Theora’s Monty Montgomery is excited about Google’s announcement to open source VP8 with its WebM Project, but doesn’t believe it will kill Theora in the near future. Other open source and open video advocates are stoked as well, but some caution about possible patent lawsuits.

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Google’s move to open-source its VP8 video codec as part of its WebM Project has gotten wide support from browser makers and other industry players, but the open source community was notably absent from today’s announcement, with the obvious exception of Mozilla. There was no shout-out from the Free Software Foundation, who had urged Google to open-source the codec earlier this year to kill Flash.

Instead, a smiling Adobe CTO Kevin Lynch walked on stage to announce that his company is going to ship VP8 support as part of Flash. So what do open source developers think about the move, and what’s going to happen to Ogg Theora, the current open-source video codec of choice for projects like Wikipedia?

“This is great news,” said Christopher “Monty” Montgomery, founder of the Xiph.org Foundation, when I reached him by phone right after the announcement. Montgomery is spearheading the development of Ogg Theora and is a Theora developer himself, but he called VP8 going open source “absolutely wonderful” and sounded honestly stoked about the initiative. Montgomery did mention that Google didn’t make too much of an effort to reach out to open source developers ahead of the official announcement. He was notified of the development, but many others weren’t. “We have to see how it’s going to play out in the open source community,” he told me, adding that it will be a while until VP8 will really have an impact.

So will VP8 kill Ogg Theora? “Maybe in the long run it will,” he said, but the Theora community is for now committed to its road map, and Montgomery said he doesn’t think this development will be immediately affected by VP8. He did acknowledge that Theora is about 10 years old now, adding that codecs usually have a life cycle of 20 years. Theora is based on On2’s VP3.2 codec, which was first released in 2000. There have been ongoing discussions in the open source world about whether Theora is as good as H.264, but Montgomery doesn’t think this matters anymore. “We don’t want to play catch up,” he told me. “We want to be leapfrogging.” Having an advanced codec like VP8 available would finally make this possible.

This sentiment was echoed in a blog post published by the Open Video Alliance, which has been advocating HTML5 video with open codecs for some time. “This is excellent news from Google, Mozilla, and Opera, and will help catapult web video into the next generation,” the post reads.

Florian Mueller, founder of the European NoSoftwarePatents Campaign, was a little more skeptical: “While it appears to be a nice gesture if a major player releases software on open source terms, it’s imperative to perform a well-documented patent clearance,” he wrote us in an email. He mused that HTC being sued about Android shows Google might stand on the sidelines if developers get into trouble with video patent holders, and added: “We all know Steve Jobs’ recent email in which he said a patent pool was being assembled to go after open source codecs. So the patent question is really a critical one.”

However, Montgomery didn’t share this outlook. He acknowledged that Google and other companies supporting WebM are a much bigger target than Theora’s supporters have been, but said that patent litigation around open-source video codecs isn’t any more likely after the announcement than it was before. He pointed to the fact that no one has ever tried to bring claims against Theora, but admitted that you can never say never. “Patents are like every teenager carrying a hand gun,” he told me.  Sooner or later, one of those guns could go off.

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  1. Sorry, wait.

    Theora has customers? It’s VP3 with horrible quality, game over.

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  3. yeah, I read that and thought. . . ok, why not just help with the new open source codec thats way ahead? but what do I know.

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  5. Marco Diego Aurélio Mesquita Wednesday, May 19, 2010

    NewTeeVee played an important role spreading the news about google freeing VP8. Congratulations! Your credibility is really high!

  6. It may be completely obvious, but some of the comments in this article make it seem like Xiph.org and Christopher Montgomery would be negatively impacted or disappointed about the competition/crushing of Ogg Theora, while not at all mentioning the fact that WebM includes Vorbis which was also worked on by him and is headed by Xiph.org as well. I’d guess that’s why Christopher is saying it’s wonderful and is generally optimistic about it, and also why he was contacted by Google.

  7. Rayne Van-Dunem Wednesday, May 19, 2010

    Correction: FSF issued a statement in full support of WebM on May 19, 15:19, basically as a follow-up on their February open letter. They’re integrating WebM into their PlayOgg campaign via the relevant mailing list.


  8. Free Software Foundation statement on WebM and VP8 : http://www.fsf.org/news/free-software-foundation-statement-on-webm-and-vp8

    thx google

    1. Hey guys, the FSF statement came out after this article was written, so it wasn’t available at ‘press time.’ Thanks for passing it along, though.

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  11. Totally.

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