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	<title>Comments on: Dear Google: Even If There Is No Harm, You Fouled Up on Privacy</title>
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		<title>By: Tim Jeffes</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tim Jeffes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jun 2010 18:17:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;I would like to understand how a WiFi sniffer is a necessary box  on a Streetview car. You don&#039;t accidentally bolt one of these to your data collection system! There was some BS excuse about improving location based services that Google touted. I just don&#039;t buy it.&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to understand how a WiFi sniffer is a necessary box  on a Streetview car. You don&#8217;t accidentally bolt one of these to your data collection system! There was some BS excuse about improving location based services that Google touted. I just don&#8217;t buy it.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Camenisch</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2010/05/20/dear-google-even-if-there-is-no-harm-you-fouled-up-on-privacy/#comment-251926</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jonathan Camenisch]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 May 2010 13:41:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;Actually, it&#039;s akin to walking by on the street and snapping pictures of your house. There&#039;s no &quot;walking through an unlocked door&quot; going on.&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, it&#8217;s akin to walking by on the street and snapping pictures of your house. There&#8217;s no &#8220;walking through an unlocked door&#8221; going on.</p>
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		<title>By: Broadband Has Turned Our Homes Into Glass Houses</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2010/05/20/dear-google-even-if-there-is-no-harm-you-fouled-up-on-privacy/#comment-251925</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Broadband Has Turned Our Homes Into Glass Houses]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 May 2010 15:02:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;[...] Having control may not mean that a consumer opts into sharing information through an arduous, click-filled process, but with enough transparency and standard language, can tell immediately what&#8217;s going to be shared upon signing up. In many ways the Internet is about the ability to access information or services easily and virally, and opt-ins create a barrier to entry that&#8217;s pretty high for businesses. Plus, the expectation that has developed around the Internet is that it&#8217;s easy to sign up and share information, but you need to clearly tell people what&#8217;s happening and offer them a way out before they share more than they intended. [...]&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Having control may not mean that a consumer opts into sharing information through an arduous, click-filled process, but with enough transparency and standard language, can tell immediately what&#8217;s going to be shared upon signing up. In many ways the Internet is about the ability to access information or services easily and virally, and opt-ins create a barrier to entry that&#8217;s pretty high for businesses. Plus, the expectation that has developed around the Internet is that it&#8217;s easy to sign up and share information, but you need to clearly tell people what&#8217;s happening and offer them a way out before they share more than they intended. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Camenisch</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2010/05/20/dear-google-even-if-there-is-no-harm-you-fouled-up-on-privacy/#comment-251924</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jonathan Camenisch]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 May 2010 14:42:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;Google did not wander into anyone&#039;s house. This data was being broadcast across the air into public spaces. How can that possibly be considered private???&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If I throw sensitive information into my trash and take it out to the curb, it is perfectly legal for you to dig through my trash, find said information, and take it home with you. It makes no difference how ignorant I may be; I have discarded that information and placed it in a public place.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If you go out and use that information to steal my identity or something, then you&#039;ve broken the law. If you store it in your file cabinet at home, you haven&#039;t. Even if you share it with my enemies, I don&#039;t think you&#039;re breaking any laws. It&#039;s still on me.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Now Germany&#039;s laws might be different, but I haven&#039;t yet seen any information to that effect.&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Google did not wander into anyone&#8217;s house. This data was being broadcast across the air into public spaces. How can that possibly be considered private???</p>
<p>If I throw sensitive information into my trash and take it out to the curb, it is perfectly legal for you to dig through my trash, find said information, and take it home with you. It makes no difference how ignorant I may be; I have discarded that information and placed it in a public place.</p>
<p>If you go out and use that information to steal my identity or something, then you&#8217;ve broken the law. If you store it in your file cabinet at home, you haven&#8217;t. Even if you share it with my enemies, I don&#8217;t think you&#8217;re breaking any laws. It&#8217;s still on me.</p>
<p>Now Germany&#8217;s laws might be different, but I haven&#8217;t yet seen any information to that effect.</p>
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		<title>By: Study Web Giants Today for Smart Grid Privacy Tips Tomorrow</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2010/05/20/dear-google-even-if-there-is-no-harm-you-fouled-up-on-privacy/#comment-251923</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Study Web Giants Today for Smart Grid Privacy Tips Tomorrow]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 May 2010 14:48:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;[...] then when it was discovered that its fleet of Street View vehicles in Germany was capturing Wi-Fi “payload” data – basically the information traded between laptops and wireless access points. Uh, [...]&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] then when it was discovered that its fleet of Street View vehicles in Germany was capturing Wi-Fi “payload” data – basically the information traded between laptops and wireless access points. Uh, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Google Asserts Its Worth to the U.S. Economy</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2010/05/20/dear-google-even-if-there-is-no-harm-you-fouled-up-on-privacy/#comment-251922</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Google Asserts Its Worth to the U.S. Economy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 May 2010 16:30:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;[...] for its size and market clout in a number of areas &#8212; as well as some of its privacy-related behavior &#8212; and is fighting the telecom companies on the issue of net [...]&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] for its size and market clout in a number of areas &#8212; as well as some of its privacy-related behavior &#8212; and is fighting the telecom companies on the issue of net [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Tosh</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2010/05/20/dear-google-even-if-there-is-no-harm-you-fouled-up-on-privacy/#comment-251921</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tosh]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 May 2010 08:38:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;The house analogy tells us something: you should take reasonable steps to protect what you thing it&#039;s important.
So if you leave your garage door open and go on vacation, you&#039;re not protecting your house properly. Usually people that care about their house will buy protection systems and all sorts of stuff.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Now, if you&#039;re don&#039;t want to broadcast data for &lt;em&gt;everyone&lt;/em&gt; to listen, then you should at least spend &lt;em&gt;3 minutes&lt;/em&gt; to set up a password in your router.
Whoever got data grabbed by Google by broadcasting is probably broadcasting it for months or years, compare that to the ~0.2 seconds worth of data that got recorded by Google, if it got recorded at all (the car must have been driving at the right time and location to grab any piece of data).&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The house analogy tells us something: you should take reasonable steps to protect what you thing it&#8217;s important.<br />
So if you leave your garage door open and go on vacation, you&#8217;re not protecting your house properly. Usually people that care about their house will buy protection systems and all sorts of stuff.</p>
<p>Now, if you&#8217;re don&#8217;t want to broadcast data for <em>everyone</em> to listen, then you should at least spend <em>3 minutes</em> to set up a password in your router.<br />
Whoever got data grabbed by Google by broadcasting is probably broadcasting it for months or years, compare that to the ~0.2 seconds worth of data that got recorded by Google, if it got recorded at all (the car must have been driving at the right time and location to grab any piece of data).</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2010/05/20/dear-google-even-if-there-is-no-harm-you-fouled-up-on-privacy/#comment-251920</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 May 2010 10:31:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;I just love that establishment &quot;interests&quot; have setup InsideGoogle as a &quot;watchdog&quot;.  Below is an excerpt from an interview with Jean Baudrillard, who I believe would have responded to this &quot;watchdog&quot; with comments similar to those which he made in the interview.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;That is exactly what makes our times so oppressive. The system produces a negativity in trompe-l’oeil [a reference to illusion painting], which is integrated into products of the spectacle just as obsolescence is built into industrial products. It is the most efficient way of incorporating all genuine alternatives. There are no longer external Omega points or any antagonistic means available in order to analyze the world; there is nothing more than a fascinated adhesion. One must understand, however, that the more a system nears perfection, the more it approaches the total accident.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

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&lt;li&gt;Jean Baudrillard is author of Simulacra &amp; Simulation (which Hollywood relied upon in their Matrix movie trilogy).&lt;/li&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just love that establishment &#8220;interests&#8221; have setup InsideGoogle as a &#8220;watchdog&#8221;.  Below is an excerpt from an interview with Jean Baudrillard, who I believe would have responded to this &#8220;watchdog&#8221; with comments similar to those which he made in the interview.</p>
<p>&#8220;That is exactly what makes our times so oppressive. The system produces a negativity in trompe-l’oeil [a reference to illusion painting], which is integrated into products of the spectacle just as obsolescence is built into industrial products. It is the most efficient way of incorporating all genuine alternatives. There are no longer external Omega points or any antagonistic means available in order to analyze the world; there is nothing more than a fascinated adhesion. One must understand, however, that the more a system nears perfection, the more it approaches the total accident.&#8221;</p>
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<li>Jean Baudrillard is author of Simulacra &amp; Simulation (which Hollywood relied upon in their Matrix movie trilogy).</li>
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		<title>By: Eo Nomine</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eo Nomine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 May 2010 00:19:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;&quot;The house analogy doesn’t hold because, to enter someone’s place of residence without permission is in fact against the law (trespassing). Grabbing public radio signals is not illegal (see old arguments by law enforcement about radar detectors and police scanners).&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Actually, that depends on where you are. While &quot;grabbing public radio signals&quot; may or may not be a breach of federal wiretap laws in the US, the collection of personal information contained in those signals without the person`s knowledge or consent is CLEARLY against the privacy laws of many countries, including Canada and most (if not all) European nations.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;To overuse the house analogy, I&#039;d say this is akin to walking through an unlocked door into someone`s house and taking random pictures. To then say &quot;well I didn&#039;t steal anything or do anything with those pictures&quot; does not excuse the act of taking those pictures or the accompanying violation of privacy.&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The house analogy doesn’t hold because, to enter someone’s place of residence without permission is in fact against the law (trespassing). Grabbing public radio signals is not illegal (see old arguments by law enforcement about radar detectors and police scanners).&#8221;</p>
<p>Actually, that depends on where you are. While &#8220;grabbing public radio signals&#8221; may or may not be a breach of federal wiretap laws in the US, the collection of personal information contained in those signals without the person`s knowledge or consent is CLEARLY against the privacy laws of many countries, including Canada and most (if not all) European nations.</p>
<p>To overuse the house analogy, I&#8217;d say this is akin to walking through an unlocked door into someone`s house and taking random pictures. To then say &#8220;well I didn&#8217;t steal anything or do anything with those pictures&#8221; does not excuse the act of taking those pictures or the accompanying violation of privacy.</p>
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		<title>By: Dilip Andrade</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dilip Andrade]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 May 2010 19:54:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;Saying that Google didn&#039;t break any laws is a statement fraught with problems.  The laws are different in different countries, so they may very well have broken the laws.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The problem here isn&#039;t that they received the data, but that they stored it. Not only was it stored, it was stored for more than any short period of time from what we can tell. If I&#039;m in a coffee shop having a conversation with someone, I may not have the right to get upset that you overheard what I was saying (and you&#039;re right, if it is confidential I shouldn&#039;t be saying it in public), but that doesn&#039;t mean that you have the right to record it without me knowing about it.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;What we have here is a 3rd party recording information when they are not a party to the &quot;conversation&quot;. Should people be more careful? Of course.  Does that excuse Google? No.&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Saying that Google didn&#8217;t break any laws is a statement fraught with problems.  The laws are different in different countries, so they may very well have broken the laws.</p>
<p>The problem here isn&#8217;t that they received the data, but that they stored it. Not only was it stored, it was stored for more than any short period of time from what we can tell. If I&#8217;m in a coffee shop having a conversation with someone, I may not have the right to get upset that you overheard what I was saying (and you&#8217;re right, if it is confidential I shouldn&#8217;t be saying it in public), but that doesn&#8217;t mean that you have the right to record it without me knowing about it.</p>
<p>What we have here is a 3rd party recording information when they are not a party to the &#8220;conversation&#8221;. Should people be more careful? Of course.  Does that excuse Google? No.</p>
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