Android devices have outsold that of Apple iOS4 handsets for the first time on record in the U.S., according to a Nielson survey. Worldwide, Android is a force too — up 886 percent from a year ago. Nokia is still the king, but for how long?

Sales of Google Android phones in the U.S. are rising so quickly, the devices have outsold Apple handsets for the first time on record. New smartphone subscribers choosing Google phones accounted for 27 percent of U.S. smartphone sales, the Nielsen Company will announce this morning, nudging past the 23 percent share held by Apple. But Android isn’t just a U.S. phenomenon: Canalys today estimates that Android handset sales grew 886 percent worldwide from the year ago quarter.

It’s easier to show stellar growth in the beginning of  a product cycle, but Android is nearly two years old. One could make the valid argument that Android really began to mature over the past year with Android 2.1, so from that standpoint, Google’s platform is still an infant when compared to iOS4, BlackBerry and other mobile operating systems. But the uptake of Android among handset-makers is another factor in such growth. Motorola’s Mobile Device division has swung from losses to profits on the back of Android, for example. And HTC — once primarily a Windows Mobile phone maker — embraced Android even as Microsoft’s mobile platform is undergoing a major facelift. The result? HTC revenues were up 66 percent in June from a year ago.

As hot a seller as Google Android phones are right now, its user base isn’t the most satisfied with their device. When surveying current Android device owners, Nielson found that 71 percent would buy an Android phone again. That sounds like a high loyalty rating, but it falls noticeably short when asking iPhone owners about their next handset — 89 percent are happy with iOS4 and plan to buy a future Apple handset.

Both the Android and iOS4 platforms still trail the 33 percent U.S. share held by Research in Motion’s BlackBerry devices, but for many, BlackBerry needs an overhaul. One half of the current BlackBerry owners surveyed don’t want another RIM device when it comes time to upgrade, but instead are looking at replacements running either Google’s or Apple’s mobile platform. Even with the top market share spot in the U.S., RIM share has been trending down because the current devices are seen as inferior when it comes to browsing or offering apps. That should change tomorrow as RIM is holding a press event where it is widely expected the company will debut its new BlackBerry 6 operating system and potentially new devices, such as a tablet.

Given that the U.S. currently has the largest smartphone user base — Canalys estimates 14.7 million smartphones were purchased in the U.S. last quarter — it’s easy to overlook the current king of smartphone sales globally: Nokia. In the second quarter of 2010, the Finnish phone-maker sold 23.8 million handsets. Nokia saw a 41 percent growth rate over the prior year’s second quarter sales, which sounds positive, but when compared to Android’s 886 percent gain, Nokia’s growth pales in comparison. The overall smartphone market is growing, which is lifting sales of nearly all. But some — like Android — are clearly growing far faster than others.

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  1. Stats, stats, and more stats…They’re everywhere…

    Keep hearing about how many android phones are sold – But, iPhone grew usage share at over twice the pace of Android – http://bit.ly/91Ybc1

    What to believe?

    1. Both.
      Verizon has buy one get one free.
      so a lot of people buy them but don’t
      know how to use so the usage is not
      that great.

      1. But Verizon smart phone users on average are using more data compared to AT&T smart phone users so your comment holds no water.

    2. Statistics and survey ….

      How do they define ‘usage’ share?

      Also, 89% iPhone users say they will by iPhone again just means they have higher ‘loyalty’ to the brand. Don’t mean ‘satisfaction’ as one can argue, you don’t like it but because your friends all have it …

      1. iphone users are just fanboys. :)

      2. … and it highlights a key strategic blunder by Apple! They have high loyalty, yet by exclusiving themselves to AT&T, they limited penetration. Tragic! Now they have missed the chance to have that stat be about 89% of all phone users as opposed to 89% of AT&T users. Layer that on with the fact that 0% of those users probably want to repeat with AT&T and you get to…?

      3. You can’t reason with an Apple user. If Apple packaged a box filled with dogshit, and labeled it iManure, it would sell to a select, unthinking, unreasonable group.

      4. It is this kind of deep analysis sarcasm that has created the fanboy culture. There is nothing that strengths a person’s resolve to defend they preference than shared persecution via such knuckle headed comments. Without knowing it, it’s people like you who are fanatics; the denigrating intensity of your remarks is akin to that of cult members who feel an inexplicable propensity to insult others in a desperate attempt to have them give up what works for them in exchange for what you think would be better for them. Pathetic!

        It is comments like this that will forever make me a iFANBOY FOR LIFE!!!

        And by all means keep those nasty insults coming because nothing that you say will ever stop us from buying the products that we feel will enhance our lives in the very same way that you think that whatever you buy will enhance your lives.



    3. They’re completely unrelated. Amount of web usage share gives an indication about device usability, customer satisfaction or other metrics. Sales numbers are a very clear indication for the financial success of devices.

      Just because you’re unable to find a direct correlation between two completely unrelated data sets, doesn’t mean one of them is wrong.

      1. “Sales numbers are a very clear indication for the financial success of devices.” I’m not sure I buy that. You can “sell” huge amounts of devices, but it they’re buy-one-get-one-free or at super low margins, the manufacturers aren’t making money. I haven’t seen recent numbers, but it’s widely considered that regardless of total market share, the Apple is taking the biggest slice of smartphone profits. In calendar Q2 2010 Nokia, Samsung, and LG all reported decreased margins, in LG’s case a NEGATIVE margin of 3.5% (i.e. they’re losing money on each device).

    4. The reason is simple: this article, like many others is based on a false premise — that you can compare a phone to an OS. The iPhone is a phone, Android is an OS. Apple’s iPhone OS is iOS.

      iOS devices, namely iPhone + iPod Touch + iPad sell at 2 -3 times the rate of even the most inflated Android statistics. Thus, iOS usage share is growing faster.

      You have two choices either compare Android to iOS, or compare iPhone to say Motorola Droid. Don’t come up with phony baloney comparisons for the sole purpose of making Android look good.

      1. Ted,

        This is EXACTLY what i was thinking while reading this article. could not have said it better myself

        Not to mention Android OS is available through multiple providers on multiple types of phones (Motorolla, HTC etc….) the iphone is just the iphone available only through AT&T (for now at least)

      2. Good call and catch!

      3. @Ted T
        WELL SAID! I always think about this whenever I hear a fandroid saying Android is going to beat the iPhone in terms of market share. It has always sounded peculiar to me that like you rightly say a multi-device OS is being compared to a phone. But I think I know why people are “deliberately” making this error. After many failed attempts at coming up with an iPhone Killer fandroids think that by playing up the success of the Android they well find the salvation in Android that other would be iPhone Killers could never deliver. What is needed are the numbers for the Droid X, HTC Evo etc etc stacked up against the iPhone.

        But what’s really worrying is that these numbers are being generated by marketing companies who should know better, unless off course these marketing companies stand to benefit from presenting this highly distorted picture of what is happening on the ground.

        Or maybe it’s just Kevin C. Tofel trying to generate some traffic for gigaom.com if this is the case then Kevin is a very sad little man. Shame on you because you should know better. I think you would have really come out as a smart guy if you had raised this obvious error in comparison.

      4. It’s a comparison of phones. There is one phone using iOS, and that’s the iphone. Thus, comparing iOS to Android in a phone competition effectively means ‘iphone vs the Android OS’. Attempting to count ipods or other non-phone devices would be kind of, I don’t know, dishonest and fanboyish.

        TLDR- It -is- an operating system comparison, and no, we won’t count your mp3 player in a smartphone survey.

      5. Ted nailed it. Two different business models.

        Google = give away OS to get ad revenue. Attractive to hardware manufacturers. We’ll see if it produces the revenue.

        Apple = give away OS to get hardware and app revenue. So far so good.

        Microsoft = ?

      6. That would not be true. The stats shown here are for “phones” running android, and all iphones ( that is iphone 2g, 3g, 3gs, and the iphone 4 ). So thats comparing apples to apples only and not oranges. Comparing all of iOS, would then require you to also count non phones running android devices, like tablets and net books, which is not the scope of this stat.

    5. Well I tend to believe hard sales numbers as opposed to US centric general internet usage sites which are notoriously inaccurate.

      Just sayin’.

    6. According to that site, Android market share increased 9-fold in the last year (0.02% -> 0.18%) while iPhone only increased 2-fold (0.35% -> 0.70%).

      iPhone had a big head start so it will take a little longer for Android to cache up with the installed iPhone base. But clearly Android is growing much faster now and iPhone market share is actually declining.

    7. Android definitely is outselling iPhone and the trend is accelerating – that is a verified fact. iPhone has been selling for longer, so there are far more iPhones around than Android so there is more iPhone usage – that is another fact. So both statements are true and make perfect sense.

      Also with regard to the satisfaction survey, a great deal depends on how you pose the questions. A possible explanation as to why iPhone users are so keen to buy a new iPhone might be because iPhones are not upgradable. Android phones on the other hand are mostly upgradable to the latest version of Android. This means a large part of the Android phone user base polled will not want to buy a new phone at all and won’t show up in the poll since they want to carry using their existing Android phone.

      1. How can you say that iPhones are not upgradable and Android phones are? There are constant releases to upgraded software – iOS 4.0 being the latest. I have an iPhone 3GS and I decided not to buy an iPhone 4 because the OS upgrade was sufficient for my needs.

        Granted I would have to have bought an iPhone 4 if I wanted the improved hardware – but isn’t that true of all devices – Android phones included? You have to buy a new device if you want hardware upgrades?

        Your comment makes no sense.

  2. Although not a very big sample, I think the results of the survey are illuminating and along expected lines. It will be interesting to further drill down as to what was the composition of the Android or iPhone respondents. My theory would be people of earlier versions of Android will be less satisfied than those on the newer versions. Nevertheless, there is no doubt that the Android is catching up with Apple and is nicely placed to overtake Apple (if it not already has) in very near future.

    The Android OS has got the basic things in place, now Google can concentrate in finishing the rough edges. I am confident that the next release of Android will plug lot of holes for the Android. The recent iPhone 4 episode has only helped Android.

    If Apple does not get its act together (rather soon), I am afraid it will have to settle for the second position…

    1. Android users make me laugh.

      Will Droidtards explain to me why market share matters to HTC or why market share matters to Motorola.

      Droidtards, love to talk about market share as if it really meant something to anyone except for bragging rights. Its like these guys cannot look beyond market share and not realize it means nothing. Are you guys that uneducated?

      Let me show you a couple of headlines you will never see:
      1. Android Profits Overtake iPhone in the U.S.
      2. (place company name here) Introduces the Droid Killer

      1. You’re certainly a pleasant fellow. Sounds like you probably own an iphone, and live vicariously through your exciting decision to buy what everyone else had because it was cool.

        Let’s keep hearing about how much money they made. Maybe the next version will be 1000 dollars, so they can give you an even bigger number to toss out. You pay out the ass for a closed environment, and then compliment Apple on taking so much of your money.

        LOL. You’re an amazing piece of work.

      2. So you are telling me that the iPhone 4 is more expensive than, lets say, Droid X huh?

        Well, lemme see. Droid X: $200 w/2 year agreement and 8G internal memory. iPhone 4: $200 w/2 year agreement and 16G internal memory.

        I see you are one of the herd that loves to just make things up in an attempt to convice others you know what you are talking about. Again, droidtards make me laugh and appear to have a 6th grade education.

      3. That implies that AT&T isn’t fucking you in the ass every month unless you’re grandfathered in.

        Me? I’ll be enjoying my rooted Evo running a custom rom on a completely unlimited data plan with 4G in Portland.

        If you’re grandfathered into an AT&T plan & have employee discounts, it’s a hell of a deal. But to any regular person wanting to start up a new contract with a company, AT&T would not be my first choice.

        The only thing I don’t like about Sprint is the CDMA network. I hate that we can’t use the phone portion of our devices & use data at the same time. That’s the only thing that AT&T/T-Mobile has that I want.

        Also, Rabidcb, you failed to mention that the Droid X comes with a removable, yes, removable, 16 gig micro SD card. That, accompanied with it’s internal 8 gigs, gives you 24 gigs of space. And 16 of that you can remove & put in bigger cards.

        Although I will say that if you want a phone that you don’t want to tinker with & customize get an iPhone (or a Droid X. Thanks Motorola) But I know I sure do enjoy flashing my custom roms, over & underclocking my CPU, playing flac & divx files & countless other things you can do with a less obstructing OS.

        That being said, the Nokia N900 has the best OS out there as it’s pure Debian.

      4. The reason that market share and market share growth are interesting in the case of modern smartphone platforms, is mainly to do with the broader ecosystem of application developers and the applications they build.

        Profitability is very important for the investors in the companies that make the devices, for consumers not so much.

        Market share growth attracts developers – in the right market, of course, rich people with money to burn is more interesting than freebie phones to teenagers with small allowances – and the applications they build, especially those that have network effects, such as social games that are limited to one type of smart phone are especially interesting: potential for more customer growth on the basis of organic and peer-marketing means more income, more apps, and more customers: one of those very economically satisfying virtuous cycles.

        This is good for consumers that buy the product (there’s a future in it, my friends will not laugh at me, etc) and good for the people that do a lot to attract customers, the developers (I will sell more apps next year than this year, there are more niche possibilities for me, etc).

        That’s why it’s important for organisations and people with an interest in Android, say, to see market share growth. It makes the viability of the platform that much more certain. The same argument applies to iOS developers for iPhones, iPods and iPads.

      5. Samsung Galaxy S is also $200 w/2yr and 16GB internal.

      6. Pffft – really? we won’t see that headline?? – Ummm its the heading to this article!!! Not only will we see it – but we are currently seeing it! i know you said ‘profits’ not sales – But your argument of having a higher profit meaning a better prodfuct is redundent – Apple is known to completely blow out their prices so obviously they are going to make more ‘profits’ then other companies – but when you talk about what really matters – “Sales” I.e – The actual amount of your phone in the market comapred to anotehr phopne on teh market – and at the moment (and for the ever forseeable future!) Android’s sales are much MUCH more progressive then iPhone’s sales have ever been…

    2. “Although not a very big sample”

      LoL – It’s actually a ridiculously massive sample. Ignoring the collection method a sample size ~16,000 should have a 99% confidence level with a +/-1 or 2% error. As a marketing manager, I would bet my soul on those numbers ;)

  3. Android has been selling more phones daily than iPhone since the beginning of the year. This is not the first time they overtake iPhone.

    You fail to quote Canalys who clearly says, Q2 USA sales, meaning April to June:

    Android sales: 34%
    Blackberry RIM sales: 32%
    Apple iPhone sales: 21%

    Before the launch of Droid X, Samsung Galaxy S (on all US carriers and all over the world), back then Android was selling 160K phones per day, which is probably closer to 300k phones per day today, while Apple is selling less than 50k iphones per day.

    Your satisfaction numbers are also bogus, people who buy Apple usually have more money and have bought Apple stuff before, they are apple fanboys. While people who buy Android mostly never bought a smart phone before, never bought any expensive gadgets before and don’t see a reason why they would ever want to buy a new phone as the current Android phone they just bought is just fine.

    1. Agree. Most of the people who are satisfied with the iPhone are fans and would never switch to anything else, not even if there was a better phone staring them in the face a foot away…it is called drinking the kool-aid and keeping blinders on.

      1. No its called don’t try selling me your perception of what is good for me. Why would I trust you? I trust what is good for me. I have the iphone 4 and I love it.
        That’s not called drinking the kool aid. That’s called freedom of choice you nazi!

      2. @chillout


        Pick one.

    2. Well said. I don’t think Android has been outselling the iPhone since the beginning of the year, but for the overall April-June quarter, it has. At least in the US. Maybe worldwide it’s been outselling, but it didn’t really see mto take off until Android 2.0 was released, which was November 2009. Very interesting stuff though. I’m glad to see so much momentum behind this platform because I love it. I bet Apple is mad as hell :)

    3. “Your satisfaction numbers are also bogus, people who buy Apple usually have more money and have bought Apple stuff before, they are apple fanboys.”

      So, let me get this straight:
      71% Android user satisfaction = not bogus
      89% iPhone user satisfaction = bogus because I said so

      Not everyone who likes a product is a clueless moron. Maybe they just… like the product.

      — one of the 71%

    4. The Canalys Q2 sales compares new Android-based phone sales with the trailing end of iPhone 3gs sales, not the beginning of iPhone 4 sales.

      How much money does Google make from every Android phone sold?

      1. Canalys doesn’t include the new Android phones such as Galaxy S, Droid X, HTC EVO, Droid 2, Android is even much further in front if you include those.

        Who cares how much money each of the companies are making? This is about market share, this is about how many are sold each day today.

        Apple won’t be able to make any money any more when nobody buys their overpriced devices anymore because there are many more better and cheaper Android devices available.

      2. “How much money does Google make from every Android phone sold?”

        Why is this relevant to the consumer?

      3. @ Charbax,

        When I saw the part in your sentence that said “more better”, I realized that yes, even 6 year olds can have an opinion.

      4. 89% of all searches done on an iPhone are done using GOOGLE so GOOGLE makes money off of the iPhone through adds on their site(s). Now please tell me how much APPLE makes off of Android?

      5. Some help for Rabidcb:

        I’ll add parentheses into the section you had trouble understanding.

        “because there are many more (better and cheaper) Android devices available”

        Your reply shows me that, yes, even 5 year olds are on the internet, and their reading comprehension skills aren’t always up to snuff.

    5. @ charbox.

      (1) you are woefully ill-informed (which is a polite way of saying you are ignorant).

      quote” Your satisfaction numbers are also bogus, people who buy Apple usually have more money and have bought Apple stuff before, they are apple fanboys.”

      not true.

      50% of all macs are sold to first-time (PC) buyers
      25% of all iphones are sold to first-time (smartphone) buyers

      If you cant even be bothered to know the basic facts, pls do youyrself a favour & stop demonstrating what a fool your are: STFU.

      (2) the important question often over-looked in these silly marketshare & brand loyaty numbers is what they have to do with PROFITABILITY!

      although google’s mobile strategy is plausible defence against the decline of desktop search (plus a good way to quickly displace MSFT in the eye’s of oem’s since android is free, winmob is not), google’s ad-based revenue model for smartphones (or tablets) is nonetheless relatively weak one from the perspective of AVRC.

      a) HTC phones (for google, msft, moto, whomever) generate relatively slender margins (perhaps $100) whereas apple can pull down $500 a unit.

      b) moreover, apple’s superior eco-system (the appstore) covers a wide variety of content (video, music, print – books, newspapers, magazine – games, and packaged info) …

      c) plus Apple has a superior advertising delivery platform (iAD) that will only further advance the lion’s share of mobile revenue that apple has already achieved.

      Moreover, because of the depressive impact of so many low-end phones on google’s positioning, the value of google’s inventory will be diminished. Indeed, the very “APP search model” for discovering content (especially location aware info) is a profound threat to google’s legacy “dumb” pagerank web-based “web search model” — which is evermore less effective & less appealing than packaged approaches to information discovery (let alone the semantically aware approaches that will make google look like the msDOS of search over the coming decade!).

      All told, the revenue model for apple’s mobile platform(s) is broader & deeper – both upfront & on a recurring basis – than what google has any realistic hope of achieving in the next 2 or 3 years.

      Bottom line: the simpletons of the world (hello, charbox) who resort to cliches instead of real arguments ignore the facts or the forces at work shaping those facts — and while google will have some limited success with mobile & tablet, it will not be able to alter the fundamental situation that it is merely trying to protect its revenue model not radically change it.

      Apple succeeds because it chooses not to just play the game better than its competitors, but because it is able to change the rules of the game itself.

      And Charbox does get that.


      1. Apple made a bunch of money on mass marketing existing opportunities, not by bringing anything new to the market. Archos has been making tablets for years, Archos made Mp3 players before the ipod, Archos made portable video players long before the ipod touch.

        Now that apple took that opportunity to make those profits instead of a Samsung, Sony or Dell that could have done that just as well. That is an issue among those giant US and Asian corporations. And who really needs to care. Apple made a lot of money, so what.

        Apple knows their business models are being disrupted. The ipad is Apple’s desperate attempt at keeping high profit margins, as they are seeing their iphone profits dissapear before their very eyes. iphone is more than half of apple’s current revenue and profits, a 230 billion dollar valuation on nasdaq as apple, based on just one single device, and it’s got a deffective antenna design even!

        itunes, iads, app store, all those are none other than crookish strategies by apple at trying to own markets. It only can work for them to a certain extent. But they can see it right there, those proprietary walled garden fantasy worlds are not going to survive the much more respectful open competition brought forward by open platforms that are not proprietary to any single corporation.

        Apple is going to loose all its iphone profit margins as soon as they are forced to diversify on other carriers like verizon. As the absolute only reason apple was able to take such high profit margins on the iphone was because of their exclusive agreement with att. Once verizon gets to sell the device, apple’s profit margin will be halved overnight. That is why they are desperately trying to delay that from happening. But ATT is already starting to embrace cheaper and better Android alternatives like the Samsung Galaxy S, so it won’t be long, and basically you will see the foundation of apple’s 230 billion dollar valuation crumble in front of your very eyes.

      2. Charbax, sir, you are clueless.

    6. Android does not sell phones. Which company did you mean to compare to Apple. Or did you mean to compare all handset makers to Apple? If the latter, pretty funny huh? I mean to compare a handful of companies to one company as if they all shared profit together.

      1. I think you’re on the wrong site, you’re probably looking for stock quotes somewhere. This was actually a discussion on number of units sold, and mobile OS distribution.

        I mean, it was pretty well explained in the intro. You own an iphone, don’t you?

        You’re pretty easy to pick out, getting all butthurt when people dare to slight your precious fashion accessory.

  4. Is this for Q2? Certainly an interesting trend, but if the data doesn’t include the iPhone 4 launch, it’s hard to take too much away. I’d expect iPhone demand to ramp up sharply after a launch and taper down in the months preceding the launch of the next iPhone, which is exactly what this shows.

    1. Kevin C. Tofel Eric Monday, August 2, 2010

      Correct, Eric, the data doesn’t account much for iPhone 4 sales, which started in the tail end of the second quarter. Next quarter’s numbers should prove very telling as a result.

      1. If anything, I wonder if Apple releases their phones at the very end of Q2 to slightly pad these comparisons in their favor. The numbers might look alarming if they didn’t include a million iPhone 4’s released in a day.

        I think Apple needs to add at least one more model (an XL with the same resolution, but a 4.3″ screen?) to counter-act these cycles and to effectively compete against the variety of Android models. I think they were smart to resist releasing a keyboard model, but there’s real demand for different screen sizes.

      2. The thing is though, that’s really only going to be a one month spike in sales. Everyone who was salivating over the iPhone 4 already has one. Apple sold what, 2 million in the first week or something like that? Even that number isn’t that much above Google’s claim (from 2 months ago) that Android is selling 5 million devices a month (160K activiations/day). By this point, with the release of a few more very high profile Android devices, Android is probably at 200K/day (6M/month) at the very least. There’s no way Apple is going to sell 6M/month iPhone 4’s consistently if they only sold 2M on launch week.

      3. That seems like a significant omission. Shouldn’t you mention that in the body of the article – if not the first line?

      4. @Shawn – actually, if you look at the trend, it’s more like a 6 month sales juggernaut, peaking in Q4. People come out of contract and make upgrade decisions all around the calendar year, a notable amount around the holidays.

      5. Your article fails to focus on Q2 sales numbers by Canalys, instead you talk only about Nielsens 1H numbers, Nielsen talks 6 months! This is just wrong way to report numbers as how sales are today. Android is number one, top selling platform in the US. That is 34% Android to 21% iphone, for April 1st to June 30th. If you would take last week, including Galaxy S, Droid X, Evo, iphone4, Android is prohably over 50% and iPhone under 15%.

      6. Hi Kevin, you are wrong, all of the pre orders and big weekend sales are in there already. Expect Q3 to be less for Apple in unit terms than Q2.

  5. @Alok Saboo said: “If Apple does not get its act together (rather soon), I am afraid it will have to settle for the second position…”

    Who cares? You’re looking in the wrong place for answers. As an Apple investor I couldn’t give a rat’s hind-quarters if Apple is in 2nd or 200th place so long as it’s generating profits. As long as Android is giving away their products in an ongoing 2-for-1 sale, they can’t be making much, if any, money. [I know it the "we'll make it for $10 and sell it for $5 and make up the difference in volume' syndrome]

    1. To bad apple wont be making money for much longer then. When the developers abandon ship for androids easier, more streamlined and better development-environment iOS will die a quite fast death.

      Also, iPad isnt selling nearly as good as projected and can only be described as a horrible failure. Soon cheap, superior and faster android tablets will fill the market.

      Since apple hasnt really kept up their pace at hardware on the PC-side of things the only thing they will really be selling in the future is OSX. I doubt that will be a big margin-item since they are directly competing with Microsoft and Linux there.

      I say, sell. And sell quick.

      1. First off, not one smartphone vendor cares about OS market share. HTC could care less how many Android devices are out there. The only thing all of them care about is profit. HTC or Motorola do not continue to make money on a device once it is sold, Apple does.

        For Apple to fail, it is going to take huge plummet in sales to get there. If there is one piece of data that means anything to all the handset makers, its this: Apple makes more profit from iOS devices than Nokia, HTC, Motorola, RIM and Sony Ericsson COMBINED! That, my son, is the only piece of info that matters to all handset makers. Android is a race to the bottom. And guess what, this is mirroring the PC market to the T. HP and Dell sells thousands more PCs than Apple, but Apple could pruchase HP or Dell 8X over.

        You are watching the wrong race. Keep playing checkers, while Apple plays Chess.

      2. Says the short troll. Try using some facts. Any facts.

      3. As I said in comment above, what you need to be looking at is iOS share (iPhone + iPod Touch + iPad), which is growing faster than Android. That’s what developers care about — they are writing for iOS, not iPhone per se. Then there is the small point that iOS users buy apps and Android users don’t.

        Developers who are selling identical apps for both iOS and Android, are finding that iOS sales are outpacing Android sales by 50 to 1 ~ 100 to 1. This one area where Android is NEVER going to catch up. So, keep dreaming about developers abandoning iOS — the abandonment is likely to go in the other direction — soon more and more developers will realize that Android isn’t worth their time.

      4. Dude, do you own an ipad? easy answer NO. do you know if you go now and try to get an ipad, you can’t because is SOLD OUT, you have to order it, and Why trash the ipad THEY WERE THE FIRST TO RELEASE IT, why other companies didn’t do it before. IT’s easy to COPY than CREATE and innovate!

        I’m a graphic designer and I use APPLE products and windows SUXXXXXXX!!

        Why cheap and superior??? have you seen one or try one. PLEASE!!!!!!

      5. Ted, this discussion is about smartphones. Not mp3 players. You know damn well that including those devices is just an attempt to inflate numbers.

        TheZ: Tablets have been around for a while. They didn’t have the advertising budget, the apple logo, or the legion of idiot fans who will buy anything with enough hype behind them. So I’m not surprised you haven’t heard of them.

    2. Are you serious? Do you think that the 2 for 1 sales is coming out of the pockets of phone vendors? You think HTC/Motorola/BlackBerry is selling 2 phones for the price of 1? It’s the carriers who are doing that. And they are doing it since the $200 or $300 that they lose on the device is more than made up by the over $3000 that they make over the life of the contract. Never fails to amaze me when people talk about buying the phone for $100 or $200. It’s insignificant when you take into consideration how much the phone actually costs over 2 years.

      And just in case, you didn’t notice, Motorola moved from a loss making unit to a profitable unit on the backs of basically just a couple of Android phones. HTC made record profits on the backs of their excellent Android phones.

      @Rabidcb “Apple could pruchase HP or Dell 8X over.”

      Apple made massive profits from the iXXX devices when they had no competition. Not from their Mac sales. If the iDevices end up with the same 10% market share, you as an investor would start caring a lot.

      As an investor, Apple may still be the best place to invest in the short term. But as a consumer, it’s Android all the way and long term. I understand that the buggy whip manufacturers were making a lot of money at the turn of the last century.

      1. @Milind: “Apple made massive profits from the iXXX devices when they had no competition. Not from their Mac sales. If the iDevices end up with the same 10% market share, you as an investor would start caring a lot.”

        Another uninformed wishful thinker. The iPod Touch like the other iPods have 70%+ market share — a market share that hasn’t budged for nearly a decade. Please explain, when and how this mythical competition is finally going to appear. iPads must have an 80%+ market share right now in the tablet sector.
        Only the iPhone, which entered an existing, established market has a lower, but increasing market share as Nokia, Microsoft and soon RIM craters in the smartphone arena.

        Finally. your statement that Macs aren’t making money couldn’t be more wrong. Mac sales are positively skyrocketing lately, and now account for a greater percentage (33%) of Apple revenue than iPods or iPads.

      2. @Ted

        You are making my point when you say that the iPod market share has been untouched – yes, because they had and have no real competition. Ditto with the iPad. Where they currently do have competition is on the phones and they have sunk from a 34% market share to the about 22% in the last 3 quarters. And Android has jumped from 10% to 34%. With the new Android tablets coming up, expect to see the same with the iPads.

        And like the iPhone sales, Mac sales may be increasing. They just aren’t increasing slower than the market is increasing. The window of opportunity that Apple had to convert Windows users to Macs with the abominable Vista is now closed with the first truly great OS that MS has released. Windows 7 on a Intel i7 processor is simply awesome – especially at a fraction of the price of the Macs.

        As someone pointed out, the iPhone sales have been great. But even at the annual peak, even if they beat the Android sales this month (and it’s not looking very likely if Android sales are 6 million this month), it’s just a small blip for the rest of the year. Any way you look at it, the numbers are just not going to add up for Apple.

        At about 100,000 apps, with all the major players already porting their iPhone apps to the Android, the last remaining advantage is also gone. No doubt, current iPhone users who have already invested heavily in the iPhone apps are likely to stick with the iPhone. But for the rest of the market and new smartphone users, that’s not an issue.

        I have an iPod Touch and an iPad and I’m amazed that apps that are free on the Android cost so much money on iOS. Most iPhone app purchases are impulse purchases. On the Android, I can get my money back within 24 hours if I’m unsatisfied with the app. That works great for me as a consumer since it incentivizes developers to provide me with real value. And if I lose out on 100,000 apps that don’t do that – even better. I do realize that game developers have a valid argument against this since many games will provide a couple of hours of entertainment and are worth the $1 for whiling your time at the airport. And I feel for them. But I’m perfectly willing to lose those kind of apps for the trade off in better apps on the Android. And when you actually start using the Android, apart from games, you will see that the Android apps are a lot more flexible and usable than the iPhone apps – dropbox/keepass is an example of one that I experienced just today.

      3. Milind wrote: “You are making my point when you say that the iPod market share has been untouched – yes, because they had and have no real competition.”

        What planet do you live on? For nine years every consumer electronics company in the world has repeatedly taken their best shot at the iPod … and FAILED!

        And you say they’ve had “no real competition”! Truly Android fans are the most deluded group the tech industry has ever seen.

      4. The competition wasn’t on the technology front, it was on the advertising front.

        Apple won through marketing hype, which is why they were able to outright steal Creative’s interface, toss it on the ipod, and then get rich on someone else’s work.

        And then they had to pay millions of dollars in a settlement over the theft, but at that point, they had already secured market saturation, so what is a few million?

        Some people will see that situation and focus on the money apple made. Some people will focus on the actual theft, and regard the money as undeserved.

        It all depends on whether you’re willing to excuse crimes when they are committed by your favorite company.

        On a side note, the iaudio x5 dominated the ipod in every way. And I’ve never seen a single one other than mine. Plenty of people have made devices better than the ipod, but unless you’re willing to dump tons of money into propaganda/advertising, there’s no chance.

      5. JT that’s pure baloney. Many of the companies that took on the iPod were many times the size of Apple and had much deeper pockets … at the time. We’re talking Samsung, Sony and Microsoft for god’s sake! Firms with huge R&D budgets and enormous advertising budgets.

        And for good measure, please learn the difference between the words “theft”, “crimes” and “infringement”. You do realize that most of the iPod’s competitors were using the same obvious interface elements that Creative sued over too … including your precious Cowon?

    3. @Some Guy,

      Apple is company that sells the iPhone. Android is a open source OS – do you even know what your talking about?

      HTC, Samsung, Motorolla, etc …. they all carry phones that run on this software.

      Let’s compare Microsoft’s iis vs. Apache while your at :)

  6. Android Finally Outsells iPhone–Yes, Again! Monday, August 2, 2010

    [...] 2, 2010 JK on the Run’s Kevin C. Tofel is reporting that a new Nielsen study says that Android phones have 27 percent of the US market for smartphones, beating out Apple’s iPhone fo…. At the same time, another report says that Android has an even heftier 34 percent of the market, [...]

  7. Yeah, does this factor in all of the Buy One, Get One offers that Verizon has been running? I know a few people that got a Droid just because they could get the second one for free, and that was pretty much the only reason.

    They also got it because they heard it was “like an iPhone.” So far, they’ve been pretty disappointed.

    1. Yes, iPhone satisfaction is currently at 73%, the next closest is HTC at 39%, so it’s clear the Android is never going to be widely used. SO MANY people hate Android phones it’s not funny anymore.

      1. I smell a couple of Apple fan boys.

        I’m a nerd but most of my friends are not. I only have one friend who has an iPhone. Five of them have Android devices (plus myself as well). All of them are very satisfied with Android. Apple fan boys just can’t accept that there’s strong competition that’s outselling Apple.

        Yeah, Verizon’s had 2-for-1 sales. But guess what, Android is on every network in the US, so that doesn’t account for much. Plus, when Google talks sales, they aren’t talking physical sales, they’re talking about activiations which means the phones are actually being used, not just purchased.

      2. Haha. I recently switched from iPhone 3GS to Droid X. I love Android so much more!

        Notifications rule!
        Being able to customize it and turn on/off things I like rather than what Steve likes rules!
        Having real multitasking is super nice too.
        Widgets rule! Live wallpaper is really nice!
        Being able to position icons where I want them and not in some stupid list rules!
        Having a global back button is super nice too.

        It’s not much of a comparison, iOS is very bad. iOS 4 barely introduced anything new. I installed iOS 4 and I was like, “what is different?!” Oh yeah, a bad implementation of folders with an annoyingly long animation and icons that are super hard to read even on an iPhone 4…

        and this is just 2.1, once it goes to 2.2 with Flash it’s going to be amazingly better.

    2. Wow! Most of my friends got the Android phone because AT&T said no or required a deposit….

      So, Tmobile, Verizon, and Sprint was there only option.

  8. Apple users r like aol users back in the day. Aol provided a good service for ppl who had limited skills in navigating the net. and the stock of aol was so mighty that they walloped time warner including cnn. But look now where is AOL nowhere and the stock is nowhere.
    Iphone which takes $179(including research marketing it cost like $300 for apple) to make is sold as such a high premium mainly due to early adapters.
    But the market is maturing if other companies can make it and sell it at $250-300(unlocked without contract) they iphone will have a problem and if the service providers can offer low priced unsubsidized plans like sprint already does($25 unlimited data/txt/email +300min) Tehn applewill have a big problem

    1. If I use the same comparison, I could say Android is following the way of the PC. Today, Microsoft develops the OS and PC vendors use it to shove in their plastic boxes. Google develops Android for Smart Phone vendors to shove in their phones. And just like the PC industry, the Android Smart Phone industry is a race to the bottom. This is why Apple is more profitable than any PC vendor despite selling a fraction of hardware. Today, Apple makes more profit from iOS devices than all Android smart phone vendors combined.

      I think Apple is quite content with having a small market share so long as profits keep booming.

  9. Joseph Futral Monday, August 2, 2010

    First, with the ax of the Nexus One, there really is no such thing as a Google phone. And Android is not a phone, it is an OS, and a fragmented OS at that. The iPhone is a phone and an OS. There is no iOS on a phone except on an iPhone. So one can’t really compare OS to OS sales, only OS usage.

    Especially since Google does not sell Android, so there is no such thing as “Android sales” (Google makes their money from ad revenue). Even the idea of Android device sales does not help. HTC does not receive ANY benefit from Motorola’s sales of Android OS phones (unless there is some sort of undisclosed revenue sharing model). Even comparing Windows phones to iPhone is difficult since Microsoft (post Kin) does not make devices.

    The only real comparison that can be made is between RIM and Apple. RIM is the only other company making both the device and the OS.

    The only thing these statistics show is there are only three companies that have made a desirable, usable smart phone OS. With the exception of RIM and Apple, none have been device makers.

    It is really the device makers who should be in fear of Google. Just like Windows made the computer maker irrelevant, so, too, does Android make the smart phone makers (that use Google’s OS) irrelevant. Every once in a while someone will come out on top (often for no significant reason), just like with Windows—Packard Bell, Acer, Gateway, Dell—but they will quickly be over come by the next “hot” hardware maker. At least Alienware was smart enough to choose a particular niche of computer user.

    Ultimately Google is no friend to a smart phone maker except as a bandaid to give them time to develop their own solution to compete with RIM and Apple. Hopefully, HP realized that when they purchased WebOS. But that is still yet to be seen.


  10. Joseph Futral Monday, August 2, 2010

    First, with the ax of the Nexus One, there really is no such thing as a Google phone. And Android is not a phone, it is an OS, and a fragmented OS at that. The iPhone is a phone and an OS. There is no iOS on a phone except on an iPhone. So one can’t really compare OS to OS sales, only OS usage.

    Especially since Google does not sell Android, so there is no such thing as “Android sales”. Even the idea of Android device sales does not help. HTC does not receive ANY benefit from Motorola’s sales of Android OS phones (unless there is some sort of undisclosed revenue sharing model). Even comparing Windows phone to iPhone is difficult since Microsoft (since axing Kin) does not make devices.

    The only real comparison that can be made is between RIM and Apple. RIM is the only other company making both the device and the OS.

    The only thing these statistics show is there are only three companies that have made a desirable, usable smart phone OS. With the exception of RIM and Apple, none have been device makers.

    It is really the device makers who should be in fear of Google. Just like Windows made the computer maker irrelevant, So, too, does Android make the device makers (that use Google’s OS) irrelevant. Every once in a while someone will come out on top, just like with Windows—Packard Bell, Acer, Gateway, Dell—but they will quickly be over come by the next “hot” hardware maker. At least Alienware was smart enough to choose a particular niche of computer users.

    Ultimately Google is no friend to a smart phone maker except as a bandaid to give them time to develop their own solution to compete with RIM and Apple. Hopefully, HP realized that when they purchased WebOS. But that is still yet to be seen.

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