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	<title>Comments on: Surrender Monkeys and the Schminternet: What The Web Says about Google and Verizon&#039;s Net Neutrality Compromise</title>
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		<title>By: Garrett Cobarr</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Garrett Cobarr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Aug 2010 19:05:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[At what point did the carrier become confused with the ISP? We had backbones and we had guys who gave us access. At some Lagrange Point the public Internet got caught between carriers becoming ISPs becoming content and premium service providers.

This is why Caesar&#039;s legions were not allowed to cross the Rubicon. How do we go back now? For the Internet to work at broadband capacity and reap the economic benefits from that situation we must reverse the trend of combining network ownership with content and service provision.

Broadband must be a commodity.

More at, &quot;Raw Economics: Google-Verizon CoOpoly Galvanize Net Neutrality&quot; http://bit.ly/bVWsLZ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At what point did the carrier become confused with the ISP? We had backbones and we had guys who gave us access. At some Lagrange Point the public Internet got caught between carriers becoming ISPs becoming content and premium service providers.</p>
<p>This is why Caesar&#8217;s legions were not allowed to cross the Rubicon. How do we go back now? For the Internet to work at broadband capacity and reap the economic benefits from that situation we must reverse the trend of combining network ownership with content and service provision.</p>
<p>Broadband must be a commodity.</p>
<p>More at, &#8220;Raw Economics: Google-Verizon CoOpoly Galvanize Net Neutrality&#8221; <a href="http://bit.ly/bVWsLZ" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/bVWsLZ</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Aug 2010 10:25:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m sure we all agree that net neutrality is an excellent goal. However some of the more fundamentalist interpretations of net neutrality expressed on the show are about as achievable as that other excellent goal - world peace.

I&#039;m sure we also all agree that the behaviour of mobile operators does not lead us to trust their motives, there are some very basic practical problems that need to be managed in the the real world. It is a great shame that nobody on the show appeared to really understand, or care about, the major differences between fixed line and mobile networks. In a fixed line world you don&#039;t get the problem of how to prevent a bunch of people unexpectedly gathering in one place (a single cell)  and preventing someone from making an emergency call by endlessly streaming multimedia content. One technique to manage this, and to prevent your movie streaming from stuttering too much, is to carefully manage how different content streams are handled (e.g. traffic shaping). This contravenes the fundamentalist&#039;s net neutrality scriptures - but most sane people firstly want an Internet that works - with neutrality as an important secondary goal.

So please, less ranting and paranoia and more well researched analysis of a very difficult situation. Don&#039;t forget that these &quot;problems&quot; are mainly caused by all of us obsessively using our beloved iPhones, iPads and Anroid phones as if the there was an infinite (and preferably free) resource delivering us what we want - and there isn&#039;t!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sure we all agree that net neutrality is an excellent goal. However some of the more fundamentalist interpretations of net neutrality expressed on the show are about as achievable as that other excellent goal &#8211; world peace.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure we also all agree that the behaviour of mobile operators does not lead us to trust their motives, there are some very basic practical problems that need to be managed in the the real world. It is a great shame that nobody on the show appeared to really understand, or care about, the major differences between fixed line and mobile networks. In a fixed line world you don&#8217;t get the problem of how to prevent a bunch of people unexpectedly gathering in one place (a single cell)  and preventing someone from making an emergency call by endlessly streaming multimedia content. One technique to manage this, and to prevent your movie streaming from stuttering too much, is to carefully manage how different content streams are handled (e.g. traffic shaping). This contravenes the fundamentalist&#8217;s net neutrality scriptures &#8211; but most sane people firstly want an Internet that works &#8211; with neutrality as an important secondary goal.</p>
<p>So please, less ranting and paranoia and more well researched analysis of a very difficult situation. Don&#8217;t forget that these &#8220;problems&#8221; are mainly caused by all of us obsessively using our beloved iPhones, iPads and Anroid phones as if the there was an infinite (and preferably free) resource delivering us what we want &#8211; and there isn&#8217;t!</p>
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		<title>By: Brett Glass</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2010/08/11/surrender-monkeys-and-the-schminternet-what-the-web-says-about-google-and-verizons-net-neutrality-compromise/#comment-262098</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brett Glass]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Aug 2010 17:28:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Note that Ms. Higginbotham, in this article as elsewhere, ignores the comments of those of us who are actually out in the real world and continues to advocate policies that would do harm to small, independent ISPs and their customers. Typical.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Note that Ms. Higginbotham, in this article as elsewhere, ignores the comments of those of us who are actually out in the real world and continues to advocate policies that would do harm to small, independent ISPs and their customers. Typical.</p>
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		<title>By: Edwin</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2010/08/11/surrender-monkeys-and-the-schminternet-what-the-web-says-about-google-and-verizons-net-neutrality-compromise/#comment-262097</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Edwin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Aug 2010 17:42:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[All we&#039;re saying is: Don&#039;t allow preferential treatment on the internet based on ability or willingness to pay. We don&#039;t allow rich people to buy their own lanes on our roads and we shouldn&#039;t allow them to do the same on the internet. However, we do allow preferential treatment to emergency vehicles and the occasional parade - a good model for the internet too.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All we&#8217;re saying is: Don&#8217;t allow preferential treatment on the internet based on ability or willingness to pay. We don&#8217;t allow rich people to buy their own lanes on our roads and we shouldn&#8217;t allow them to do the same on the internet. However, we do allow preferential treatment to emergency vehicles and the occasional parade &#8211; a good model for the internet too.</p>
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		<title>By: Net Neutrality Groups Plan Google Protest</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Net Neutrality Groups Plan Google Protest]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Aug 2010 15:51:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Google has been the targets of protests before, back when it offered censored search in China. The backlash over Google&#8217;s agreement with Verizon has been immense, with the media, analysts and netizens [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Google has been the targets of protests before, back when it offered censored search in China. The backlash over Google&#8217;s agreement with Verizon has been immense, with the media, analysts and netizens [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Stacey Higginbotham</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2010/08/11/surrender-monkeys-and-the-schminternet-what-the-web-says-about-google-and-verizons-net-neutrality-compromise/#comment-262095</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stacey Higginbotham]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Aug 2010 02:59:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, after writing more than 2,000 words of my own analysis, I figured our readers probably would appreciate some variety.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, after writing more than 2,000 words of my own analysis, I figured our readers probably would appreciate some variety.</p>
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		<title>By: Yacko</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Yacko]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Aug 2010 21:53:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;It is unclear yet what the “additional services” would be,&quot;

Anything that uses whopping amounts of bandwidth will be moved from open internet to a subscription category on a controlled pipe at a price level causing significant financial pain to the consumer but at the same time not killing their purchasing power, all in a way that would make Torquemada proud.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It is unclear yet what the “additional services” would be,&#8221;</p>
<p>Anything that uses whopping amounts of bandwidth will be moved from open internet to a subscription category on a controlled pipe at a price level causing significant financial pain to the consumer but at the same time not killing their purchasing power, all in a way that would make Torquemada proud.</p>
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		<title>By: Shawn</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Shawn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Aug 2010 21:21:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Copy and paste is a blogger&#039;s best friend.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Copy and paste is a blogger&#8217;s best friend.</p>
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