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		<title>By: w online</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2010/03/10/big-media-or-big-seo-spammers/#comment-281906</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[w online]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Sep 2010 22:52:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[i hate all this seo rubbish, hope it will not matter after the instant google is properly inserted.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i hate all this seo rubbish, hope it will not matter after the instant google is properly inserted.</p>
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		<title>By: Cor</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2010/03/10/big-media-or-big-seo-spammers/#comment-243562</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cor]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jun 2010 20:36:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;Disappointing to hear that major media outlets are resorting to these type of tactics. I suppose they are trying to keep content fresh and ensure that there is enough content available.&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Disappointing to hear that major media outlets are resorting to these type of tactics. I suppose they are trying to keep content fresh and ensure that there is enough content available.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2010/03/10/big-media-or-big-seo-spammers/#comment-243561</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jun 2010 11:03:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;scandalous! Some people will go to great depths to make money, ripping off peoples work and profitting from other people in the process is just evil!&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>scandalous! Some people will go to great depths to make money, ripping off peoples work and profitting from other people in the process is just evil!</p>
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		<title>By: aaron wall</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[aaron wall]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2010 08:52:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;If your concern is a few old links breaking, then surely linking to the Archive.org version of a page is likely better than just removing ALL links. Further it would not be a technical challenge to at least grab the status code and leave the links that still work, while flagging 404s and such for review.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Removing all links from the articles just lowers their utility. And it is not a good longterm business practice if they want people to keep linking &lt;em&gt;at&lt;/em&gt; their articles.&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If your concern is a few old links breaking, then surely linking to the Archive.org version of a page is likely better than just removing ALL links. Further it would not be a technical challenge to at least grab the status code and leave the links that still work, while flagging 404s and such for review.</p>
<p>Removing all links from the articles just lowers their utility. And it is not a good longterm business practice if they want people to keep linking <em>at</em> their articles.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2010/03/10/big-media-or-big-seo-spammers/#comment-243559</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joseph]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 22:39:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;The recent expose(s) seobook.com did about mahal0.com has led many SEO-type folks to believe that a relationship with high ranking Googlers can get you preferential treatment.&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The recent expose(s) seobook.com did about mahal0.com has led many SEO-type folks to believe that a relationship with high ranking Googlers can get you preferential treatment.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 15:57:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;They took the commas out of her article!  Call the police!&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They took the commas out of her article!  Call the police!</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Budzik</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2010/03/10/big-media-or-big-seo-spammers/#comment-243557</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jay Budzik]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Mar 2010 06:02:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;Titles were in fact never changed.  Commas were missing on a very small number of articles.  That has been corrected.  Some articles used a nonstandard character code for the comma that was incorrectly transcoded in content feeds.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;We are also now including editorial links.  Originally, we had disabled links because on evergreen or archive stories many links were broken and we decided it would be a better user experience without so many dead ends/404 errors.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;After further consideration and discussions with our customers we made the decision to restore the links.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;We still do not think it is an ideal user experience to have so many broken links.  However we have not implemented a comprehensive solution to that yet.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;James I don&#039;t know who you are but your comment is right on!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Several of us from Perfect Market are at SXSW if you are here and want to talk to us, feel free and give us a shout on twitter.  We are @perfectmarket&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Titles were in fact never changed.  Commas were missing on a very small number of articles.  That has been corrected.  Some articles used a nonstandard character code for the comma that was incorrectly transcoded in content feeds.</p>
<p>We are also now including editorial links.  Originally, we had disabled links because on evergreen or archive stories many links were broken and we decided it would be a better user experience without so many dead ends/404 errors.</p>
<p>After further consideration and discussions with our customers we made the decision to restore the links.</p>
<p>We still do not think it is an ideal user experience to have so many broken links.  However we have not implemented a comprehensive solution to that yet.</p>
<p>James I don&#8217;t know who you are but your comment is right on!</p>
<p>Several of us from Perfect Market are at SXSW if you are here and want to talk to us, feel free and give us a shout on twitter.  We are @perfectmarket</p>
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		<title>By: Jamie</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2010/03/10/big-media-or-big-seo-spammers/#comment-243556</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jamie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 21:38:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;&quot;There seems to be no change in the actual copy so they are not keyword stuffing.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Have you looked at Violet Blue&#039;s actual complaint, which kicked this whole discussion off? I don&#039;t think you have.&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;There seems to be no change in the actual copy so they are not keyword stuffing.&#8221;</p>
<p>Have you looked at Violet Blue&#8217;s actual complaint, which kicked this whole discussion off? I don&#8217;t think you have.</p>
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		<title>By: Shafqat</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2010/03/10/big-media-or-big-seo-spammers/#comment-243555</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Shafqat]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 18:36:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;Still no explanation from &quot;James&quot; or Julie regarding why titles were changed (to completely different meanings), punctuation stripped or links removed.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The link removal is the part that is more bizarre (and gray).&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Still no explanation from &#8220;James&#8221; or Julie regarding why titles were changed (to completely different meanings), punctuation stripped or links removed.</p>
<p>The link removal is the part that is more bizarre (and gray).</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2010/03/10/big-media-or-big-seo-spammers/#comment-243554</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 14:24:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;Have any of you looked at SFgate archive pages?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;They are not scrapping or duplicating anything. The articles are their own, looks to me like they are just moving them and republishing them in an archive template. They might be changing the title of the page based on some auto process but that is not spamming. Just often writers and bloggers have vague headlines which are fine in print but on the web you need to use titles people actually search for. So Dog Bites Man not Canine Snacks on Human.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The pages have less ads than their main pages, jsut htey are mostly Google Adsense ones.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;They might be stripping out some repeat text like biogs and such as that would make the pages less focused in terms of search. But that is a good practice, search engines want to be able to find relevant articles of high quality.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;There seems to be no change in the actual copy so they are not keyword stuffing.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I would say the worst offenders for spamming are blogger with every SEO plugin swditched on and generating thousands of emptyish tag pages.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;This is a non-story.&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have any of you looked at SFgate archive pages?</p>
<p>They are not scrapping or duplicating anything. The articles are their own, looks to me like they are just moving them and republishing them in an archive template. They might be changing the title of the page based on some auto process but that is not spamming. Just often writers and bloggers have vague headlines which are fine in print but on the web you need to use titles people actually search for. So Dog Bites Man not Canine Snacks on Human.</p>
<p>The pages have less ads than their main pages, jsut htey are mostly Google Adsense ones.</p>
<p>They might be stripping out some repeat text like biogs and such as that would make the pages less focused in terms of search. But that is a good practice, search engines want to be able to find relevant articles of high quality.</p>
<p>There seems to be no change in the actual copy so they are not keyword stuffing.</p>
<p>I would say the worst offenders for spamming are blogger with every SEO plugin swditched on and generating thousands of emptyish tag pages.</p>
<p>This is a non-story.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian S Hall</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brian S Hall]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 00:08:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;Newspapers as cyberpunks. Love it!
But for some reason, I can&#039;t get that old Far Side image out of my head; the one where the gang of dinosaurs are huddled together, smoking cigarettes.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Death is rarely pretty.&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Newspapers as cyberpunks. Love it!<br />
But for some reason, I can&#8217;t get that old Far Side image out of my head; the one where the gang of dinosaurs are huddled together, smoking cigarettes.</p>
<p>Death is rarely pretty.</p>
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		<title>By: tolleson</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2010/03/10/big-media-or-big-seo-spammers/#comment-243552</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[tolleson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 23:09:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;Google is getting spammed by too many angles to handle. They only deal with the worst of the worst. Spamming is now part of the web.&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Google is getting spammed by too many angles to handle. They only deal with the worst of the worst. Spamming is now part of the web.</p>
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		<title>By: David Hawthorne</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2010/03/10/big-media-or-big-seo-spammers/#comment-243551</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Hawthorne]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 20:13:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;Most people will stoop to any level to pick up a penny --as long as it&#039;s laying there in the open, with no obvious owner, and no awful onus attached to it.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Someone build me a spambot-app that lets me spam every website that offends me. In moments the offender will be calling his lawyer to drag me into court to explain why I did it.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;It easy, your honor. The SOB stole my time, my attention, and directly or indirectly, cost me money -to make money he has no intention of sharing with me.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If such a retaliatory spambot-app existed, I would pay the app store a handsome price for that bot. They would pay a handsome royalty to the app developer. Legitimate business interests would lobby for legislation to &quot;ban the avenging spambot app.&quot; Odd that they wouldn&#039;t think to stop the offending practice first.  &quot;Oh, what tangled webs we weave....&quot; -dh&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most people will stoop to any level to pick up a penny &#8211;as long as it&#8217;s laying there in the open, with no obvious owner, and no awful onus attached to it.</p>
<p>Someone build me a spambot-app that lets me spam every website that offends me. In moments the offender will be calling his lawyer to drag me into court to explain why I did it.</p>
<p>&#8220;It easy, your honor. The SOB stole my time, my attention, and directly or indirectly, cost me money -to make money he has no intention of sharing with me.&#8221;</p>
<p>If such a retaliatory spambot-app existed, I would pay the app store a handsome price for that bot. They would pay a handsome royalty to the app developer. Legitimate business interests would lobby for legislation to &#8220;ban the avenging spambot app.&#8221; Odd that they wouldn&#8217;t think to stop the offending practice first.  &#8220;Oh, what tangled webs we weave&#8230;.&#8221; -dh</p>
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		<title>By: Sanjay Maharaj</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2010/03/10/big-media-or-big-seo-spammers/#comment-243550</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sanjay Maharaj]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 20:07:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;I am amazed that Google tolerates this kind of behaviour but on the other hand it clearly deminstrates that print media does not understand how this game is played and why for the past 10-15 years they failed on the net.&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am amazed that Google tolerates this kind of behaviour but on the other hand it clearly deminstrates that print media does not understand how this game is played and why for the past 10-15 years they failed on the net.</p>
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		<title>By: Dawn R</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2010/03/10/big-media-or-big-seo-spammers/#comment-243549</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dawn R]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 17:14:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;Hi, there:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;This is a really interesting topic that helped blow up a Windy Citizen discussion thread last week following an interesting post from a former ChicagoNow blogger.  We invite you to check it out, because there are many examples and anecdotes relevant to what you&#039;re talking about here.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Thanks!&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, there:</p>
<p>This is a really interesting topic that helped blow up a Windy Citizen discussion thread last week following an interesting post from a former ChicagoNow blogger.  We invite you to check it out, because there are many examples and anecdotes relevant to what you&#8217;re talking about here.</p>
<p>Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Om Malik</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2010/03/10/big-media-or-big-seo-spammers/#comment-243548</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Om Malik]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 15:29:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;Gary&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Interesting point of view. Why do you say that? I mean if this is clearly a breach, why would Google let them get away. I would love to know more about your reasons.&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gary</p>
<p>Interesting point of view. Why do you say that? I mean if this is clearly a breach, why would Google let them get away. I would love to know more about your reasons.</p>
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