Comments on: In the Netherlands, 1 Gbps Broadband Will Soon Be Everywhere http://gigaom.com/2010/02/19/in-netherlands-1-gbps-broadband-will-soon-be-everywhere/ Wed, 19 Jun 2013 05:45:53 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: Ivo Vos http://gigaom.com/2010/02/19/in-netherlands-1-gbps-broadband-will-soon-be-everywhere/#comment-266058 Mon, 30 Aug 2010 12:51:36 +0000 http://gigaom.com/2010/02/19/in-netherlands-1-gbps-broadband-will-soon-be-everywhere/#comment-266058 Esme, months later I stumbled on your comment. Good question indeed, why not in the centre of Amsterdam but in Zeewolde, or Niftrik, another rural place with 320 inhabitants of all places ? After a couple of years experience with different models, there seems to be a critical factor involved that is stated in your question, community. I theorized about different possibillities in a study, available on the Internet, ‘Het voorzienbare monopolie’, and hypothesized that in a ‘free market’ economy these kind of networks represent value for the end-users, but not for the current providers. Which translates not only into a feasible technical and business model but at the same time into the possibillity – or lack thereof -to organize future users into a collective, a community of users which translates into ample security for a third part investor. Maria points this out as well in her comments, and I think she is absolutely right. Another possibillity might be collective funding, a cooperation, but this will run against the ‘zeitgeist’, or some kind of direct or indirect state funding or public interest funders, which seem to happen in Cleveland. Since you have direct experience about living in Amsterdam, you probably know that even asking the direction over there to say, central station, leaves you with as many directions and discussions as bystanders asked :-), while in Zeewolde you probably will always get one right answer, and from there we might have a clue for your question. I think this is where free market economy hits the road of public interest. Even though the investment is slightly higher (10 to 30 percent) in rural area’s. As an aside, I like to point out that with fiber networks, it’s not about bandwith or the lack thereof. The idea is to create a network where costs are hardly related to speed and network speed is allways higher than the sum of the connected devices, ‘there is allways enough bandwith’. This will allow to concentrate on the application side of networks. Of course we have some way, in some instances a long way, to go, but the basic idea is there anyway.

]]> By: The Deadline Is Tomorrow But Google Fiber Is Already Changing Towns – GigaOM http://gigaom.com/2010/02/19/in-netherlands-1-gbps-broadband-will-soon-be-everywhere/#comment-241412 Thu, 25 Mar 2010 18:38:38 +0000 http://gigaom.com/2010/02/19/in-netherlands-1-gbps-broadband-will-soon-be-everywhere/#comment-241412 [...] which would serve between 50,000 and 500,000, and have outlined other areas of the world that have gigabit connections [...]

]]> By: Kevin Walsh http://gigaom.com/2010/02/19/in-netherlands-1-gbps-broadband-will-soon-be-everywhere/#comment-241411 Tue, 23 Feb 2010 00:24:30 +0000 http://gigaom.com/2010/02/19/in-netherlands-1-gbps-broadband-will-soon-be-everywhere/#comment-241411 Om, I will watch Google with great interest. Virtually every network is built in such a way that core resources are oversubscribed. Given statistical usage patterns, this is an economically sound thing to do. Even if Google refrains from oversubscribing their own assets, the Internet itself is hugely oversubscribed (which, again, it should be). Unless they plan on parking a yottabit switch in, say, Kansas, this will always be a defining characteristic of data networks.

]]> By: Om Malik http://gigaom.com/2010/02/19/in-netherlands-1-gbps-broadband-will-soon-be-everywhere/#comment-241410 Mon, 22 Feb 2010 23:41:50 +0000 http://gigaom.com/2010/02/19/in-netherlands-1-gbps-broadband-will-soon-be-everywhere/#comment-241410 Kevin/The Senator, as an addition to my previous response, I don’t necessarily disagree with you.

On the Akamai’s report and the Japan’s average downstream numbers — I suspect those are lower because it includes people using DSL. Availability of Fiber connections is one thing. Getting people to buy them is a whole different story. :-)

]]> By: Om Malik http://gigaom.com/2010/02/19/in-netherlands-1-gbps-broadband-will-soon-be-everywhere/#comment-241409 Mon, 22 Feb 2010 23:38:37 +0000 http://gigaom.com/2010/02/19/in-netherlands-1-gbps-broadband-will-soon-be-everywhere/#comment-241409 Esme

it might be good to go back and read the post again where I do point out that ReggeFiber is in partnership with KPN.

Also, the case you make for the heart of Amsterdam, well you could make the case for NY or San Francisco. As Marc points out (and as I did in my previous post) lots of smaller communities are getting those higher speeds earlier because of lower cost of deployment.

]]> By: Om Malik http://gigaom.com/2010/02/19/in-netherlands-1-gbps-broadband-will-soon-be-everywhere/#comment-241408 Mon, 22 Feb 2010 23:35:05 +0000 http://gigaom.com/2010/02/19/in-netherlands-1-gbps-broadband-will-soon-be-everywhere/#comment-241408 The Senator, Kevin et. al

From what I gather, Google is going to build an infrastructure that actually is going to be able to offer a full 1Gbps throughput as it would also hook up to a special backhaul network and would also serve stuff off highly optimized servers. They will be looking at learning from the 1 Gbps experience. Internally this is being viewed as a test bed network.

Thought I would add that.

]]> By: Om Malik http://gigaom.com/2010/02/19/in-netherlands-1-gbps-broadband-will-soon-be-everywhere/#comment-241407 Mon, 22 Feb 2010 23:31:57 +0000 http://gigaom.com/2010/02/19/in-netherlands-1-gbps-broadband-will-soon-be-everywhere/#comment-241407 She isn’t leaving Austin anytime soon.

]]> By: Om Malik http://gigaom.com/2010/02/19/in-netherlands-1-gbps-broadband-will-soon-be-everywhere/#comment-241406 Mon, 22 Feb 2010 23:31:16 +0000 http://gigaom.com/2010/02/19/in-netherlands-1-gbps-broadband-will-soon-be-everywhere/#comment-241406 hey marc

Good to hear from you buddy. and i am quite familiar with what you guys are doing. just waiting for some news from you folks.

]]> By: Om Malik http://gigaom.com/2010/02/19/in-netherlands-1-gbps-broadband-will-soon-be-everywhere/#comment-241405 Mon, 22 Feb 2010 23:30:31 +0000 http://gigaom.com/2010/02/19/in-netherlands-1-gbps-broadband-will-soon-be-everywhere/#comment-241405 Herman

Thanks for the update. I will follow up with you via email as well.

]]> By: Om Malik http://gigaom.com/2010/02/19/in-netherlands-1-gbps-broadband-will-soon-be-everywhere/#comment-241404 Mon, 22 Feb 2010 23:30:04 +0000 http://gigaom.com/2010/02/19/in-netherlands-1-gbps-broadband-will-soon-be-everywhere/#comment-241404 http://bit.ly/cZ8PTJ here you go.

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