper cost measuring process in place, &quot;normal&quot; customers are likely to recieve exorbitant bills.  (It seems the definition of a &quot;normal&quot; or &quot;average&quot; customer will soon be redefined in the internet community via netflix, hulu, etc..).

As for Stop the Cap, it seems oddly similiar to those fighting copyright protection rights of musicians over P2P file copying.  Which ultimately broke down to someone wanting something for free.  Although, I would support their overall mission to protect customers from a corporation becoming abusive.  Freedom of Speech.

Oligopolies are annoying, no doubt about it.  However, with the increase usage of fiber optics, wireless telecommunication, and satellite, I find the cable companies will have less of a competitive advantage to take advantage of customers and their limited options.

As for the account suspension, I am not sure how that is going to result.  To suspend for 6 months as the next post demonstrates, immediately eliminates 6 months of future cash flows.  This could only be justified if the expense of providing service to this customer has a present value exceeding the net present value of future cash flows.  I wonder how the stockholders feel about this?

2 cents.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the difference between electricity and cable is the ability to measure usage.  Electricity equates to kilowatt hours which results in more coal (pick your source) being burned.  There is a price attached to that coal and therefore a proper costing system can be appropriated.  However, in cable, a standard measure for usage is hard to determine.  Therefore, how can a variable cost be associated with cable usage?</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t get me wrong, I agree with goldflowpoints that a usage charge would be appropriate as it is in any industry.  It regulates the service to accomodate the 98% of customers to have fair access as to not be interrupted by the 2% hogging bandwidth.  The matter is the arbitrary usage measures that the cable companies have initiated.  Are they accurate and reprsentative of overall customer usage?  With new technologies being implemented, the amount of customers utilizing streaming data will increase dramatically.  Without a proper cost measuring process in place, &#8220;normal&#8221; customers are likely to recieve exorbitant bills.  (It seems the definition of a &#8220;normal&#8221; or &#8220;average&#8221; customer will soon be redefined in the internet community via netflix, hulu, etc..).</p>
<p>As for Stop the Cap, it seems oddly similiar to those fighting copyright protection rights of musicians over P2P file copying.  Which ultimately broke down to someone wanting something for free.  Although, I would support their overall mission to protect customers from a corporation becoming abusive.  Freedom of Speech.</p>
<p>Oligopolies are annoying, no doubt about it.  However, with the increase usage of fiber optics, wireless telecommunication, and satellite, I find the cable companies will have less of a competitive advantage to take advantage of customers and their limited options.</p>
<p>As for the account suspension, I am not sure how that is going to result.  To suspend for 6 months as the next post demonstrates, immediately eliminates 6 months of future cash flows.  This could only be justified if the expense of providing service to this customer has a present value exceeding the net present value of future cash flows.  I wonder how the stockholders feel about this?</p>
<p>2 cents.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2010/11/11/charter-follows-comcast-with-broadband-usage-caps/#comment-512617</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Nov 2010 19:33:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, living in Wisconsin, and having Charter, my cap went into place starting on November 12th.  I am sitting at 25 Mbps and have the 250 gig cap.  Since they do not offer the so-called Ultra60 in my area which would give me the 60Mbps and 500 Gigs, I am stuck.  I am one of those crazy users who will go over that 250 gigs before the month is up.  I can not even pay extra to extend my cap.   The best I can do is go to a business account, which right now sits at $249/month for 25Mbps, which includes no cap.

After talking to numerous people on the phone, they are basically using the 3 strike rule.  They will let me know 3 times that I went over the limit, and on the 4th time they suspend my account for 6 months.  

Going from unlimited to a cap really feels like I am sitting in the &quot;internet taxi cab&quot; where the meter is always running, and I now question everything I do.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, living in Wisconsin, and having Charter, my cap went into place starting on November 12th.  I am sitting at 25 Mbps and have the 250 gig cap.  Since they do not offer the so-called Ultra60 in my area which would give me the 60Mbps and 500 Gigs, I am stuck.  I am one of those crazy users who will go over that 250 gigs before the month is up.  I can not even pay extra to extend my cap.   The best I can do is go to a business account, which right now sits at $249/month for 25Mbps, which includes no cap.</p>
<p>After talking to numerous people on the phone, they are basically using the 3 strike rule.  They will let me know 3 times that I went over the limit, and on the 4th time they suspend my account for 6 months.  </p>
<p>Going from unlimited to a cap really feels like I am sitting in the &#8220;internet taxi cab&#8221; where the meter is always running, and I now question everything I do.</p>
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		<title>By: goldflowpoints</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2010/11/11/charter-follows-comcast-with-broadband-usage-caps/#comment-512216</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[goldflowpoints]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Nov 2010 16:42:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Phillip, my position is that it sounds reasonable for the cable companies to charge more or less based on speed and quantity of data so long as they do not discriminate based on the content of the data.  For example, when I consume more electricity or gas, I expect to pay more for it.  Why should it be different for the internet?  Should not a heavy gamer or movie downloader, who puts a heavy load on the network that potentially impacts the experience for the majority of lighter users, pay more for such heavy use?  I assume Stop the Cap does not agree with this, and I wanted to know if you could help me understand why.  Thanks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phillip, my position is that it sounds reasonable for the cable companies to charge more or less based on speed and quantity of data so long as they do not discriminate based on the content of the data.  For example, when I consume more electricity or gas, I expect to pay more for it.  Why should it be different for the internet?  Should not a heavy gamer or movie downloader, who puts a heavy load on the network that potentially impacts the experience for the majority of lighter users, pay more for such heavy use?  I assume Stop the Cap does not agree with this, and I wanted to know if you could help me understand why.  Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Phillip Dampier</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2010/11/11/charter-follows-comcast-with-broadband-usage-caps/#comment-512158</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Phillip Dampier]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Nov 2010 16:00:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Actually, we were the first to report the coming enforcement of caps at Charter.

Stop the Cap!&#039;s the coordinating center for consumers livid about usage caps and working together to fight them.  We were successful in beating back Time Warner Cable&#039;s usage caps in April 2009 on behalf of consumers and we invite Charter customers to get involved in the fight.

Phillip Dampier
Editor, Stopthecap.com]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, we were the first to report the coming enforcement of caps at Charter.</p>
<p>Stop the Cap!&#8217;s the coordinating center for consumers livid about usage caps and working together to fight them.  We were successful in beating back Time Warner Cable&#8217;s usage caps in April 2009 on behalf of consumers and we invite Charter customers to get involved in the fight.</p>
<p>Phillip Dampier<br />
Editor, Stopthecap.com</p>
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		<title>By: Ramin</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2010/11/11/charter-follows-comcast-with-broadband-usage-caps/#comment-510777</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ramin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Nov 2010 23:11:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is the start of a bad trend.  More competition and regulation of internet access business needed.  Who will be checking up on the metering of internet usage?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the start of a bad trend.  More competition and regulation of internet access business needed.  Who will be checking up on the metering of internet usage?</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2010/11/11/charter-follows-comcast-with-broadband-usage-caps/#comment-509613</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Aaron]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Nov 2010 17:31:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Way to completely misunderstand the difference between a median and a mean, Stacey. Cisco doesn&#039;t mention the median user at all in their study. There is no reason the average can&#039;t be 14.5 GB while the median user remains at 2-4 GB. In fact, Cisco pretty much agrees with Charter by saying 1% of users represent 20% of traffic.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Way to completely misunderstand the difference between a median and a mean, Stacey. Cisco doesn&#8217;t mention the median user at all in their study. There is no reason the average can&#8217;t be 14.5 GB while the median user remains at 2-4 GB. In fact, Cisco pretty much agrees with Charter by saying 1% of users represent 20% of traffic.</p>
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		<title>By: goldflowpoints</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2010/11/11/charter-follows-comcast-with-broadband-usage-caps/#comment-509404</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[goldflowpoints]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Nov 2010 12:33:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sounds reasonable to me for the cable companies to charge more or less based on speed and quantity of data so long as they do not discriminate based on the content of the data.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds reasonable to me for the cable companies to charge more or less based on speed and quantity of data so long as they do not discriminate based on the content of the data.</p>
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