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	<title>Comments on: Google in Catch-22 Over Wi-Fi Data and Privacy</title>
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		<title>By: EU Could Turn Google, Facebook Into Privacy Felons: Tech News &#171;</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2010/05/27/google-in-catch-22-over-wi-fi-data-and-privacy/#comment-302094</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[EU Could Turn Google, Facebook Into Privacy Felons: Tech News &#171;]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Oct 2010 15:38:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] The recommendations were made in a paper presented by the European Union&#8217;s executive body, which is responsible for proposing legislation and enacting standards for the EU and consists of a cabinet with 27 commissioners, one from every member state. The European community has been fairly hard-nosed on privacy as it applies to services like Facebook and Google&#8217;s Street View, which has been criticized for a number of reasons, and faced potential restrictions from European states even before the company admitted that its Street View cars were inadvertently capturing personal data. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The recommendations were made in a paper presented by the European Union&#8217;s executive body, which is responsible for proposing legislation and enacting standards for the EU and consists of a cabinet with 27 commissioners, one from every member state. The European community has been fairly hard-nosed on privacy as it applies to services like Facebook and Google&#8217;s Street View, which has been criticized for a number of reasons, and faced potential restrictions from European states even before the company admitted that its Street View cars were inadvertently capturing personal data. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Can Yahoo Avoid the Privacy Pain of Facebook and Google?</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2010/05/27/google-in-catch-22-over-wi-fi-data-and-privacy/#comment-252595</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Can Yahoo Avoid the Privacy Pain of Facebook and Google?]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jun 2010 01:01:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;[...] over the launch of the Open Graph protocol and new privacy settings, as well as Google Buzz and Google Street View, respectively, but it&#8217;s obvious that such incidents are the subtext behind Yahoo&#8217;s [...]&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] over the launch of the Open Graph protocol and new privacy settings, as well as Google Buzz and Google Street View, respectively, but it&#8217;s obvious that such incidents are the subtext behind Yahoo&#8217;s [...]</p>
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		<title>By: EU OBSERVER: Austria Wants Sanctions Against Google Threat &#124; Daily Babel</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2010/05/27/google-in-catch-22-over-wi-fi-data-and-privacy/#comment-252594</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[EU OBSERVER: Austria Wants Sanctions Against Google Threat &#124; Daily Babel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 May 2010 14:00:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Google in Catch-22 Over Wi-Fi Data and Privacy (gigaom.com)   Share/Save        Category : NewsLinks [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Brian S Hall</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2010/05/27/google-in-catch-22-over-wi-fi-data-and-privacy/#comment-252593</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brian S Hall]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 May 2010 19:15:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;This article has inspired my poll:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://brianshall.com/content/poll-were-you-looking-porn-when-googles-street-view-van-drove-past-your-house&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This article has inspired my poll:</p>
<p><a href="http://brianshall.com/content/poll-were-you-looking-porn-when-googles-street-view-van-drove-past-your-house" rel="nofollow">http://brianshall.com/content/poll-were-you-looking-porn-when-googles-street-view-van-drove-past-your-house</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jack C</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2010/05/27/google-in-catch-22-over-wi-fi-data-and-privacy/#comment-252592</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jack C]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 May 2010 19:09:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;The story doesn&#039;t clearly state that German officials assured Google, only that Mr. Caspar was assured.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;On what evidence do you base the claim, &quot;...governments have absolutely no interest in snooping the private data...&quot;?&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The story doesn&#8217;t clearly state that German officials assured Google, only that Mr. Caspar was assured.</p>
<p>On what evidence do you base the claim, &#8220;&#8230;governments have absolutely no interest in snooping the private data&#8230;&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: coolrepublica</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2010/05/27/google-in-catch-22-over-wi-fi-data-and-privacy/#comment-252591</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[coolrepublica]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 May 2010 16:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;You would need to be a crazy German to want Google to hand over that information to the German government.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Destroy it and everybody calls it a day. If the German people are smart, of course. But we know better don&#039;t we?&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You would need to be a crazy German to want Google to hand over that information to the German government.</p>
<p>Destroy it and everybody calls it a day. If the German people are smart, of course. But we know better don&#8217;t we?</p>
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		<title>By: Alon</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2010/05/27/google-in-catch-22-over-wi-fi-data-and-privacy/#comment-252590</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 May 2010 15:48:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;What about the privacy rights of the citizens? Does their government ask them if it&#039;s OK to read their WIFI payload, just to perform forensic analysis in order to find out what Google knew and when they knew it?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I don&#039;t believe Google will give out incriminating evidence in the form of this WIFI packets. They will do everything they can to bury this. Therefor, I am fine with Google telling me that the data has been wiped.&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about the privacy rights of the citizens? Does their government ask them if it&#8217;s OK to read their WIFI payload, just to perform forensic analysis in order to find out what Google knew and when they knew it?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t believe Google will give out incriminating evidence in the form of this WIFI packets. They will do everything they can to bury this. Therefor, I am fine with Google telling me that the data has been wiped.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2010/05/27/google-in-catch-22-over-wi-fi-data-and-privacy/#comment-252589</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bill]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 May 2010 15:03:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;Google is so completely full of B.S. on this one... Hamburg&#039;s data protection supervisor Johannes Caspar AND the German state prosecutor Lutz von Selle, both assured the company that compliance with the German request to turn over the data would not violate German privacy laws and would not constitute &quot;criminal behavior.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Here&#039;s how this is going to play out:  Google is NOT going to turn over the data in Germany (they can&#039;t, because the data will show that they were vacuuming up payload data intentionally, that they knew they were doing it, and that they had been doing it since 2006).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Instead, they will try and get all of their many surrogates and front groups (Harvard Berkman Center, Stanford, EFF, Global Network Initiative, John Palfrey, Jonathan Zittrain, and the rest of Google&#039;s apologists and flacks) to spin this ridiculous notion that turning over the private data that Google stole to &quot;big, bad governments&quot; is far more dangerous than Google&#039;s hoovering up the data in the first place.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Never mind that these governments have absolutely no interest in snooping the private data, but rather doing a forensic analysis to find out what Google knew and when they knew it.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;That&#039;s what the company is terrified of because it will completely destroy the trust consumers have placed in the company.  If they were knowingly sucking up payload data from open wifi connections (maybe not illegally, but certainly unethically), what else are they doing with all of the data we willingly hand over to them?&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Google is so completely full of B.S. on this one&#8230; Hamburg&#8217;s data protection supervisor Johannes Caspar AND the German state prosecutor Lutz von Selle, both assured the company that compliance with the German request to turn over the data would not violate German privacy laws and would not constitute &#8220;criminal behavior.&#8221;</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s how this is going to play out:  Google is NOT going to turn over the data in Germany (they can&#8217;t, because the data will show that they were vacuuming up payload data intentionally, that they knew they were doing it, and that they had been doing it since 2006).</p>
<p>Instead, they will try and get all of their many surrogates and front groups (Harvard Berkman Center, Stanford, EFF, Global Network Initiative, John Palfrey, Jonathan Zittrain, and the rest of Google&#8217;s apologists and flacks) to spin this ridiculous notion that turning over the private data that Google stole to &#8220;big, bad governments&#8221; is far more dangerous than Google&#8217;s hoovering up the data in the first place.</p>
<p>Never mind that these governments have absolutely no interest in snooping the private data, but rather doing a forensic analysis to find out what Google knew and when they knew it.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s what the company is terrified of because it will completely destroy the trust consumers have placed in the company.  If they were knowingly sucking up payload data from open wifi connections (maybe not illegally, but certainly unethically), what else are they doing with all of the data we willingly hand over to them?</p>
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		<title>By: Brian S Hall</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2010/05/27/google-in-catch-22-over-wi-fi-data-and-privacy/#comment-252588</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brian S Hall]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 May 2010 14:40:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;Google collects our private data, without our consent, and &lt;em&gt;they&lt;/em&gt; are in a Catch 22?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Then we are in 1984.&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Google collects our private data, without our consent, and <em>they</em> are in a Catch 22?</p>
<p>Then we are in 1984.</p>
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