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	<title>Comments on: Is Forbes Putting Its Editorial Soul on the Block?</title>
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		<title>By: Objectivity, Advertising and Transparency - Steve McNally - Mean Business - Forbes</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Objectivity, Advertising and Transparency - Steve McNally - Mean Business - Forbes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Oct 2010 17:28:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] coverage of Forbes&#8217; AdVoice announcement was accompanied by reïterations of the general existence of [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: destor23</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2010/09/27/is-forbes-putting-its-editorial-soul-on-the-block/#comment-287387</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[destor23]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Sep 2010 12:05:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Appreciate the response but I do hope you understand that the issue is not &quot;my take&quot; on the D&#039;Souza article but the still uncorrected errors of fact that Forbes presented.  This is neither a case of taste or &quot;your mileage may vary.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Appreciate the response but I do hope you understand that the issue is not &#8220;my take&#8221; on the D&#8217;Souza article but the still uncorrected errors of fact that Forbes presented.  This is neither a case of taste or &#8220;your mileage may vary.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: smcnally</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2010/09/27/is-forbes-putting-its-editorial-soul-on-the-block/#comment-286511</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[smcnally]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Sep 2010 17:45:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@destor23 - I hear what you&#039;re saying. With hope, you understand your take on the article you mention is not necessarily universally-held. 

Editorial slant should be accounted for separately from editorial quality. As far as I know, there are no efforts underway to &quot;replace the journalists and journalism ... with volunteers and corporate marketing writers.&quot; And I know for certain that scores of fine journalists continue writing for Forbes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@destor23 &#8211; I hear what you&#8217;re saying. With hope, you understand your take on the article you mention is not necessarily universally-held. </p>
<p>Editorial slant should be accounted for separately from editorial quality. As far as I know, there are no efforts underway to &#8220;replace the journalists and journalism &#8230; with volunteers and corporate marketing writers.&#8221; And I know for certain that scores of fine journalists continue writing for Forbes.</p>
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		<title>By: destor23</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[destor23]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Sep 2010 14:49:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Forbes sacrificed so much credibility when it ran Dinesh D&#039;Souza&#039;s farcical rant about Obama being a &quot;Kenyan Anticolonialist&quot; that it&#039;s hard to imagine that this really matters.

Ultimately, quality matters.  You can&#039;t replace the journalists and journalism Forbes has lost over the years with volunteers and corporate marketing writers.  That&#039;s not to say you can&#039;t make money trying, of course.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forbes sacrificed so much credibility when it ran Dinesh D&#8217;Souza&#8217;s farcical rant about Obama being a &#8220;Kenyan Anticolonialist&#8221; that it&#8217;s hard to imagine that this really matters.</p>
<p>Ultimately, quality matters.  You can&#8217;t replace the journalists and journalism Forbes has lost over the years with volunteers and corporate marketing writers.  That&#8217;s not to say you can&#8217;t make money trying, of course.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve McNally</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve McNally]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Sep 2010 04:15:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Outside of your title, this is one of the more even-headed responses I’ve seen on this matter. 

I helped build True/Slant and am currently working with great people at Forbes. I speak for myself alone. 

I agree this new kind of advertising needs to be done with care. Taking that care will be, I presume, an iterative process.

That said, “blurring the line between advertising and editorial content” has been an iterative and continual process for decades.

As a news consumer, I’ve heard David Brinkley tell me about the great people at Archer Daniels Midland making his broadcast possible, listened as the same man on the radio who tells the news also talk about life insurance and car tires, and I&#039;ve seen ads claw their way to Page 1 of even the most traditional print pubs. 

All news – print, broadcast, online – is sponsored by or underwritten by someone. Pretending otherwise is foolishness. We need new ways to make it work.

In entertainment, the blurring’s even more so: Seinfeld inexplicably had CA software next to his Apple II. Last season while watching “Community,” a tax software commercial appeared featuring two of the shows recurring characters. &quot;Mad Men&quot; features &quot;pre-ads&quot; styled and sound-designed like the show itself. 

Perhaps the brand and credibility concerns differ among all these examples. All of us in this space will need to be cognizant of these differences and dangers: 

- Publishers weaving advertising and marketing with editorial need to take care to be transparent
- Per what Robin said, Advertisers and Marketers need to create messages that have some value and interest for people reading and interacting with it – if they don’t, no one will read and interact with it 
- Journalists need, as ever, to be transparent, too
- Participants / Consumers / The People Formerly Known as The Audience should take care they understand that with which they’re interacting

We’ve been working toward new, sustainable models for news and opinion. I don’t expect a single silver bullet. I do expect we’ll continue iterating until there is a workable, successful and profitable solution.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Outside of your title, this is one of the more even-headed responses I’ve seen on this matter. </p>
<p>I helped build True/Slant and am currently working with great people at Forbes. I speak for myself alone. </p>
<p>I agree this new kind of advertising needs to be done with care. Taking that care will be, I presume, an iterative process.</p>
<p>That said, “blurring the line between advertising and editorial content” has been an iterative and continual process for decades.</p>
<p>As a news consumer, I’ve heard David Brinkley tell me about the great people at Archer Daniels Midland making his broadcast possible, listened as the same man on the radio who tells the news also talk about life insurance and car tires, and I&#8217;ve seen ads claw their way to Page 1 of even the most traditional print pubs. </p>
<p>All news – print, broadcast, online – is sponsored by or underwritten by someone. Pretending otherwise is foolishness. We need new ways to make it work.</p>
<p>In entertainment, the blurring’s even more so: Seinfeld inexplicably had CA software next to his Apple II. Last season while watching “Community,” a tax software commercial appeared featuring two of the shows recurring characters. &#8220;Mad Men&#8221; features &#8220;pre-ads&#8221; styled and sound-designed like the show itself. </p>
<p>Perhaps the brand and credibility concerns differ among all these examples. All of us in this space will need to be cognizant of these differences and dangers: </p>
<p>- Publishers weaving advertising and marketing with editorial need to take care to be transparent<br />
- Per what Robin said, Advertisers and Marketers need to create messages that have some value and interest for people reading and interacting with it – if they don’t, no one will read and interact with it<br />
- Journalists need, as ever, to be transparent, too<br />
- Participants / Consumers / The People Formerly Known as The Audience should take care they understand that with which they’re interacting</p>
<p>We’ve been working toward new, sustainable models for news and opinion. I don’t expect a single silver bullet. I do expect we’ll continue iterating until there is a workable, successful and profitable solution.</p>
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		<title>By: Taylor Buley</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Taylor Buley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Sep 2010 00:24:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: robin</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Sep 2010 21:23:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[advertising *is* content (mho, natch. don&#039;t think i&#039;m alone though).  the open question is to what extent do the national brands discussed here understand that marketing is (ibid), in this new world, a conversation and not broadcasting.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>advertising *is* content (mho, natch. don&#8217;t think i&#8217;m alone though).  the open question is to what extent do the national brands discussed here understand that marketing is (ibid), in this new world, a conversation and not broadcasting.</p>
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