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	<title>Comments on: Microsoft Responds About HTC Deal&#8211; Concerned About Android</title>
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		<title>By: netwiz</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2010/04/28/microsoft-responds-concerned-about-android/#comment-437832</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Apr 2010 07:22:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You know, now that I think about it, it is very true. It seems like every company these days, is suing their competition, and their competition is suing their competition and... so on. Case in point: Nokia to Apple to HTC. (an indirect blow to Google)

But what boggles my mind is that if all of these companys have enough patents on their software to kill their competitors software alternative, how did it get that way?...

My reasoning behind the question is that in the USA the way the patent system works is first to &lt;i&gt;create&lt;/i&gt; not first to file. So wouldn&#039;t that mean that the first mobile OS has the right to all of these patents?

Well I&#039;m going to contradict myself once again here. No, it doesn&#039;t mean the first OS has the right to it all, because different features were implemented at different times.

So, basically, I completely agree with you, but, the patent system in the US is such a mess, and its all thanks to those damn software patents...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, now that I think about it, it is very true. It seems like every company these days, is suing their competition, and their competition is suing their competition and&#8230; so on. Case in point: Nokia to Apple to HTC. (an indirect blow to Google)</p>
<p>But what boggles my mind is that if all of these companys have enough patents on their software to kill their competitors software alternative, how did it get that way?&#8230;</p>
<p>My reasoning behind the question is that in the USA the way the patent system works is first to <i>create</i> not first to file. So wouldn&#8217;t that mean that the first mobile OS has the right to all of these patents?</p>
<p>Well I&#8217;m going to contradict myself once again here. No, it doesn&#8217;t mean the first OS has the right to it all, because different features were implemented at different times.</p>
<p>So, basically, I completely agree with you, but, the patent system in the US is such a mess, and its all thanks to those damn software patents&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: rickybrent</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2010/04/28/microsoft-responds-concerned-about-android/#comment-437831</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Apr 2010 02:16:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The problem with that is -- except for Apple -- most of the companies in the cell phone space have enough patents of critical features to kill anything their competition might use. If Microsoft wants to play hardball, we might end up with a ban on all Windows phones (or OSes if they try to assert against Linux) and a ban on all Android phones, too, similar to what Nokia and (hilariously) Apple are requesting.

I agree that it&#039;s nice of them to talk about it and not sue, though. Microsoft just has a really bad history along these lines... :( I mean, I have a lot of stock in Microsoft, but some things are just beyond the pale.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem with that is &#8212; except for Apple &#8212; most of the companies in the cell phone space have enough patents of critical features to kill anything their competition might use. If Microsoft wants to play hardball, we might end up with a ban on all Windows phones (or OSes if they try to assert against Linux) and a ban on all Android phones, too, similar to what Nokia and (hilariously) Apple are requesting.</p>
<p>I agree that it&#8217;s nice of them to talk about it and not sue, though. Microsoft just has a really bad history along these lines&#8230; :( I mean, I have a lot of stock in Microsoft, but some things are just beyond the pale.</p>
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		<title>By: netwiz</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2010/04/28/microsoft-responds-concerned-about-android/#comment-437830</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Apr 2010 01:34:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The part where he discusses the importance of the Software Stack makes him come off as being well in the know about his field. Unlike certain other Microsoft execs &lt;em&gt;ahem&lt;/em&gt;.

I also agree with his (or Microsoft&#039;s) view on patent protection. So long as the patents are useful and not obvious (two of quite a few criteria to be granted a patent) they should be protected regardless of the company.

What I really want to know is how old these patents are, I really want to know when/if Google will ever be able to use them in the mobile space. If the patents still have a long way to go to expiration, and Microsoft could stop Google or an OEM from using them, then the mobile space may have evolved too much by then.

I&#039;m also glad Microsoft is discussing the patents with other companies rather than just outright suing. (even though they have every right to.)

Hopefully Microsoft will release more info regarding this patent dispute soon.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The part where he discusses the importance of the Software Stack makes him come off as being well in the know about his field. Unlike certain other Microsoft execs <em>ahem</em>.</p>
<p>I also agree with his (or Microsoft&#8217;s) view on patent protection. So long as the patents are useful and not obvious (two of quite a few criteria to be granted a patent) they should be protected regardless of the company.</p>
<p>What I really want to know is how old these patents are, I really want to know when/if Google will ever be able to use them in the mobile space. If the patents still have a long way to go to expiration, and Microsoft could stop Google or an OEM from using them, then the mobile space may have evolved too much by then.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m also glad Microsoft is discussing the patents with other companies rather than just outright suing. (even though they have every right to.)</p>
<p>Hopefully Microsoft will release more info regarding this patent dispute soon.</p>
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		<title>By: jahan khan rashid</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2010/04/28/microsoft-responds-concerned-about-android/#comment-437829</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Apr 2010 10:01:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is all very confusing for me, are all these patents hardware or software related? If its hardware then why should Google be worried? They have only released one phone and It looks like they won&#039;t be releasing any others. It&#039;s se,HTC,Samsung,LG and all other Android phone makers etc that should be worried. What makes me laugh is that Google really helped apples iPhone take off, and this is. What they get for it! If I was in goggles shoes id release Google navigator for free and all other future google apps and hammer them with small Android adverts!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is all very confusing for me, are all these patents hardware or software related? If its hardware then why should Google be worried? They have only released one phone and It looks like they won&#8217;t be releasing any others. It&#8217;s se,HTC,Samsung,LG and all other Android phone makers etc that should be worried. What makes me laugh is that Google really helped apples iPhone take off, and this is. What they get for it! If I was in goggles shoes id release Google navigator for free and all other future google apps and hammer them with small Android adverts!</p>
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		<title>By: dutsj</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Apr 2010 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Google (with HTC et al) should counter-attack Microsoft and demand Microsoft substantiate their claim and pinpoint the problem areas. 
Now, no correcting action is possible (as replacing the alleged offending bits) and only the Redmond-tax remains.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Google (with HTC et al) should counter-attack Microsoft and demand Microsoft substantiate their claim and pinpoint the problem areas.<br />
Now, no correcting action is possible (as replacing the alleged offending bits) and only the Redmond-tax remains.</p>
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		<title>By: mr-crash</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2010/04/28/microsoft-responds-concerned-about-android/#comment-437827</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mr-crash]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Apr 2010 09:10:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Some of the commenters on this site should move to silicon valley and take up careers as geeky comedians.

Nokia... Pay Apple for its &quot;leadership role in the smartphone space&quot;? - fantastic comedic value here.

I&#039;m not in any way diminishing the fact that Apple has (after a fashion) innovated in certain aspects of the phones they produce, but they&#039;re building a lot on the hard work Nokia in particular have done. Nokia have a colossal IP portfolio and while their products aren&#039;t really as high end as they could be any more, they&#039;ve still got enough cash to be a big pain for Apple.

But this whole attitude towards innovation shits me. Patents are supposed to encourage innovation, not be used as a crude weapon to selectively license competitors out of the cheapest or most desirable technology. Absurd.

Back to Nokia again though, Apple is stomping all over a bunch of patents they have related to the GSM and wifi radio in the phone. Which is, some might say, pretty essential to it being a phone really and all of Apple&#039;s nice software doesn&#039;t function in this context, without access to the technology locked up in those patents.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some of the commenters on this site should move to silicon valley and take up careers as geeky comedians.</p>
<p>Nokia&#8230; Pay Apple for its &#8220;leadership role in the smartphone space&#8221;? &#8211; fantastic comedic value here.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not in any way diminishing the fact that Apple has (after a fashion) innovated in certain aspects of the phones they produce, but they&#8217;re building a lot on the hard work Nokia in particular have done. Nokia have a colossal IP portfolio and while their products aren&#8217;t really as high end as they could be any more, they&#8217;ve still got enough cash to be a big pain for Apple.</p>
<p>But this whole attitude towards innovation shits me. Patents are supposed to encourage innovation, not be used as a crude weapon to selectively license competitors out of the cheapest or most desirable technology. Absurd.</p>
<p>Back to Nokia again though, Apple is stomping all over a bunch of patents they have related to the GSM and wifi radio in the phone. Which is, some might say, pretty essential to it being a phone really and all of Apple&#8217;s nice software doesn&#8217;t function in this context, without access to the technology locked up in those patents.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2010/04/28/microsoft-responds-concerned-about-android/#comment-437826</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Apr 2010 05:03:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;...and have been talking with several device manufacturers to address our concerns relative to the Android mobile platform.&quot;

This is an interesting if ambiguous statement. Is the concern about those Android manufacturers using infringing technology built on licensed Google technology or about infringing technology in Android?

The recent Microsoft/HTC licensing deal would suggest the former since HTC would hardly purchase a license to protect infringing Google technology.

It would appear the Google isn&#039;t directly threatened by Microsoft&#039;s recent actions. What may concern Google is if code built on Android was to become suddenly unavailable. Would a HTC Android phone be less desirable without Sense?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;and have been talking with several device manufacturers to address our concerns relative to the Android mobile platform.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is an interesting if ambiguous statement. Is the concern about those Android manufacturers using infringing technology built on licensed Google technology or about infringing technology in Android?</p>
<p>The recent Microsoft/HTC licensing deal would suggest the former since HTC would hardly purchase a license to protect infringing Google technology.</p>
<p>It would appear the Google isn&#8217;t directly threatened by Microsoft&#8217;s recent actions. What may concern Google is if code built on Android was to become suddenly unavailable. Would a HTC Android phone be less desirable without Sense?</p>
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		<title>By: Scotty</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2010/04/28/microsoft-responds-concerned-about-android/#comment-437825</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Apr 2010 03:01:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Whatever the merits of the patents, it&#039;s easier to get paid by an OEM for using Android when they already have to write you checks for your own mobile OS.... I think they call it: leverage. :)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whatever the merits of the patents, it&#8217;s easier to get paid by an OEM for using Android when they already have to write you checks for your own mobile OS&#8230;. I think they call it: leverage. :)</p>
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		<title>By: Brian S Hall</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2010/04/28/microsoft-responds-concerned-about-android/#comment-437824</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Apr 2010 01:35:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The smartphone wars are on!

I think that is a very sharp statement from Microsoft re the &#039;smartphone stack&#039; -- which, in effect, validates Apple&#039;s app strategy.

However, I still believe that Microsoft&#039;s DNA -- packaged desktop software -- make it a dinosaur. Therefore I expect them to become quite the patent lawsuit troll.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The smartphone wars are on!</p>
<p>I think that is a very sharp statement from Microsoft re the &#8216;smartphone stack&#8217; &#8212; which, in effect, validates Apple&#8217;s app strategy.</p>
<p>However, I still believe that Microsoft&#8217;s DNA &#8212; packaged desktop software &#8212; make it a dinosaur. Therefore I expect them to become quite the patent lawsuit troll.</p>
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		<title>By: Ricky B.</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2010/04/28/microsoft-responds-concerned-about-android/#comment-437823</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Apr 2010 23:39:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I honestly can&#039;t tell if you are being deliberately over the top sarcastically or not. O_o
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I honestly can&#8217;t tell if you are being deliberately over the top sarcastically or not. O_o</p>
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