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		<title>By: yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Dec 2010 13:08:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah another stupid MAC/PC debate. 

I’ll just rant about some technical stuff concerning the operating systems Windows, Linux, Mac OSX and *BSD, applications are not my top priority right now so please people don’t compare apples with oranges and pears:

Windows 7 sucks, like every Windows had sucked over the years, don’t you just get bored after using it from 3.1 and for more than 15 years?? to have a Perfect Windows (7) system you have to have the super CPU, the super GPU, 64GB DDR3 RAM, a 512GB SSD, a good paid Anti-virus (because MSE can’t do every job altogether), and download (and crack if necessary) every fucking 3rd party app you need to customize your computer to your needs, in case you disagree with the kind of bloatware the OEMs have to offer for you, to make it work just like you wish to, perfectly, and yeah because it consumes 20GB of useless disk space when you have a fresh install and NO PDF READER??? but a bunch of stupid little games??? consuming at least 1GB DDR3 RAM with the Aero lit on?? Internet Exploiter consuming all the freaking RAM when I open lots of tabs and then closing then again until only remains ONE?? give me a break!!! Windows should be the gaming machine, and I’m surprised that still many industrial applications are made for Windows only or Windows like the first priority. For industrial and life-critical work it just sucks. Windows server with no CygWin for a network sucks even more.

The “optimal” Windows 7, Ultimate, which can be close to the “perfect” windows system (with all of the care taken like i wrote above) is a prohibitively expensive operating system (200 USD anyone) compared to a regular release of mac OS which sometimes cost up to 60 USD, and of course, Linux and BSD, where most of their distributions are free.

Linux is one of the best operating systems I’ve ever used in my life, just technically talking about the OS itself, not about the applications, it’s a really good operating system to be free (Ubuntu is starting to suck, so I recommend Linux Mint, BTW).

An Operating System with the Linux kernel it’s really stable and secure, can automatically detect and load a driver for general hardware and some exotic hardware and save you LOTS of configuration time with some package management software like apt, yum… of course there are some rootkits and malware for linux, but the way it works and the steep development made into it makes it a good choice for industrial, scientific and life-critical systems.

The actual downside with Linux and why it still does not make fit with many home users, it’s because of the nature it was made at the beginning of it’s history, because Microsoft is an oligarchic monopoly, and of course when you are out of luck and need to configure something manually (command line) can be sometimes a real PITA if something does not work out like you wish, e.g. some really exotic hardware or some other random configuration you need. Nothing is totally free of course, albeit you can spare some time to do the exact stuff you need with the exact tools, and unlike windows and mac, you can have an all-purpose and specific-purpose FREE operating system if you wish, you can install multiple desktop environments, apart from the general purpose ones (GNOME, KDE) you can install some optimized for netbooks and old hardware (xfce, lxde, openbox, fluxbox).

Snow Leopard sucks too, it actually feels like a feature creep compared to leopard and tiger, a bit slower… but overall, is still a really sleek and resource efficient operating system, It also has it’s own malware and rootkits though and be appreciated, but is not as insecure as some people may think, anyway just in case I use a 3rd party firewall software. Remember that mac OSX is a blend of NeXtep and FreeBSD, so overall is technically a bit more solid than what windows is from it’s roots and Microsoft had to do all that duct-taping and make people spend 20GB of space to make a Windows 7 somehow a bit more robust.

The problem with MAC OSX is the same as with Windows when you get a fresh install, sometimes you have to look for third party applications for almost everything, but for some applications, this can be circumvented by downloading macports and fink, which may work like using the PORTS package management system from FreeBSD/PC-BSD.

And the Last but not least, the unknown giant, BSD. BSD is actually a very very robust operating system, Microsoft took some stuff from FreeBSD just to make Windows 7 a bit better.

Make a FreeBSD/PC-BSD/OpenBSD with a TrustedBSD combo and you have an almost invincible system in a network.

With FreeBSD/PC-BSD you can have an useful and very very solid system to work like an advanced linux one, for free. The downside is as same as the Linux one, but more remarkable because BSD was designed for critical missions in mind, and not for usability until very recently, and that’s something the PC-BSD project is trying to solve.

I’ve used Windows for 16 years and Linux/BSD/Mac systems for 5 years. I hope my rant is useful for you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah another stupid MAC/PC debate. </p>
<p>I’ll just rant about some technical stuff concerning the operating systems Windows, Linux, Mac OSX and *BSD, applications are not my top priority right now so please people don’t compare apples with oranges and pears:</p>
<p>Windows 7 sucks, like every Windows had sucked over the years, don’t you just get bored after using it from 3.1 and for more than 15 years?? to have a Perfect Windows (7) system you have to have the super CPU, the super GPU, 64GB DDR3 RAM, a 512GB SSD, a good paid Anti-virus (because MSE can’t do every job altogether), and download (and crack if necessary) every fucking 3rd party app you need to customize your computer to your needs, in case you disagree with the kind of bloatware the OEMs have to offer for you, to make it work just like you wish to, perfectly, and yeah because it consumes 20GB of useless disk space when you have a fresh install and NO PDF READER??? but a bunch of stupid little games??? consuming at least 1GB DDR3 RAM with the Aero lit on?? Internet Exploiter consuming all the freaking RAM when I open lots of tabs and then closing then again until only remains ONE?? give me a break!!! Windows should be the gaming machine, and I’m surprised that still many industrial applications are made for Windows only or Windows like the first priority. For industrial and life-critical work it just sucks. Windows server with no CygWin for a network sucks even more.</p>
<p>The “optimal” Windows 7, Ultimate, which can be close to the “perfect” windows system (with all of the care taken like i wrote above) is a prohibitively expensive operating system (200 USD anyone) compared to a regular release of mac OS which sometimes cost up to 60 USD, and of course, Linux and BSD, where most of their distributions are free.</p>
<p>Linux is one of the best operating systems I’ve ever used in my life, just technically talking about the OS itself, not about the applications, it’s a really good operating system to be free (Ubuntu is starting to suck, so I recommend Linux Mint, BTW).</p>
<p>An Operating System with the Linux kernel it’s really stable and secure, can automatically detect and load a driver for general hardware and some exotic hardware and save you LOTS of configuration time with some package management software like apt, yum… of course there are some rootkits and malware for linux, but the way it works and the steep development made into it makes it a good choice for industrial, scientific and life-critical systems.</p>
<p>The actual downside with Linux and why it still does not make fit with many home users, it’s because of the nature it was made at the beginning of it’s history, because Microsoft is an oligarchic monopoly, and of course when you are out of luck and need to configure something manually (command line) can be sometimes a real PITA if something does not work out like you wish, e.g. some really exotic hardware or some other random configuration you need. Nothing is totally free of course, albeit you can spare some time to do the exact stuff you need with the exact tools, and unlike windows and mac, you can have an all-purpose and specific-purpose FREE operating system if you wish, you can install multiple desktop environments, apart from the general purpose ones (GNOME, KDE) you can install some optimized for netbooks and old hardware (xfce, lxde, openbox, fluxbox).</p>
<p>Snow Leopard sucks too, it actually feels like a feature creep compared to leopard and tiger, a bit slower… but overall, is still a really sleek and resource efficient operating system, It also has it’s own malware and rootkits though and be appreciated, but is not as insecure as some people may think, anyway just in case I use a 3rd party firewall software. Remember that mac OSX is a blend of NeXtep and FreeBSD, so overall is technically a bit more solid than what windows is from it’s roots and Microsoft had to do all that duct-taping and make people spend 20GB of space to make a Windows 7 somehow a bit more robust.</p>
<p>The problem with MAC OSX is the same as with Windows when you get a fresh install, sometimes you have to look for third party applications for almost everything, but for some applications, this can be circumvented by downloading macports and fink, which may work like using the PORTS package management system from FreeBSD/PC-BSD.</p>
<p>And the Last but not least, the unknown giant, BSD. BSD is actually a very very robust operating system, Microsoft took some stuff from FreeBSD just to make Windows 7 a bit better.</p>
<p>Make a FreeBSD/PC-BSD/OpenBSD with a TrustedBSD combo and you have an almost invincible system in a network.</p>
<p>With FreeBSD/PC-BSD you can have an useful and very very solid system to work like an advanced linux one, for free. The downside is as same as the Linux one, but more remarkable because BSD was designed for critical missions in mind, and not for usability until very recently, and that’s something the PC-BSD project is trying to solve.</p>
<p>I’ve used Windows for 16 years and Linux/BSD/Mac systems for 5 years. I hope my rant is useful for you.</p>
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		<title>By: Marcus</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2010/05/03/steve-wozniak-the-mac-vs-pc-war-is-over/#comment-291770</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Marcus]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Oct 2010 03:36:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The iPad might be a valid argument IF people used it for their sole computer. How many people have forsaken every other computer in their home for an iPad thinking &quot;This is all the computer I need now?&quot; None. They may have sold a million in the first month, but Craigslist seems to have sold almost half as many since.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The iPad might be a valid argument IF people used it for their sole computer. How many people have forsaken every other computer in their home for an iPad thinking &#8220;This is all the computer I need now?&#8221; None. They may have sold a million in the first month, but Craigslist seems to have sold almost half as many since.</p>
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		<title>By: AL</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2010/05/03/steve-wozniak-the-mac-vs-pc-war-is-over/#comment-265848</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AL]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Aug 2010 18:19:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, yes and as was mentioned in an above comment, mac needs to release it&#039;s hardware (and some software) into the wild. I&#039;m a pc user and I have noticed that macs are horrible for any hard work (and they are useless for 
PC*emphasis* gaming). apparently they are releasing a faster mac processor this christmas, but as far as I know, they can&#039;t read .exe files to play the games. I only use iTunes because it looks good and is user friendly. However, I use Windows media player for all the complex tasks. Like you said, mac is like a dumb hot girl, but PC is an ugly smart guy. 

P.S
I love how many freeware programs you can find for windows. I can do almost anything with all the freeware I have that is compatible with windows.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, yes and as was mentioned in an above comment, mac needs to release it&#8217;s hardware (and some software) into the wild. I&#8217;m a pc user and I have noticed that macs are horrible for any hard work (and they are useless for<br />
PC*emphasis* gaming). apparently they are releasing a faster mac processor this christmas, but as far as I know, they can&#8217;t read .exe files to play the games. I only use iTunes because it looks good and is user friendly. However, I use Windows media player for all the complex tasks. Like you said, mac is like a dumb hot girl, but PC is an ugly smart guy. </p>
<p>P.S<br />
I love how many freeware programs you can find for windows. I can do almost anything with all the freeware I have that is compatible with windows.</p>
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		<title>By: gabe</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2010/05/03/steve-wozniak-the-mac-vs-pc-war-is-over/#comment-250151</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[gabe]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jun 2010 05:42:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;I think pc dominates on a computer aspect but on product designing they lack skill witch is part of the reason mac is doing better because they have sexy products.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;mac is like a retared hot girl and pc is like a ugly smart man.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;analogy fail&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think pc dominates on a computer aspect but on product designing they lack skill witch is part of the reason mac is doing better because they have sexy products.</p>
<p>mac is like a retared hot girl and pc is like a ugly smart man.</p>
<p>analogy fail</p>
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		<title>By: RS</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[RS]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jun 2010 11:02:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;Now I don&#039;t have a lot of knowledge about the whole Mac Vs PC war but from what I&#039;ve seen:
These iPads would be fragile and easy to brake
A target of theft maybe?
Screen easily scratched
Overpriced?
I&#039;m just speculating but after we all got used to PC, for time-to-time computer users like me, wouldn&#039;t it just be a nuisance to get used to a different format?
Also, is it unfair to compare a Software company(Microsoft) to Apple. I mean, Microsoft aren&#039;t widely known to make hardware. Please comment as I am doing an assignment on this.
(P.S. I&#039;m not sayin I don&#039;t like Apple. Just looking for opinions from Apple users)&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now I don&#8217;t have a lot of knowledge about the whole Mac Vs PC war but from what I&#8217;ve seen:<br />
These iPads would be fragile and easy to brake<br />
A target of theft maybe?<br />
Screen easily scratched<br />
Overpriced?<br />
I&#8217;m just speculating but after we all got used to PC, for time-to-time computer users like me, wouldn&#8217;t it just be a nuisance to get used to a different format?<br />
Also, is it unfair to compare a Software company(Microsoft) to Apple. I mean, Microsoft aren&#8217;t widely known to make hardware. Please comment as I am doing an assignment on this.<br />
(P.S. I&#8217;m not sayin I don&#8217;t like Apple. Just looking for opinions from Apple users)</p>
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		<title>By: Muchenjeri</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2010/05/03/steve-wozniak-the-mac-vs-pc-war-is-over/#comment-250149</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Muchenjeri]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jun 2010 15:50:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;Let me think. More people use pc than mac. More businesses use pc than mac.
PC competes with PC (Its XP vs Vista vs 7) while mac competes with pc. Far as I can see the war does not even exist despite the mac fanboy self congratulatory delusion. Yes, finally it is a matter of preference. I have both and just prefer the PC when I am seriously working.&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me think. More people use pc than mac. More businesses use pc than mac.<br />
PC competes with PC (Its XP vs Vista vs 7) while mac competes with pc. Far as I can see the war does not even exist despite the mac fanboy self congratulatory delusion. Yes, finally it is a matter of preference. I have both and just prefer the PC when I am seriously working.</p>
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		<title>By: bill</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bill]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 May 2010 21:12:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;yes, the mac vs pc war has been over for a long time now....... pc crushed the mac... because apple did not want to let anyone else produce its parts (back in day) they got greedy and started selling replacement parts at total ripoff prices.... they allways had a better computer... and allways had a crappy busness plan. (how many apples do you see at work?)&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yes, the mac vs pc war has been over for a long time now&#8230;&#8230;. pc crushed the mac&#8230; because apple did not want to let anyone else produce its parts (back in day) they got greedy and started selling replacement parts at total ripoff prices&#8230;. they allways had a better computer&#8230; and allways had a crappy busness plan. (how many apples do you see at work?)</p>
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		<title>By: MB</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MB]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 May 2010 03:35:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;SJ has mentioned many times that Apple has a concept of the Mac and PC as being more of a hub for data storage once the mobile market becomes the dominant space.  He&#039;s been saying this since when they came out with the iPod in 2002 (about).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The reason is that most people don&#039;t want to walk around with all their contacts, movies, music and more on their mobile device without a secure backup on their Computer at home.  Imagine if you leave your phone in a bar and someone found it and didn&#039;t return it to you, or it got wet and shorted out. You would lose all your data.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;As it is right now.  If something happens to your iDevice, when you get your new one you just take it home, plug it in, restore and your ready to go.  That&#039;s one of the reasons for iTunes.  There are many other issues such as the whole DRM thing and apple&#039;s deal with the music labels.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Eventually apple will have to move iTunes to the cloud.  Possibly then you would have to just login to iTunes on your mobile device and synch over the air back to the server without needing to plug into a computer.  Now that would be nice.&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SJ has mentioned many times that Apple has a concept of the Mac and PC as being more of a hub for data storage once the mobile market becomes the dominant space.  He&#8217;s been saying this since when they came out with the iPod in 2002 (about).</p>
<p>The reason is that most people don&#8217;t want to walk around with all their contacts, movies, music and more on their mobile device without a secure backup on their Computer at home.  Imagine if you leave your phone in a bar and someone found it and didn&#8217;t return it to you, or it got wet and shorted out. You would lose all your data.</p>
<p>As it is right now.  If something happens to your iDevice, when you get your new one you just take it home, plug it in, restore and your ready to go.  That&#8217;s one of the reasons for iTunes.  There are many other issues such as the whole DRM thing and apple&#8217;s deal with the music labels.</p>
<p>Eventually apple will have to move iTunes to the cloud.  Possibly then you would have to just login to iTunes on your mobile device and synch over the air back to the server without needing to plug into a computer.  Now that would be nice.</p>
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		<title>By: MB</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MB]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 May 2010 03:22:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;&quot;...retail versions of Windows 7 are much more expensive then retail versions of Mac OS X Snow Leopard&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;That happens to be true for many software titles for the Mac.  Many people don&#039;t realize that cost of ownership of a Mac is much less than windows machines because quite a few software titles cost less, no need for running anti-virus software (yet) and less maintenance.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;However, what I&#039;m sure he was referring to was not just buying windows 7, he was referring to buying a PC vs a Mac.  You can buy an equivalent PC (specs wise) for hundreds of dollars less than a Mac.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Most people buy based on price, hence most will buy a PC.&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;retail versions of Windows 7 are much more expensive then retail versions of Mac OS X Snow Leopard&#8221;</p>
<p>That happens to be true for many software titles for the Mac.  Many people don&#8217;t realize that cost of ownership of a Mac is much less than windows machines because quite a few software titles cost less, no need for running anti-virus software (yet) and less maintenance.</p>
<p>However, what I&#8217;m sure he was referring to was not just buying windows 7, he was referring to buying a PC vs a Mac.  You can buy an equivalent PC (specs wise) for hundreds of dollars less than a Mac.</p>
<p>Most people buy based on price, hence most will buy a PC.</p>
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		<title>By: MB</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MB]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 May 2010 03:14:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;Yes windows 7 sold alot, but microsoft has been really selling to it&#039;s base.  Many people wanted to upgrade after the Vista debacle.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The problem microsoft has is that they are kings of the desktop market, but they have completely missed the boat on the mobile market and that&#039;s the market of the future.  The mobile market is going to be much larger than the desktop.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Microft is also very late to the mobile party.  If they are going to be players in this new space, they will have alot of catching up to do to Apple, Google and possibly HP.&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes windows 7 sold alot, but microsoft has been really selling to it&#8217;s base.  Many people wanted to upgrade after the Vista debacle.</p>
<p>The problem microsoft has is that they are kings of the desktop market, but they have completely missed the boat on the mobile market and that&#8217;s the market of the future.  The mobile market is going to be much larger than the desktop.</p>
<p>Microft is also very late to the mobile party.  If they are going to be players in this new space, they will have alot of catching up to do to Apple, Google and possibly HP.</p>
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