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		<title>By: As MOG Goes Mobile, the U.S. Waits (and Waits) for Spotify &#8211; GigaOM</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/11/24/will-spotify-turn-out-like-joost/#comment-231494</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[As MOG Goes Mobile, the U.S. Waits (and Waits) for Spotify &#8211; GigaOM]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 18:20:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;[...] allow a sustainable free version. Running afoul of content owners and squandering a head start can really bring a company down, and in Spotify&#8217;s case, doing so has given other innovators an opportunity to sign up paying [...]&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] allow a sustainable free version. Running afoul of content owners and squandering a head start can really bring a company down, and in Spotify&#8217;s case, doing so has given other innovators an opportunity to sign up paying [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Confidence in Free Streaming Models Is Fading &#8212; Fast &#8211; GigaOM</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/11/24/will-spotify-turn-out-like-joost/#comment-231493</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Confidence in Free Streaming Models Is Fading &#8212; Fast &#8211; GigaOM]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 05:01:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;[...] Spotify&#8217;s model is sustainable in some territories, but Bronfman&#8217;s quote sounds like a vote of no confidence that the same thing will happen in the States, from someone who can effectively stop a launch [...]&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Spotify&#8217;s model is sustainable in some territories, but Bronfman&#8217;s quote sounds like a vote of no confidence that the same thing will happen in the States, from someone who can effectively stop a launch [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Still Quiet Before Launch, Rdio Introduces iPhone App &#8211; GigaOM</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/11/24/will-spotify-turn-out-like-joost/#comment-231492</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Still Quiet Before Launch, Rdio Introduces iPhone App &#8211; GigaOM]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 19:09:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;[...] paid version that includes a mobile component, but while its app has been approved, Spotify has delayed its launch in the U.S. And MOG is expected to add a mobile app during the first quarter of 2010, which will [...]&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] paid version that includes a mobile component, but while its app has been approved, Spotify has delayed its launch in the U.S. And MOG is expected to add a mobile app during the first quarter of 2010, which will [...]</p>
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		<title>By: How Hot is Spotify? &#8211; GigaOM</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/11/24/will-spotify-turn-out-like-joost/#comment-231491</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[How Hot is Spotify? &#8211; GigaOM]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 06:46:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;[...] labels himself as Spotify&#8217;s consigliere. The early buzz is one of the reasons why there have been comparisons with Joost, the failed online video venture started by co-founders of Skype and spearheaded by former Cisco [...]&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] labels himself as Spotify&#8217;s consigliere. The early buzz is one of the reasons why there have been comparisons with Joost, the failed online video venture started by co-founders of Skype and spearheaded by former Cisco [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Spotify Names New CTO &#8211; GigaOM</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/11/24/will-spotify-turn-out-like-joost/#comment-231490</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Spotify Names New CTO &#8211; GigaOM]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 18:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;[...] the U.S. sometime in late 2009, but recently pushed the launch back to 2010 as content owners have stalled licensing deals for their music catalogs. The service is currently available in Sweden, Norway, [...]&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the U.S. sometime in late 2009, but recently pushed the launch back to 2010 as content owners have stalled licensing deals for their music catalogs. The service is currently available in Sweden, Norway, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jordi Vallejo</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/11/24/will-spotify-turn-out-like-joost/#comment-231489</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jordi Vallejo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 11:44:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;Very weak Joost-Spotify comparison on this article. I was a very early user of Joost and also Spotifys. I continue using Spotify everyday because it gives me the best and more flexible streaming content available right now, I started not to use Joost long ago because the lack of content just made it not appealing anymore to turn it on or visit the site. Beside technical considerations and ease of use on SoftUI/SiteAccess, for me still the most important for an IP service is to give the best solution to a particular customer&#039;s need, Joost did not, Spotify does.&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very weak Joost-Spotify comparison on this article. I was a very early user of Joost and also Spotifys. I continue using Spotify everyday because it gives me the best and more flexible streaming content available right now, I started not to use Joost long ago because the lack of content just made it not appealing anymore to turn it on or visit the site. Beside technical considerations and ease of use on SoftUI/SiteAccess, for me still the most important for an IP service is to give the best solution to a particular customer&#8217;s need, Joost did not, Spotify does.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Bonanos</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/11/24/will-spotify-turn-out-like-joost/#comment-231488</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul Bonanos]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 00:02:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;Thanks to everyone for chiming in.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I didn&#039;t mean to say, nor did I say, that Spotify and Joost are just like one another. I agree that Spotify&#039;s product is excellent, and that its content library is very strong -- at least in the geographies where it&#039;s working already. But until it does secure a content library in the U.S. music market, everything else -- price point(s), free component, advertising frequency, mobile extensions -- remains in question. The product and experience we get in the U.S. may not be that compelling after all, compared to what many of you are enjoying in Europe already as well as other options in the U.S. And if it isn&#039;t as interesting, consumers will go with something else. On both sides of the Atlantic, there is plenty of room for another company to win in the all-important mobile arena, which is a huge part of Spotify&#039;s revenue strategy as well.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;As a music fan, of course, I wish Spotify the best of luck, and I can&#039;t wait to see what the company delivers in the U.S. I hope it&#039;s a great product that I use every day.&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks to everyone for chiming in.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t mean to say, nor did I say, that Spotify and Joost are just like one another. I agree that Spotify&#8217;s product is excellent, and that its content library is very strong &#8212; at least in the geographies where it&#8217;s working already. But until it does secure a content library in the U.S. music market, everything else &#8212; price point(s), free component, advertising frequency, mobile extensions &#8212; remains in question. The product and experience we get in the U.S. may not be that compelling after all, compared to what many of you are enjoying in Europe already as well as other options in the U.S. And if it isn&#8217;t as interesting, consumers will go with something else. On both sides of the Atlantic, there is plenty of room for another company to win in the all-important mobile arena, which is a huge part of Spotify&#8217;s revenue strategy as well.</p>
<p>As a music fan, of course, I wish Spotify the best of luck, and I can&#8217;t wait to see what the company delivers in the U.S. I hope it&#8217;s a great product that I use every day.</p>
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		<title>By: Zoë Gholson</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/11/24/will-spotify-turn-out-like-joost/#comment-231487</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zoë Gholson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 22:24:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;MOG for mobile is in development and will be launched at the end of 2009 or beginning of 2010.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Most modern computer equipment and modern broadband connections see no noticeable hit in performance using MOG and MOG&#039;s flash-based player.  MOG has a desktop app following the web release, for those that want a browser-less, desktop application experience.&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MOG for mobile is in development and will be launched at the end of 2009 or beginning of 2010.</p>
<p>Most modern computer equipment and modern broadband connections see no noticeable hit in performance using MOG and MOG&#8217;s flash-based player.  MOG has a desktop app following the web release, for those that want a browser-less, desktop application experience.</p>
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		<title>By: Nicolas</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/11/24/will-spotify-turn-out-like-joost/#comment-231486</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nicolas]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 21:57:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;I think one of the key aspect of Spotify is the mobile applications.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;You pay for the premium version, then you can have offline access to songs (as much as 3333), and also, you can then use  the mobile application (for Android, S60, iPhone).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;As the mobiles applications have an offline mode, you can even use the mobile application to listen to your chosen music when there is no network connection available. If you&#039;re online you can also stream music.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In my opinion, this really good mix of the online mode and offline mode is a key point in the Spotify experience.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Furthermore, the fact it&#039;s not a browser based service is a plus point as the other flash based services are computer resources hogs.&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think one of the key aspect of Spotify is the mobile applications.</p>
<p>You pay for the premium version, then you can have offline access to songs (as much as 3333), and also, you can then use  the mobile application (for Android, S60, iPhone).</p>
<p>As the mobiles applications have an offline mode, you can even use the mobile application to listen to your chosen music when there is no network connection available. If you&#8217;re online you can also stream music.</p>
<p>In my opinion, this really good mix of the online mode and offline mode is a key point in the Spotify experience.</p>
<p>Furthermore, the fact it&#8217;s not a browser based service is a plus point as the other flash based services are computer resources hogs.</p>
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		<title>By: Zoë Gholson</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/11/24/will-spotify-turn-out-like-joost/#comment-231485</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zoë Gholson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 20:58:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;MOG&#039;s on-demand music subscription service, created by music fans and launching next week on December 2nd, will provide unlimited on-demand streaming music with easy search capability, awesome user experience, an optional &quot;similar artists&quot; radio function, and innovative discovery tools.  We boast high quality streams and a comprehensive music library too.  No software to download, and no ads in our browser-based player. And for $5/month, we keep it cheap but retain licensing from the majors.&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MOG&#8217;s on-demand music subscription service, created by music fans and launching next week on December 2nd, will provide unlimited on-demand streaming music with easy search capability, awesome user experience, an optional &#8220;similar artists&#8221; radio function, and innovative discovery tools.  We boast high quality streams and a comprehensive music library too.  No software to download, and no ads in our browser-based player. And for $5/month, we keep it cheap but retain licensing from the majors.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Puchol</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/11/24/will-spotify-turn-out-like-joost/#comment-231484</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Puchol]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 16:14:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;The labels impose draconian terms on geographic access to Spotify&#039;s music catalog. When they added IP-based location detection to their client, being based in Spain meant I could no longer access the much more extensive UK catalog with my UK (paid!!) account. Any music search turned from 30% to 80% of results marked as &quot;unavailable&quot; due to geographic restrictions.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Being browser-based or client-based doesn&#039;t make one bit of difference if a) the product is good, b) the user experience is first-class, and c) there is an immediate value perception by the user. Take as an example Skype. Being client-based hasn&#039;t stopped millions of users worldwide from installing and using it on a daily basis.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The problems with Joost regarding my abc above have been well trodden. Spotify is OK in all three counts, but it has a serious problem with content access rights being dictated by labels. This is a Damocles sword hanging over Spotify&#039;s head...&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The labels impose draconian terms on geographic access to Spotify&#8217;s music catalog. When they added IP-based location detection to their client, being based in Spain meant I could no longer access the much more extensive UK catalog with my UK (paid!!) account. Any music search turned from 30% to 80% of results marked as &#8220;unavailable&#8221; due to geographic restrictions.</p>
<p>Being browser-based or client-based doesn&#8217;t make one bit of difference if a) the product is good, b) the user experience is first-class, and c) there is an immediate value perception by the user. Take as an example Skype. Being client-based hasn&#8217;t stopped millions of users worldwide from installing and using it on a daily basis.</p>
<p>The problems with Joost regarding my abc above have been well trodden. Spotify is OK in all three counts, but it has a serious problem with content access rights being dictated by labels. This is a Damocles sword hanging over Spotify&#8217;s head&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: fdestin</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/11/24/will-spotify-turn-out-like-joost/#comment-231483</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[fdestin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 14:21:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;ooooh gimme a break.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;They have to pay minimum guaranteed fees to the labels by region and so they cannot launch worldwide in one go.  Rome was not built in a day.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;They need to (a) acquire content (b) acquire users (c) monetize to make the country profitable (d) repeat and expand.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Never free enough huh ?&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ooooh gimme a break.</p>
<p>They have to pay minimum guaranteed fees to the labels by region and so they cannot launch worldwide in one go.  Rome was not built in a day.</p>
<p>They need to (a) acquire content (b) acquire users (c) monetize to make the country profitable (d) repeat and expand.</p>
<p>Never free enough huh ?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/11/24/will-spotify-turn-out-like-joost/#comment-231482</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 14:06:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;Text from spotify&#039;s site:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;You can invite friends to Spotify Free if they live in Sweden, Norway, Finland, the UK, France or Spain.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Not much...&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Text from spotify&#8217;s site:</p>
<p>&#8220;You can invite friends to Spotify Free if they live in Sweden, Norway, Finland, the UK, France or Spain.&#8221;</p>
<p>Not much&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: nomad</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/11/24/will-spotify-turn-out-like-joost/#comment-231481</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[nomad]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 14:02:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;Thing is, spotify doesn&#039;t make music free. It&#039;s not available in many European countries. A fee of 10 EUR is required for others.&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thing is, spotify doesn&#8217;t make music free. It&#8217;s not available in many European countries. A fee of 10 EUR is required for others.</p>
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		<title>By: Hans</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/11/24/will-spotify-turn-out-like-joost/#comment-231480</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hans]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 12:05:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;That was a bad comparison. Joost was shit from the beginning, and Spotify was excellent from the beginning. Spotify still has to prove their model. But if they fail, then piracy will be back and the whole record, music and artist industry will fail. And that is really bad. I keep my fingers crossed for Spotify, it is a great product.&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That was a bad comparison. Joost was shit from the beginning, and Spotify was excellent from the beginning. Spotify still has to prove their model. But if they fail, then piracy will be back and the whole record, music and artist industry will fail. And that is really bad. I keep my fingers crossed for Spotify, it is a great product.</p>
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		<title>By: Fred Destin</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/11/24/will-spotify-turn-out-like-joost/#comment-231479</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Fred Destin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 11:51:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;Comparison is off.&lt;/p&gt;

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&lt;li&gt;&lt;p&gt;Joost in its distributed version was a terrible experience for the users.  And the content was not there.  Spotify has a great user experience and content to boot.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;p&gt;Spotify innovates by making music free, whilst getting the labels on side.  They will not suffer the fate of imeem.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;p&gt;The real issue is not whether Spotify will be succesful, but how succesful.  The stakes are very high for a company that needs to be worth $1bn to provide a decent return for its backers, and this is how it should be measured.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ol&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Are the labels going to let a thousand flowers bloom or will they deal with a few select partners ?  What are the real barriers to entry in this field ?  Signing the labels used to be one, but that is less and less the case.  Paying the MG&#039;s used to be one (a dumb one to overcome), but that is less and less relevant.  Spotify may see a 4-5 serious competitors emerge (Radio, Deezer, We7 to name but a few) who all peddle the same catalog.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I believe Spotify remains the yardstick of excellence for now as a consumer facing music offering.  But lack of barriers to entry and an overdue embrace of digital streaming services by the majors may make it tough to achieve that multi-billion $ exit.&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Comparison is off.</p>
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<p>Joost in its distributed version was a terrible experience for the users.  And the content was not there.  Spotify has a great user experience and content to boot.</p>
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<p>Spotify innovates by making music free, whilst getting the labels on side.  They will not suffer the fate of imeem.</p>
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<p>The real issue is not whether Spotify will be succesful, but how succesful.  The stakes are very high for a company that needs to be worth $1bn to provide a decent return for its backers, and this is how it should be measured.</p>
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<p>Are the labels going to let a thousand flowers bloom or will they deal with a few select partners ?  What are the real barriers to entry in this field ?  Signing the labels used to be one, but that is less and less the case.  Paying the MG&#8217;s used to be one (a dumb one to overcome), but that is less and less relevant.  Spotify may see a 4-5 serious competitors emerge (Radio, Deezer, We7 to name but a few) who all peddle the same catalog.</p>
<p>I believe Spotify remains the yardstick of excellence for now as a consumer facing music offering.  But lack of barriers to entry and an overdue embrace of digital streaming services by the majors may make it tough to achieve that multi-billion $ exit.</p>
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