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	<title>Comments on: Outside.in to AOL&#039;s Patch: Bring It On</title>
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		<title>By: Frrole</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2010/03/05/outside-in-to-aols-patch-bring-it-on/#comment-761799</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Frrole]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Dec 2011 09:35:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@mathewi Mathew, w.r.t. your http://t.co/0W97OpOd post, would you please be kind enough to take a look at http://t.co/G2a9PfW7 once?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@mathewi Mathew, w.r.t. your <a href="http://t.co/0W97OpOd" rel="nofollow">http://t.co/0W97OpOd</a> post, would you please be kind enough to take a look at <a href="http://t.co/G2a9PfW7" rel="nofollow">http://t.co/G2a9PfW7</a> once?</p>
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		<title>By: This Just In! I’m Moving To Patch.com – Port Jefferson Edition &#124; aka@obilon</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2010/03/05/outside-in-to-aols-patch-bring-it-on/#comment-525212</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[This Just In! I’m Moving To Patch.com – Port Jefferson Edition &#124; aka@obilon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Nov 2010 16:26:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] It’s going to be good to contribute to the community and hopefully do some good. I believe in the business model that AOL has invested in with Patch.com and I think it will be a great success. I hope to [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] It’s going to be good to contribute to the community and hopefully do some good. I believe in the business model that AOL has invested in with Patch.com and I think it will be a great success. I hope to [...]</p>
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		<title>By: DataSphere Raises $10M For Hyper-Local News Platform &#171;</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2010/03/05/outside-in-to-aols-patch-bring-it-on/#comment-272264</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DataSphere Raises $10M For Hyper-Local News Platform &#171;]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Sep 2010 15:46:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] million on Patch this year. Other services going after the hyper-local news and advertising market include Outside.in and Topix, which is owned by a group of publishers including Gannett, Tribune and [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] million on Patch this year. Other services going after the hyper-local news and advertising market include Outside.in and Topix, which is owned by a group of publishers including Gannett, Tribune and [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Topix Gets Local With Twitter and Social With Facebook &#124; The Informative Report</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2010/03/05/outside-in-to-aols-patch-bring-it-on/#comment-243108</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Topix Gets Local With Twitter and Social With Facebook &#124; The Informative Report]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 May 2010 01:09:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;[...] others who put them on a map like that.” Asked whether this was a reference to Outside.in, which also provides local aggregated news, Tolles said he didn’t want to single out any one [...]&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] others who put them on a map like that.” Asked whether this was a reference to Outside.in, which also provides local aggregated news, Tolles said he didn’t want to single out any one [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Topix Gets Local With Twitter and Social With Facebook</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2010/03/05/outside-in-to-aols-patch-bring-it-on/#comment-243107</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Topix Gets Local With Twitter and Social With Facebook]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 May 2010 21:40:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;[...] who put them on a map like that.&#8221; Asked whether this was a reference to Outside.in, which also provides local aggregated news, Tolles said he didn&#8217;t want to single out any one [...]&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] who put them on a map like that.&#8221; Asked whether this was a reference to Outside.in, which also provides local aggregated news, Tolles said he didn&#8217;t want to single out any one [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Freedom</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2010/03/05/outside-in-to-aols-patch-bring-it-on/#comment-243106</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sam Freedom]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Mar 2010 21:10:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;Camilla,&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It was nice of you to offer &quot;full disclosure&quot;, but it was obvious from the outset. ;)  I should probably disclose that I&#039;m working for patch.com as an &quot;independent contractor&quot; on, what some might call the lowest rung of their ladder, but, as I&#039;ve said, I come from many years in family business and can both recognize, and utilize, the huge value in going around shaking the hands of 100s of business owners each day.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;While I think there&#039;s no comparison and, therefore (at least not now), no real competition between the two, there&#039;s still something to be said for &quot;the feel&quot; of local editors, and all kinds of &quot;townies&quot;, scooping out the local news, plus all the community having the opportunity to interact in a myriad of ways, versus that of aggregated news being reassembled into a local online rag.  Again, the former engages the community and encourages community building; the latter continues to be a non-engaging form for passive reading.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The only advantage an Outside.In has over &lt;em&gt;any&lt;/em&gt; hyper-local news venture is that it&#039;s existence isn&#039;t predicated on the survival of any one particular hyperlocal news venture.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Matt --&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I&#039;ve witnessed the innards of entrepreneurial internet marketing for quite some time so I like to think I can spot trends and the kind of innovation that springs from unintended consequences.  So, imagine this (purely theory)...&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Remember what AOL was?  It was like one large city with a little bit of everything in it.  It was large, like a T-Rex and it ate like one, too.  But, even though it&#039;s not out for the count, the &quot;Dino Age&quot;, for many, is coming to an end.  So, just like we now have reptiles (and other animals) that are much smaller relatives of those dinos, I believe Patch could turn into a whole bunch of &quot;mini-AOLs.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Imagine this...&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The grassroots buzz &lt;em&gt;will&lt;/em&gt; reach a critical mass where Patch.com DOES get a whole lot of attention.  All it takes is one, or two, well-placed mentions on a news network (just like the insane fiverr.com got the other day).  So, while off to a slow, methodical start, getting a big boost of attention will not be the problem.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The question is on how to RETAIN those visitors; how to keep them coming back; and how to incentivize them to spread the word.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Since I&#039;m going on too long for the &quot;internet age attention span&quot;, I&#039;m going to sum this all up quickly...&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Each patch starts off as a neat, well-developed, well-attended, community news website... THEN, ideally, we would see the &lt;em&gt;backdooring in&lt;/em&gt; of the things that are piled on as &quot;standard&quot; in so many non-community local news sites... blogs and forums, for example.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Once a certain number of people sign up for news from a given patch, it&#039;d be just perfect to see it offer blogs to the locals under local-based categories (e.g. Marblehead MA, a prolific sailing community, might have a blog community for boaters), and forums that eschew controversial topics but, instead, have sections that are supremely relevant to the individual city.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It&#039;s called &quot;framing&quot;... you offer that stuff up first, and you&#039;re offering too much.  But start people off with a &quot;bite&quot; of hyperlocal community news, create buzz by putting up flyers around town and shaking the hands of 100s of business owners, and then... a little way down the road, offer added services that take almost nothing to maintain -- maybe a few locals to monitor the forums for free.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;From THERE, they could find all kinds of local talent to add to their talent pool, either for hire, or accepting article contributions for the free exposure (cooking tips by local restaurant owners, sailing tips by local yachters or charter boats, fly tying tips by local fishermen, etc. etc.)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Creating &quot;mini-local-AOLs&quot; from the inside-out...&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I say never stop building, and always pay homage to synergies.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Ok, I&#039;m out...!  Thanks for stoking a fun, informative conservation.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Sam&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Camilla,</p>
<p>It was nice of you to offer &#8220;full disclosure&#8221;, but it was obvious from the outset. ;)  I should probably disclose that I&#8217;m working for patch.com as an &#8220;independent contractor&#8221; on, what some might call the lowest rung of their ladder, but, as I&#8217;ve said, I come from many years in family business and can both recognize, and utilize, the huge value in going around shaking the hands of 100s of business owners each day.</p>
<p>While I think there&#8217;s no comparison and, therefore (at least not now), no real competition between the two, there&#8217;s still something to be said for &#8220;the feel&#8221; of local editors, and all kinds of &#8220;townies&#8221;, scooping out the local news, plus all the community having the opportunity to interact in a myriad of ways, versus that of aggregated news being reassembled into a local online rag.  Again, the former engages the community and encourages community building; the latter continues to be a non-engaging form for passive reading.</p>
<p>The only advantage an Outside.In has over <em>any</em> hyper-local news venture is that it&#8217;s existence isn&#8217;t predicated on the survival of any one particular hyperlocal news venture.</p>
<p>Matt &#8211;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve witnessed the innards of entrepreneurial internet marketing for quite some time so I like to think I can spot trends and the kind of innovation that springs from unintended consequences.  So, imagine this (purely theory)&#8230;</p>
<p>Remember what AOL was?  It was like one large city with a little bit of everything in it.  It was large, like a T-Rex and it ate like one, too.  But, even though it&#8217;s not out for the count, the &#8220;Dino Age&#8221;, for many, is coming to an end.  So, just like we now have reptiles (and other animals) that are much smaller relatives of those dinos, I believe Patch could turn into a whole bunch of &#8220;mini-AOLs.&#8221;</p>
<p>Imagine this&#8230;</p>
<p>The grassroots buzz <em>will</em> reach a critical mass where Patch.com DOES get a whole lot of attention.  All it takes is one, or two, well-placed mentions on a news network (just like the insane fiverr.com got the other day).  So, while off to a slow, methodical start, getting a big boost of attention will not be the problem.</p>
<p>The question is on how to RETAIN those visitors; how to keep them coming back; and how to incentivize them to spread the word.</p>
<p>Since I&#8217;m going on too long for the &#8220;internet age attention span&#8221;, I&#8217;m going to sum this all up quickly&#8230;</p>
<p>Each patch starts off as a neat, well-developed, well-attended, community news website&#8230; THEN, ideally, we would see the <em>backdooring in</em> of the things that are piled on as &#8220;standard&#8221; in so many non-community local news sites&#8230; blogs and forums, for example.</p>
<p>Once a certain number of people sign up for news from a given patch, it&#8217;d be just perfect to see it offer blogs to the locals under local-based categories (e.g. Marblehead MA, a prolific sailing community, might have a blog community for boaters), and forums that eschew controversial topics but, instead, have sections that are supremely relevant to the individual city.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s called &#8220;framing&#8221;&#8230; you offer that stuff up first, and you&#8217;re offering too much.  But start people off with a &#8220;bite&#8221; of hyperlocal community news, create buzz by putting up flyers around town and shaking the hands of 100s of business owners, and then&#8230; a little way down the road, offer added services that take almost nothing to maintain &#8212; maybe a few locals to monitor the forums for free.</p>
<p>From THERE, they could find all kinds of local talent to add to their talent pool, either for hire, or accepting article contributions for the free exposure (cooking tips by local restaurant owners, sailing tips by local yachters or charter boats, fly tying tips by local fishermen, etc. etc.)</p>
<p>Creating &#8220;mini-local-AOLs&#8221; from the inside-out&#8230;</p>
<p>I say never stop building, and always pay homage to synergies.</p>
<p>Ok, I&#8217;m out&#8230;!  Thanks for stoking a fun, informative conservation.</p>
<p>Sam</p>
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		<title>By: jehutson</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2010/03/05/outside-in-to-aols-patch-bring-it-on/#comment-243105</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jehutson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 17:46:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;Patch is currently only in small cities. That is the entire point of Patch, they create these little &quot;patches&quot; all over the places covering small localities.&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patch is currently only in small cities. That is the entire point of Patch, they create these little &#8220;patches&#8221; all over the places covering small localities.</p>
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		<title>By: camilla</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2010/03/05/outside-in-to-aols-patch-bring-it-on/#comment-243104</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[camilla]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 18:21:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;Another big distinction we need to make here is that Patch.com is a consumer destination site (a great one for many of the neighborhoods they&#039;ve launched in).  While Outside.in does have a consumer-facing site, it is much more than that.  A big focus at Outside.in is actually on the b2b side where they provide the technology and platform to publishers to aggregate, curate, and create their own edited version of local news sections and pages.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;What people see on Outside.in when they search for their cities/ nabes/ zip codes does not reflect the power of curation that Outside.in brings to the publishers via their platform.  Thus, Patch.com vs Outside.in is not really an apple to apples comparison IMHO.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;And, full disclosure, I work for Outside.in.&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another big distinction we need to make here is that Patch.com is a consumer destination site (a great one for many of the neighborhoods they&#8217;ve launched in).  While Outside.in does have a consumer-facing site, it is much more than that.  A big focus at Outside.in is actually on the b2b side where they provide the technology and platform to publishers to aggregate, curate, and create their own edited version of local news sections and pages.</p>
<p>What people see on Outside.in when they search for their cities/ nabes/ zip codes does not reflect the power of curation that Outside.in brings to the publishers via their platform.  Thus, Patch.com vs Outside.in is not really an apple to apples comparison IMHO.</p>
<p>And, full disclosure, I work for Outside.in.</p>
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		<title>By: tolleson</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[tolleson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 17:32:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;yeah, none of these sites are very useful to be honest.&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yeah, none of these sites are very useful to be honest.</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anthony]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 14:22:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;I looked at Outside.in for my location, which is a small city, and discovered all it contained was links to the major media. It might be useful in larger cities where there is more localized media to begin with, but I don&#039;t see it ever being useful where I live if it merely serves as an aggregator. Patch.com might be more useful for me if they ever leave the large cities.&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I looked at Outside.in for my location, which is a small city, and discovered all it contained was links to the major media. It might be useful in larger cities where there is more localized media to begin with, but I don&#8217;t see it ever being useful where I live if it merely serves as an aggregator. Patch.com might be more useful for me if they ever leave the large cities.</p>
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