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I clearly remember the moment I knew I would never buy another physical CD and would buy all my music online. Since then, I’ve been waiting for the moment when I would know that I could buy all my movies online. In November, Apple announced that […]

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I clearly remember the moment I knew I would never buy another physical CD and would buy all my music online. Since then, I’ve been waiting for the moment when I would know that I could buy all my movies online. In November, Apple announced that it was adding Disney movies in high definition to the iTunes Store. I’ve spent the last few months debating with myself if this heralded the end of buying physical media for movies.

In a word: No

In two words: Not Yet

Why I Buy Music from iTunes (and Amazon MP3)

For music, once iTunes Plus was the standard on the iTunes Store, I knew that I didn’t need to buy physical CD’s any more. All I was doing was ripping my music to 256kbps AAC or MP3 anyways, so why not just buy them that way? And album prices on iTunes were the same or lower than brick-and-mortar prices on CD’s. Take Amazon MP3 into account, and it was an easy decision to switch to digital purchases.

Why I Have Not Been Buying Movies from iTunes

Basically, it comes down to the stereo sound. I can’t stand the idea of not using my surround sound setup and massive subwoofer (it literally shakes my whole house…I love it). With lower picture quality and lame stereo sound, I was not tempted at all to get movies from iTunes. I did try a few 99 cent rentals and found that to be just fine, but my $9 Netflix membership gives me access to tons of streaming movies at the same quality.

Now that HD movies sport surround sound, I was anxious to compare some familiar titles where I could spot the difference in picture quality and audio.

Disney/Pixar Makes Great HD Material

I have kids at home and we are therefore obligated to pay our annual Disney tax to stock our home with family-friendly, candy-coated entertainment from our media overlords in Burbank, CA.  Some of the Pixar movies make great reference material to show off your home theater and I focused on these titles to compare the difference between iTunes SD & HD, DVD, Handbrake encodes, and Blu-ray.

Picture Quality

Let me say up front that the difference in picture quality between the various formats is clearly visible on a big screen. Blu-ray has the best picture quality and was correctly identified by all the members of my family in a simple visual test. The surprise for me is how close iTunes HD is to Blu-ray. I watched several scenes in Wall-E over and over again looking at the differences between the iTunes HD file and the Blu-ray Disc (BRD), particularly the first 10 minutes and the interior shots of the ship. The iTunes HD file was quite a bit better than what I expected and makes a serious case for choosing to buy content on iTunes.

For SD content, I watched Monsters, Inc. and compared the iTunes file (what Disney calls a Digital Copy) with a Handbrake 0.9.3 rip I made using the Apple TV preset (0.9.4, the current version, should produce similar quality output). The quality is almost identical although the Handbrake rip was slightly brighter. The quality is slightly below DVD, but so close that most people probably won’t notice.

For my money, the image quality is close enough on the iTunes HD files that I could be tempted to just buy them on iTunes. If you’re watching on a 42″ screen or smaller, the quality is probably indistinguishable.

Audio Quality

My Blu-ray player is configured to decode all the lossless audio formats and send 7.1 analog sound to my receiver. It works great. I was really concerned about the audio here because I would not buy anything with only a stereo track.

The audio on the iTunes HD movies is good enough to consider buying them. The difference between Dolby Digital and the lossless audio tracks is noticeable, but 5.1 surround sound is enough to get me over the bulk of my previous objections.

Convenience

Convenience is a big deal for me. I actually prefer having movies on my Apple TV because I don’t have to endure any forced advertising or trailers. I can just start the movie. I also like that my kids don’t have to handle the discs, avoiding the possibility of scratching them. Combined with the amazing Apple Remote iPhone app, the Apple TV is a great movie jukebox — even better than the 301 slot DVD changer I used to have.

Now that Extras are available with iTunes HD files, I think iTunes movies actually win on convenience, with one big caveat — you really need an Apple TV or a Mac mini media center connected to your big screen TV to appreciate them. A 27″ iMac would get pretty close on its own though.

Why Movies are Different than Music

I was a weekend musician for a large part of the 80′s and 90′s and I love music. I owned a SACD player because I loved hearing the subtle details in Miles Davis’ Kind of Blue and the sound of Stevie Ray Vaughan’s fingers sliding across the strings in Texas Flood. But I only really enjoyed the difference when I was sitting in the “sweet spot” of my two-channel system with perfect stereo imaging. I couldn’t really appreciate the difference in the quality of the recordings between SACD and CD when I had music on in the background as I was working around the house. Music downloads are successful for the simple reason that convenience and quality are sufficient. The difference in quality does not bother people because you typically are not giving your full attention to the sound quality while jogging, working, eating, etc. and the convenience is king because no one is willing to get up and change a CD anymore.

Movies are different because you are planted in front of the screen for about two hours and typically devote your full attention to the film while watching it. This makes all the difference in comparing incremental differences in the quality of Blu-ray and iTunes HD. If I’m going to give my full attention to something for two hours, I want the best quality. I would be tempted by the convenience of iTunes downloads, but at the same price point, I just want the best quality.

What Would It Take for Me to Buy iTunes Movies?

Lower prices. The quality is fine for the movies that I watched. But at the same price point, I’ll take the Blu-ray and deal with putting the disc in the changer and the possibility that my kids might scratch them. If I really want the movie to be easy to get to for my kids, I’ll make my own encode and put it on my Apple TV anyways.

I would say 1080p or higher bitrate to bring the video quality closer to Blu-ray, but 10GB (or higher) downloads seem unrealistic at this point. Maybe someday that comment will seem shortsighted when we all have fiber to the home, but for now I think the best compromise is to get $5 and $10 movies from iTunes and $15-25 discs in the store.

What about you? Is iTunes HD enough for you in terms of quality/convenience? If not, what would it take?

Equipment Used: I compared the files using an Apple TV (3.0) and a Pioneer BDP-51FD connected to a calibrated 57″ Sony KP-57HW40 with a Denon surround receiver with 5.1 speakers (Infinity L+R powered full-range towers, 3-way center, bookshelf surrounds + SVS 20-39PC subwoofer).

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  1. New CDs are cheaper than Digital Downloads. Used CDs are far cheaper.
    Yes, the quality of iTunes HD is okay, but it’s way over-priced, and can’t compete with the Blu-ray experience.

    P.S. The proper abbreviation for Blu-ray Disc is “BD”.

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    1. I did a quick check on music prices and I see that albums are the same or cheaper on iTunes (digital) versus Amazon.com (physical). I buy some used CD’s, but convenience and the chance to buy single tracks usually pushes me to iTunes.

      You are right about the BD abbreviation. I should know better than to just accept things I read on Internet forums or blogs. ;)

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    2. Don’t forget, you really can’t compare the superior sound quality you get from a CD. Ripping to MP3 no matter what bit rate you use will not beat the quality of uncompressed audio.

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    3. Where do you buy CDs that are cheaper than the $7.99-9.99 that most albums on iTunes or Amazon MP3 cost? I just don’t buy that argument.

      Not to mention, physical CD’s take up space…quite a bit of space when you’ve got hundreds or thousands of them.

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    4. @djmactech – of course CD’s are better, but I just don’t sit still to listen to them on my stereo or with good headphones. At 192+ kbps AAC or MP3, I can’t appreciate the difference under most conditions.

      Part of what I was trying to point out is that video is very different in this regard. I give my full attention to the movie (usually) and every little bit of picture and sound quality matters.

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    5. @Josh Pigford I constantly buy used CD’s for cheaper than that at my local used record store. For new you are right you can’t get cheaper than that even at cost for a physical copy (I used to work in a record store and new releases were rarely below 6.99 cost, usually much higher)

      But used is the way to go if you want the physical copy, no need to spend unnecessarily!

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    6. I could probably write a book on finding deals on CDs, but here’s the abbreviated version.
      New releases are often $9.99. Emerging artists may have debut albums that sell for $6.99 – 7.99.
      YourMusic.com has CDs for $6.99 with free shipping.
      Catalog CD titles sell for as little as $4.99.
      Used CDs in like new condition can be found for $2.00 – $8.00.

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    7. I am sold now on iTunes HD movies. I will not be sucked into another physical format. To play Blu-ray discs I have to buy a whole new player, and with the next new disc format I will have to again. With upgraded in iTunes, no new hardware needed.

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    8. CD’s are no substitute for 96k/24 bit or higher rates. Analog is best but unfortunately most people have no frame of reference. ACC sounds better than MP3. It seems that 44.1/16bit is an acceptable as a delivery medium. The delivery pipes are still too small for high quality downloading. I’ll have to wait for terabit internet.

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  2. I totally agree. The picture and sound from a Blu-ray set up is an order of magnitude better than the over priced compressed files from iTunes. I would totally love a Blu-ray equipped Mac Mini with HDMI out. At least GIVE ME THE OPTION! Apple could capture the HTPC market with such a device. The Apple TV is a crippled device designed to spur iTunes revenue. Steve’s “bag of hurt” issues with Blu-ray are that they would hurt iTunes sales. I am a fan of Apple, but this is one case where I disagree with the “Apple knows best” philosophy.

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    1. I don’t know if it’s an order of magnitude better. Definitely better, but it’s close enough that it gave me pause and forced me to watch scenes from Wall-E over and over to point out the differences.

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  3. Good article. I still struggle with whether to purchase an AppleTV. Having spent so much money on my home theater setup, it’s tough to justify the mediocrity this device represents.

    Someday, someday…less-compressed 1080p will push me over the edge. Till then, .

    Keith

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    1. I love my AppleTV if only for the music playback. I’m frustrated by different aspects of it (why is the interface prioritized to iTunes over the content I already have ready to play?), but using AppleTV with the iPhone remote app is the best (read: most convenient) music playback device I have ever owned.

      The fact that it does movies, and trailers, and iTunes U, and podcasts, is intriguing and quite useful in certain cases.

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  4. The bandwidth and the price are keeping me away from iTunesHD. I only get 60GB a month and will not upgrade my internet plan when I can just buy the same movie on disc. Inconvenient but more economical.

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    1. Thanks for bringing this up. I sometimes forget that unmetered broadband Internet access is not available to all our readers. I’ve been spoiled by cable modem service in the US.

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  5. First Compare somethign like Ironman or Transoporter3 not an anamated movie. Animation always looks good.

    Also when you purchase a Blu-ray, that disc is playable on any Blu-ray player.
    In many PC computers, home theater in a box systems, stand alone players etc.
    iTunes is not that easy. I can take a disc to just about any of my friends home and play it. I cant say that about a digital file locked up on my computer.

    Blu-ray Bit rate: BD Video movies have a maximum data transfer rate of 54 Mbit/s, a maximum AV bitrate of 48 Mbit/s (for both audio and video data), and a maximum video bit rate of 40 Mbit/s. Most movies I watch average in the 30Mbps +- range. (Try that with digital downloads.)

    The bottom line for me is I refuse to allow myself to get locked into the Apple jail.

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  6. What do you use to encode movies so they work with the Apple TV? What about encoding a movie file that is the wrong format for the Apple TV?

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    1. Michael,

      On a Mac…. download two tools, Handbrake http://handbrake.fr/ and MetaX. Handbrake in its “default” will export to a format the AppleTV. I suggest changing the default rip from “constant quality %” to “bits per second” (set to 1200 to 1800 bps) depending on the movie. The old Handbrake default worked beautifully on the AppleTV, the new default just plain stinks.

      Once Handbrake is done, open MetaX http://www.kerstetter.net/page53/page54/page54.html which adds the cover art, movie ratings, description etc to the movie and makes it look “cool” in iTunes (done correctly it looks as good as a file purchased off iTunes.)

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    2. According to Handbrake the average bitrate is 1500, do you still recommend changing this?

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  7. I’ve stopped using BLU-RAYs completely. There is an unfathomable loooong unskippable advertisement for blu-ray on every blu-ray I rent. What the is the point of this thing? It would like my timex watch telling me its a timex for a while every time I try telling the time on it. Then there are also unskippable trailers (you can fast forward, but it stops on each new trailer).

    After piracy of music became a huge issue on the net due to price and convenience, iTunes flipped the model to those wanting just convenience, it still works for the other media it sells. Blu-Ray actually goes out of its way to make the experience *worse* than anything that came before it.

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    1. The unskippable ads and trailers are the main reason I started ripping movies. I can’t believe the Blu-ray folks have developed such an unfriendly format. Even worse, the Java VM on some discs won’t let you resume playback from the last spot. Stupid.

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    2. Agreed. I dumped my bluray player after the same adv bombardment of bluray screen flashes and endless trailers. Netflix streaming (720p) and Apple HD (who knows) are good enough on my 73′ Mitsubishi 1080p for the time being until someone can crack players to skip the trailers and bluray display splash. Almost makes me want to explore 1080p torrents.

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    3. You can overcome this (at a price) using a Blu-Ray drive in a HTPC. Using PowerDVD HD Ultra and AnyDVD HD (from Slysoft) you can do just about anything you like with a Blu-Ray disc. Strip the copy protection (which allows simultaneous connection to multiple displays), take off region coding, skip the ads, rip it to hard drive, anything. A Blu-Ray drive costs about $100 and those two bits of software cost about $100 each so it does mean $300 in total, but if you put that inside a strong HTPC you’ve got a great BD player you can do anything you want with. I also added an ATI 5750 graphics card which allows HD audio (e.g. DTS Master) to pass to my AVR too.

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  8. I’ve got more than 200 children’s DVDs and frankly I’m tickled pink that I’ve gotten them (and me) out of jockeying discs all around the house by converting them all with Handbrake (and MetaX to fill the cover art, etc.) When done “right” (not the default settings… something higher than the AppleTV default ,say a double pass at 1500 bps) the quality with Handbrake is pretty decent. The AppleTVs in the house have replaced my DVD players almost entirely and I don’t have discs getting scratched. My 4 year old can queue up what he wants when he’s allowed his TV time and I’m not rushing through the house for the five DVD binders that hold our collection.

    You are right, the iTunes HD for Pixar is great. Check out “Up” it includes iTunes Extra content which fills in some of the gaps (especially the great Pixar bonus features, etc.)

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    1. Most of my kids movies and DVDs have been ripped and stored on the network. My 4 year old can drive XBMC just fine, so this is on all of the PCs and laptops in the house no matter what OS, and I have 2 chipped old XBoxes under the TV’s.
      Brilliant for Standard Definition as even rips that work on my iPhone look better than analog broadcast TV.
      The problem will be when we move to HD, I’m sure it will all start looking a little Low-Rent 8). I’m prepared to buy some big disks and RIP BluRay so I can use it the same way. Maybe convert down some copies to pay on the old TVs too 8) Main reason for ripping is taking BR movies on the road, and my Macbook wont play them.

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  9. For me it depends on the content. A lot of children’s stuff I’ll happily put on from the NetFlix live streaming and live with stereo (or even mono) sound and occasional pixelization. The kids don’t care and I’m often only half-watching anyway.

    However, for movies like We Were Soldiers or other intense audio-visual experiences, I don’t think the bitrate in the iTunes HD can come close in either video or audio. A slow pan is one thing, but running through a jungle is another, and I never want to be pulled out of the action to notice deficiencies in the medium.

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  10. Christopher Tawes Friday, February 19, 2010

    Thanks for a well reasoned article. Very few people have brought up bandwidth when discussing why iTunes HD films are not “True HD” at 720p. Blu Ray has a capacity of something like 25gb/disc, theoretically, that can be used for video encoding and multiple compressed/uncompressed audio tracks. Can you imagine how many people would flame the iTunes reviews when it took them two weeks to download a film in the 25gb range? It is an angle that is rarely discussed.

    The comment about why Jobs considers blu ray to be a “big bag of hurt” is humorous yet still partly correct. Apple makes the AppleTV to sell iTunes content (the reverse business model of the ipod: they sell iTunes content to sell iPods). Apple, like all publicly traded electronics and media companies, is in business to make money for itself and its shareholders. Of course they want you to buy their product and procure your content from them. They do, however, have a design and user interface philosophy that stresses simplicity and convenience. Optical media does not fit into that design and ui philosophy (“It has no floppy drive!). Look at the iPod: ten years ago I could take my portable cd player and a handful of CDs on a drive or a flight (or a walk for that matter) and I was limited to the number tracks I was physically capable of carrying. Despite the uncompressed nature of the music on the cd itself, I was still listening to my music through headphones. Now with the advent of the ipod I can carry thousands of songs with me, hundreds of albums, and have the same listening experience. The AppleTV, the iPod Touch (and all video ipods for that matter), and the soon to be released iPad are a similar extension of that philosophy.

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  11. Well, the problem with digital downloads, for me, are the following:

    1) No option for sub-titles
    2) No special features
    3) Usually stuck in a particular method of viewing the content.
    4) I actually sometimes use the BD-live stuff they offer on blu-rays. For example, the main reason why I got blur-ray recently was to watch the Lost University stuff they had on the Lost: Season 5 blu-ray discs.

    It just seems, to me, blu-ray discs still offer more value than digital downloads.

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    1. Rex, you make some good arguments. In the interest of clarifying for all our readers I wanted to point out that a small number of movies on iTunes are closed-captioned and some have iTunes Extras.

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  12. My major (MAJOR) hesitation on the iTunes movie download (be it SD or HD content) front is the same hesitation that prevented me from buying music from iTunes until recently: I am limited to the mediums Apple prescribes (iPod/iPhone, Mac, Apple TV). I routinely will get together with a bunch of friends for movie nights and given my collection of 300+ DVDs and BDs I’m usually the content provider. If all of my media is locked into my Apple TV or MacBook it suddenly becomes much more inconvenient (granted not impossible) to bring a movie to a friends place. Until I can throw a copy on a flash drive or burn it to a DVD (or a BD! I’m talking to you Steve) to take with me, I’m just not inclined to dive in full tilt.

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    1. Twitch, couldn’t the same be said for blu-ray? I’m betting many of your friends don’t have a blu-ray player so you are locked into that content!

      You can always use an iPod and a player or bring your AppleTV (it is only a little bigger than a dvd case anyway and much more portable than a DVD player). The bottom line is that if more people had AppleTV units it would be less of a problem. Also see my other post about long term sharing with a select number of friends and family.

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    2. Equally that can be said if more people had blu-ray players!

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  13. I’ve been on this bandwagon for some time now and have even gone as far as to say that HD digital downloads will kill Blu-ray. With people holding off on buying Blu-ray because standard DVD’s are “good enough” the iTunes HD experience is a no brainer (if Apple could ship more AppleTV’s).

    But then for me the value equation is much different. Blu-ray movies (or even DVD’s) with digital copies are normally about $5-$10 more expensive than comparable iTunes content. Now, it’s true that there have been more loss leader deals for Blu-ray over the past few months but on the whole, new releases are cheaper on iTunes (no tax no shipping).

    But that is only half the equation, and this is the beauty of FairPlay DRM. If you buy into the Apple ecosystem it gets much cheaper. You see I have and AppleTV, My parents have an AppleTV, my brother has an AppleTV and my Mother in-law is thinking about getting one. FairPlay allows up to 5 computers (not your computers, not in one house, just 5) to access purchased media and an UNLIMITED number of AppleTV’s, iPods, iPhones, and soon to be iPads connected to one of those computers to have access to that data.

    So I purchase an HD movie for $15-$20 and I have it on my theater and all of my mobile devices and one computer, My parents have it, my brother has it and soon my mother in law will have it too. Doing the math with our mobile devices that is a total of 18 legal copies of that movie for less than $20.

    Now I doubt most people will push it as far as I have but iPods, and iPhones are very common and if you have even one parent, sibling, or friend that you can share with it all starts to make a lot more sense.

    Note: For the past 9 months all TV content I have watched has been purchased from the iTMS and I love it. If Apple can get the networks to drop their prices to $1 SD and $1.50 HD there will be many more like me who drop traditional Cable. IMHO

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  14. I find the quality of the HD movies far inferior than even downloads from the internet. Right now it’s too low quality when compared to a BD movie for me. If they improved the video/audio quality then I would jump in.

    Another thing that keeps me away from buying movies on iTunes is being locked down by the DRM. I like using Plex to watch my media and with iTunes movies I can’t.

    It’s all about having options for me and iTunes movies are still not there in this respect.

    I have an Apple TV that’s long retired for being the most useless device I ever bought.

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  15. People pirate product as a result of the difficulty involved in getting what they want legally. It appears studios and hardware manufacturers feel bluray splash screens and endless trailers are what people want. Anyone agree with that?

    I would argue they are deliberately nudging lost customers into illegal acquisition of 1080p content. Penny wise…pound foolish.

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  16. I have owned my appletv for two years and replaced cable tv with it. I use it every day and love it. I think the main reason Apple keeps calling it a hobby is because many of the users burn their dvd’s which isn’t legal in the US. Content providers would get pretty ticked if they knew that they couldn’t charge you (yet again) to watch “xyz flick 5: Seriously We’re Done This Time.”

    As far as video quality goes, I find that it varies widely with movies. I rented “Lovely and Amazing” for .99 and it looked like some bootlegged digicam movie. I rent Alien 4 ($2.99/HD) and it’s way better than any dvd I’ve watched (physical or ripped). I wonder if each studio is responsible for the actual files played, or if Apple converts them.

    Oh, and I live in BFE Tennessee and I know of 3 people who have and use Appletv’s besides myself. If pricing and internet speeds get better, Apple could have a sleeper on their hands.

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  17. I saw a clip of the Hubble Telescope in HD on Apple TV – even my wife was like WOW! It looked simply amazing, I can’t imagine what that would look like in 1080! / Blueray if it looked that amazing as a HD on Apple TV. More HD surround sounds is the way forward with apple tv, in fact a new apple tv would be good too!

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  18. Being a graphic artist I’m still impressed by the quality put into producing CD inserts and yet I still buy most of my music through iTunes.

    Because Blu-rays are set to get bigger which could mean lossless audio and video, even with fiber I don’t think people will get used to the idea of downloading 50GB+ of data. And what about sharing? I constantly borrow out Blu-ray movies to friends so what happens when everything’s digital?

    I’m sure there’ll be some sort of DRM preventing me from sharing it or at least limiting the amount of times I can transfer the content and/or share it.

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  19. [...] Some of the Pixar movies make great reference material to show off your home theater and I focused on these titles to compare the difference between iTunes SD & HD, DVD, Handbrake encodes, and Blu-ray. … Equipment Used: I compared the files using an Apple TV (3.0) and a Pioneer BDP-51FD connected to a calibrated 57″ Sony KP-57HW40 with a Denon surround receiver with 5.1 speakers (Infinity L+R powered full-range towers, 3-way center, bookshelf surrounds + SVS 20-39PC …This Post [...]

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  20. I world LOVE to switch to digital downloads completely but the developments are moving too slowly. The price in particular is a turn off, the quality is less of an issue to me as even though I have a 42″ flatscreen most of the content I watch is still SD (although they already do 1080p trailers, so the infrastructure is in place), my biggest gripe is the DRM. I think Apple have already proven that DRM is bad for business and yet here it is. I bought three episodes of Law & Order but could play them through the vastly superior Plex App.

    Perfect situation – I buy the latest episode of Lost for $1.99 in 1080p HD 5.1, that I can transfer to my media center (or even stream directly). I don’t think that’s too much to ask.

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  21. My issues are the lack of HD selection on iTunes and price. I love the convenience and I’m willing to fork out $19.99 for Star Trek, for instance, but I need to LOVE the movie for that to happen. As for television shows at $1.99 a pop- yeah, right.

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  22. I mainly rent movies if I use the itunes store. $1.99 per episode is definitely crazy talk. Season Passes are fairly reasonable especially old shows. CBS will supposedly be offering .99 eps of some of their shows soon. That’s a little better, but I’d be more impressed if that price included HD as well.

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    1. Is it really crazy? I mean ya, it is high but crazy?

      9 months and counting iTunes only for all my TV, and you would be amazed how much content you can purchase with the $90/month you are probably spending now.

      Sure, you can do the math and say that is only 45 shows but you would be wrong. Some seasons were less than $20 for a 24 episode season pass. Some older shows actually got down to closer to $10 for a 24 episode season pass.

      Also, itunes gift cards are often discounted so I’ll purchase $100 worth of iTunes cards for $80 again increasing my purchasing power. And remember that these are purchased not rented like your cable bill. I have a TB of re-runs already.

      So, I’ll welcome $.99 shows or better yet standard $14.99 season passes if they show up, but is the current pricing crazy? hmmmmm.

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  23. that’s all nice…and I appreciate this article…because it made me pause my AppleTV for once and actually read all of the comments instead of skimming them and watching AppleTV…

    but I believe that as fast as content changes and the medium changes I don’t feel that I will ever have a BluRay Player…because they are expensive and the disks are crazy expensive…very rarely do I ever need to see something in FULL HD…yes it’s nice…but I am quite happy with the content of the movie/TV show…that I am not concerned as much with the HDness of the video

    the day is coming soon where CD’s will be replaced with SD cards or Flash Drives and same for DVD’s/HD content…we are in the digital age people and you can hold on to antiquated technologies or you can go with the flow…

    I choose to go with the flow…I have enough crap in my life/house that I really don’t need something else to manage…(ie…disks, cases, more remotes…crap)

    true there is differences in all of the types of media we have in our lives…and people will settle for what they will settle for and that is the beauty of living in a free country…USA…and the many others in the world…but we will one day look back and say…BluRay…what a waste of time and money…because that is what we all say about Cassette tapes, VHS tapes, 8 tracks, Hi-8 video, DV camcorders now and more…

    I can’t believe that I used to have boxes full of cassettes and that I actually used to fast forward and rewind them over and over again…just blows my mind…so believe it will get better…as the networks get better as the tech becomes more digital and that quality of digital gets mind blowing

    just my 2¢

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  24. I am quite happy recording all my favorite tv shows off the air (eyetv) and getting better quality without paying iTunes, not that I wouldn’t pay, just the fact that I get better quality over the air. As far as movies, I buy BDs and rip (no re-encoding, just copy the m2ts) them right away to my server and keep the BD as my backup. I am very grateful to the Plex team as they have made it possible to enjoy my digital media.

    As far as audio quality, any format available to download (legally) is not good enough for me, I really enjoy music. I buy LPs and rip them at 24bit 192hz, even if I rip them at 16bit 48hz for my iPhone, I still get much better quality than anything else available including CDs. I only wish that my iPhone had better DACs and would support 24/192.

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  25. It doesn’t matter what the quality is like, if it has DRM I’m not paying money. Even less likely if I can rip my own copies and use them anywhere. I might consider rentals, but not at price higher than a new release rental from my local video store.

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    1. Why hate on DRM and what is your option?

      BluRay is locked down too! and as for it being an “open format” tell that to the people who purchased HD DVD. Digital downloads WILL kill bluray, the only question is how long will it take. If Apple starts to really succeed (and it is succeeding already) we will see other big players step in (Hulu was and example of that) and once Sony and Microsoft get serious about this market bluray will die!!

      But you will have those beautiful disks that your grandkids will look at and ask you… Grandpa? what are these? are they like those old CD’s you use to purchase and play them by scratching a needle across them.

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  26. I (and the kids) love the AppleTV for the convenience it offers: photos, music and movies, all accessible from one user-friendly device.

    My movies, however, are mostly ripped DVDs or recorded cable TV programmes, stored on an external HDD connected to a hacked AppleTV.

    The problems with iTunes movies (and online movie rentals in general):
    - they are only available in few countries (not where I live);
    - even heavily compressed, they are large and slow to download on anything but the fastest Internet connection;
    - they are too large to be all stored on AppleTV’s tiny hdd, and may be a challenge for a home wireless network’s bandwith.

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  27. I occasionally download music from iTunes. I’m at the age I don’t need a lot more music than what I have and I continue to buy 10-15 CDs a year which get ripped into iTunes.

    I haven’t downloaded video from iTunes. I don’t have an Apple TV and frankly, don’t see the value. I use Plex for viewing my content and Netflix for streaming movies. I use a PS3 for viewing BD, but I only buy 1-2 BDs a month. It is a matter of quality content being on the format. Viewing Criterion content is different than seeing a season of Airwolf on BD.

    I think the article’s question comes down to the argument as to whether downloaded ‘HD’ content is good enough for most people. I’m not yet sold that downloaded files will replace BD’s image and sound quality. Will those HD downloads find the sweet spot between file size and image/sound quality? I suspect most people will say yes, but most people aren’t downloading HD video yet. I also suspect bandwidth providers will have some say into that question as well.

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  28. I’ve only purchased one album on iTunes, and it was because it had additional, iTunes-only content. Beyond that, I just wait a while and buy the used CD for 75¢ + shipping. If I *really* like something, I may be persuaded to go as high as $3.00 or even $4.00 + shipping, but that’s pushing it.

    But for individual songs, iTunes is the way to go. It’s usually the same price as Amazon, and iTunes MP4/AACs can be edited on the fly (unlike Amazon’s MP3s, which sputter and skip when you tweak them).

    My 2¢.

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  29. One aspect of iTunes movie downloads that hasn’t been mentioned in any of these posts yet is the logistical challenge of storing all these files. Unless I am mistaken, I can’t delete and redownload movies I’ve bought from iTunes. Therefore, even if I back-up my movies to an external hard drive, or use a RAID or Drobo type solution, if some freak hardware crash or virus hits my library hard, I could lose all my purchases.

    Now a I guess a freak accident could hit your blu-ray library at home as well. Yet fortunately, since each movie is on a seperate disc, I feel each blue-ray movie’s durability and survivability is interdependent from each other.

    Amazon’s Video Store has a UI and selection vastly inferior to iTunes but interestingly they have an option to buy some movies and stream them from Amazon’s servers instead of downloading the movie. Therefore, the movie is available to from any browser or any Amazon-compatible device (Roku)

    I just worry that despite prudent back-up habits building a digital movie library from iTunes has more risks compared to building a Blu-ray library.

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    1. no one has mentioned space on portable devices. no one!!!!! blue ray has a slight edge over itunes hd. but takes up waaaaaaaay more space!!!! how many blue ray movies can you take with you??????? everything is headed towards streaming anyway!!!!

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  30. I use a HTPC with BD installed and regularly use many sources – DVD, BD, Netflix, iTunes, Amazon, Hulu. BD clearly wins on quality (the only source which delivers 1080p and HD audio) but I have to admit, it’s such a hassle I rarely use it. Either add a BD disc to my Netflix queue and wait a couple of days, or pay too much to rent / buy the disc from the local store. With so much available online, I often find myself impulse-renting / buying HD (720p) content online instead. (I don’t have much use for DVD myself any more but the kids use it all the time). I currently have a 720p projector so BD makes little difference over online downloads for me in terms of picture quality (until I push the button on the upgrade), but BD does have the edge with sound quality, for sure. DTS Master is very nice.

    But here’s my major bugbear right now with iTunes movies – when I can pass DTS Master to my AVR from my BD drive, why can’t I manage anything more than Stereo from iTunes on my HTPC? Why won’t Dolby Digital 5.1 pass from iTunes to the AVR? Has anyone else managed that on a PC? It seems odd if this is a deliberate ploy by Apple to get me to buy Apple TV, when on the other hand they don’t seem to me making any effort to market Apple TV at all. What gives?

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  31. ill never do downloaded content over physical release. until you can get the full 20-30 gb movie file in like a minute and have a place to store all of that? not gonna happen. its worth the trouble to get a full quality movie.

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  32. Brandon Neubert Friday, April 16, 2010

    I Love iTunes HD. But the problem is with iTunes, not all new releases are released in HD. Look at the recent film “Blindside”. It is NOT available on iTunes in HD, but it IS available on Blu-Ray. There is some sub-text that says “available in HD on iPad and Apple TV, but who knows what that means? I watch movies on my iMac all the time, and I would really like the HD version all the time.

    But I guess that can’t be helped, seeing as Blu-Ray can’t be played on iMac anyway.

    I guess my main point, is that if all movies were released on iTunes in their 720p iTunes format, I’d go completely iTunes. Forget Blu-Ray. But until HD is offered every time, forget it.

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  33. I think Apple undermines how the media center PCs are being used with Apple TV. For example when playing music Apple TV assumes that while listening all you want to do is to sit back and stare the album art or visualizer playing on TV. I want to browse Internet sites while listening to music.

    iTunes on Mac or PC could be good for HD video watching, but iTunes is not optimized to be viewed from any distance over a meter or so. The iTunes store font size is just too small.

    So I do not think the user experience is yet there for the full package. I think this article says it well: http://mymediaexperience.com/apple-has-missed-opportunity-with-itunes/

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  34. Great article. I’m def not tech saavy but it was enough put in leiman’s terms for a technological ignoramus such as myself. Apparently someone else felt the same and decided to plagiarize your blog. Here’s the link: http://www.mp4converter.net/blog/other-cool-gadgets/can-itunes-hd-replace-blu-ray

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  35. Considering a growing number of archivists report that digital files fade away faster that analog audio tape, you might be stuck with a lot of nothing in 20 years time.

    I prefer to invest my money in something that stands an outside chance of sticking around for my lifetime.

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    1. You obviously have not thought this through. If your local copy of a file has been corrupted you can just redownload the file.
      If you physical copy of something e.g. a CD, is broken you need to buy a new one.

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      1. Apple will not allow you to redownload a movie you purchased over iTunes, as far as I know.

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