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	<title>Comments on: Browser Wars: Pixel-Friendly Browsers on the Mac</title>
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		<title>By: Alex Layne</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2010/08/19/browser-wars-pixel-friendly-browsers-on-the-mac/#comment-389756</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alex Layne]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Aug 2010 13:57:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s what I meant when I said Chrome doesn&#039;t really have a status bar.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s what I meant when I said Chrome doesn&#8217;t really have a status bar.</p>
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		<title>By: Bart</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bart]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Aug 2010 12:33:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[“I omitted testing status bars because Chrome doesn’t really have one, and I’d argue that most people don’t use them”

The thing is, Chrome does have a status bar. And it is the smartest status bar I&#039;ve seen until now, because it only appears when you need it. So I&#039;d say you should have taken into account the status bars. Chrome essentially has a status bar that takes up 0 pixels.

I find it very handy to see the URL a hyperlink is going to before I click it. The Chrome status bar gives me just that, without taking up any pixels! Just brilliant! 

And yes, I also use the chrome-like status bar extension for Safari.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“I omitted testing status bars because Chrome doesn’t really have one, and I’d argue that most people don’t use them”</p>
<p>The thing is, Chrome does have a status bar. And it is the smartest status bar I&#8217;ve seen until now, because it only appears when you need it. So I&#8217;d say you should have taken into account the status bars. Chrome essentially has a status bar that takes up 0 pixels.</p>
<p>I find it very handy to see the URL a hyperlink is going to before I click it. The Chrome status bar gives me just that, without taking up any pixels! Just brilliant! </p>
<p>And yes, I also use the chrome-like status bar extension for Safari.</p>
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		<title>By: penguirl</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2010/08/19/browser-wars-pixel-friendly-browsers-on-the-mac/#comment-389754</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[penguirl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Aug 2010 16:20:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The name of the post is &quot;Pixel-Friendly Browsers on the Mac&quot; and it closed with &quot;Is pixel-friendliness important in a browser? Does it affect which browser you use?&quot; Ultimately, it is usability that matters and for that reason it shouldn&#039;t matter if the browser is of an unconventional design, it should be judged (in this comparison) solely on how much of a web page can be displayed.

Usually, when browsing the web users are forced to scroll vertically, not horizontally. OmniWeb&#039;s re-sizeable side tab bar maximizes vertical space which should be an asset when compared to traditionally designed browsers. Also, I find OmniWeb and Shiira&#039;s tabs to be more useful than those of the other browsers because I can identify a tab better with an icon than I can with a few letters of text. Unfortunately, Shiira&#039;s implementation reduces vertical viewing area substantially, and the browser itself does not function as well as you might expect it to.

Adding OmniWeb to the comparison might not have been fair, but was the object of the comparison fairness or viewable space?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The name of the post is &#8220;Pixel-Friendly Browsers on the Mac&#8221; and it closed with &#8220;Is pixel-friendliness important in a browser? Does it affect which browser you use?&#8221; Ultimately, it is usability that matters and for that reason it shouldn&#8217;t matter if the browser is of an unconventional design, it should be judged (in this comparison) solely on how much of a web page can be displayed.</p>
<p>Usually, when browsing the web users are forced to scroll vertically, not horizontally. OmniWeb&#8217;s re-sizeable side tab bar maximizes vertical space which should be an asset when compared to traditionally designed browsers. Also, I find OmniWeb and Shiira&#8217;s tabs to be more useful than those of the other browsers because I can identify a tab better with an icon than I can with a few letters of text. Unfortunately, Shiira&#8217;s implementation reduces vertical viewing area substantially, and the browser itself does not function as well as you might expect it to.</p>
<p>Adding OmniWeb to the comparison might not have been fair, but was the object of the comparison fairness or viewable space?</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Layne</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2010/08/19/browser-wars-pixel-friendly-browsers-on-the-mac/#comment-389753</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alex Layne]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Aug 2010 08:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Holy crap, you&#039;re right! I did forget about Camino. I took measurements of it, but I must have forgotten to put them in the graphs. For what it&#039;s worth, Camino takes up 88 pixels with the bookmarks bar hidden, and 108 when it&#039;s shown. Sorry!

As for Omniweb, I&#039;d have to create a new section to even include measurements of the tab drawer, as there&#039;s no option for a horizontal bar. Even then, Omniweb wouldn&#039;t fit in the first or second section. I don&#039;t have anything against Omniweb; it just didn&#039;t fit my testing criteria.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Holy crap, you&#8217;re right! I did forget about Camino. I took measurements of it, but I must have forgotten to put them in the graphs. For what it&#8217;s worth, Camino takes up 88 pixels with the bookmarks bar hidden, and 108 when it&#8217;s shown. Sorry!</p>
<p>As for Omniweb, I&#8217;d have to create a new section to even include measurements of the tab drawer, as there&#8217;s no option for a horizontal bar. Even then, Omniweb wouldn&#8217;t fit in the first or second section. I don&#8217;t have anything against Omniweb; it just didn&#8217;t fit my testing criteria.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Layne</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2010/08/19/browser-wars-pixel-friendly-browsers-on-the-mac/#comment-389752</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alex Layne]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Aug 2010 07:54:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It would have been unfair to test Omniweb against the others. How do I measure Omniweb&#039;s tab-drawer, which is resizable and takes up more pixels than a horizontal tab bar? I&#039;d have to create a new category with the tab bar hidden, and I don&#039;t think many people browse like that, so it&#039;d be a useless comparison.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would have been unfair to test Omniweb against the others. How do I measure Omniweb&#8217;s tab-drawer, which is resizable and takes up more pixels than a horizontal tab bar? I&#8217;d have to create a new category with the tab bar hidden, and I don&#8217;t think many people browse like that, so it&#8217;d be a useless comparison.</p>
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		<title>By: Moritz Schmale</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Moritz Schmale]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Aug 2010 06:53:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I really hate that on Windows (thats not Microsofts fault at all), very much applications install some pixel-consuming toolbars(Google, Yahoo, AVM, ICQ and so on...). Some people just click next in the installer without checking wether there is some additional trash thats installed with the application. So I often see computers with firefox that has about three toolbars. That means 24*3=72 wasted pixels on the computer. Plus Bookmarks toolbar and other. 
Another thing is that these toolbars consume memory and cpu also, but this is not the topic here...
Personally, I like it most when the website has the focus, that means that I deactivate all kinds of toolbars so the browser is just a minimalistic one. On Linux, I can customize Firefox that I put Address and Google-Search bars right beside the menubar so it just consumes 3 rows: Titlebar, Menubar and Tabbar. This can&#039;t be done with Mac OS X but you can deactivate all that things in safari too, and it only appears when you type command+L or open a new Tab...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really hate that on Windows (thats not Microsofts fault at all), very much applications install some pixel-consuming toolbars(Google, Yahoo, AVM, ICQ and so on&#8230;). Some people just click next in the installer without checking wether there is some additional trash thats installed with the application. So I often see computers with firefox that has about three toolbars. That means 24*3=72 wasted pixels on the computer. Plus Bookmarks toolbar and other.<br />
Another thing is that these toolbars consume memory and cpu also, but this is not the topic here&#8230;<br />
Personally, I like it most when the website has the focus, that means that I deactivate all kinds of toolbars so the browser is just a minimalistic one. On Linux, I can customize Firefox that I put Address and Google-Search bars right beside the menubar so it just consumes 3 rows: Titlebar, Menubar and Tabbar. This can&#8217;t be done with Mac OS X but you can deactivate all that things in safari too, and it only appears when you type command+L or open a new Tab&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Yacko</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2010/08/19/browser-wars-pixel-friendly-browsers-on-the-mac/#comment-389750</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Yacko]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Aug 2010 06:10:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[1) As others have noted, where is Camino in the charts? I too like minimum pixels but instead of this bogus comparison, why not a study of which browsers are the worst memory leakers and need to be quit frequently. Camino is the best I have found. Several days browsing, 150+ tabs open at one time and no more than 600-700MB. The web kit based browsers are the worst at it.

2) iCab may be lower ranked but it has one feature no other browser has. It can take a pdf snapshot of a whole page even the offscreen part. Firefox may be able to do it with an extension but it is a kludge.

3) Somewhere in the Firefox additions, there is a small font option that helps decrease the size of the various browser &quot;bars&quot;. Don&#039;t remember what it is so search the web site though given all the cruft it can be daunting.

4) The issue of pixel hogging space is less troublesome if you use a browser on a secondary portrait monitor. I&#039;m using a 24&quot; HP in 1200x1920 that is especially nice.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1) As others have noted, where is Camino in the charts? I too like minimum pixels but instead of this bogus comparison, why not a study of which browsers are the worst memory leakers and need to be quit frequently. Camino is the best I have found. Several days browsing, 150+ tabs open at one time and no more than 600-700MB. The web kit based browsers are the worst at it.</p>
<p>2) iCab may be lower ranked but it has one feature no other browser has. It can take a pdf snapshot of a whole page even the offscreen part. Firefox may be able to do it with an extension but it is a kludge.</p>
<p>3) Somewhere in the Firefox additions, there is a small font option that helps decrease the size of the various browser &#8220;bars&#8221;. Don&#8217;t remember what it is so search the web site though given all the cruft it can be daunting.</p>
<p>4) The issue of pixel hogging space is less troublesome if you use a browser on a secondary portrait monitor. I&#8217;m using a 24&#8243; HP in 1200&#215;1920 that is especially nice.</p>
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		<title>By: penguirl</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2010/08/19/browser-wars-pixel-friendly-browsers-on-the-mac/#comment-389749</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[penguirl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Aug 2010 04:45:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yet you included Opera, and even made accomidations for it&#039;s lack of a bookmark bar? Yup, no bias there whatsoever.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yet you included Opera, and even made accomidations for it&#8217;s lack of a bookmark bar? Yup, no bias there whatsoever.</p>
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		<title>By: penguirl</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2010/08/19/browser-wars-pixel-friendly-browsers-on-the-mac/#comment-389748</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[penguirl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Aug 2010 04:43:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Uhm, in the beginning of your comparison you said that you would be testing &quot;… Camino 2…&quot; yet Camino is not indicated in any of the charts. What happened?

Also, why not include OmniWeb? Development has slowed since it became freeware but it probably has more users than Shiira and iCab combined and it is still a feature rich browser that it&#039;s users are very loyal to.

Firefox? With no keyboard shortcuts, or even menu commands to create a keyboard shortcut for, to switch tabs it gets bumped to the end of the line, only to be used when nothing else will work.

Update: You left out OmniWeb &quot;because of it&#039;s funky tab drawer&quot;? Yes, that&#039;s an unbiased comparison for sure.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uhm, in the beginning of your comparison you said that you would be testing &#8220;… Camino 2…&#8221; yet Camino is not indicated in any of the charts. What happened?</p>
<p>Also, why not include OmniWeb? Development has slowed since it became freeware but it probably has more users than Shiira and iCab combined and it is still a feature rich browser that it&#8217;s users are very loyal to.</p>
<p>Firefox? With no keyboard shortcuts, or even menu commands to create a keyboard shortcut for, to switch tabs it gets bumped to the end of the line, only to be used when nothing else will work.</p>
<p>Update: You left out OmniWeb &#8220;because of it&#8217;s funky tab drawer&#8221;? Yes, that&#8217;s an unbiased comparison for sure.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Layne</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2010/08/19/browser-wars-pixel-friendly-browsers-on-the-mac/#comment-389747</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alex Layne]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Aug 2010 04:42:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As I said in the article, &quot;I omitted testing status bars because Chrome doesn’t really have one, and I’d argue that most people don’t use them&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I said in the article, &#8220;I omitted testing status bars because Chrome doesn’t really have one, and I’d argue that most people don’t use them&#8221;.</p>
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