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		<title>By: 10 Signs Your Next Car Won&#8217;t Be Electric</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[10 Signs Your Next Car Won&#8217;t Be Electric]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 08:02:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;[...] vehicle. All-electric vehicles may lack an exhaust belching tailpipe, but they&#8217;re only as green as the source of their electricity. If you&#8217;re waiting for an electric vehicle that can plug into a zero- or low-emission grid [...]&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] vehicle. All-electric vehicles may lack an exhaust belching tailpipe, but they&#8217;re only as green as the source of their electricity. If you&#8217;re waiting for an electric vehicle that can plug into a zero- or low-emission grid [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Robert (Electricman) Weekley</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/11/12/surprise-electric-cars-not-actually-zero-emission/#comment-28323</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert (Electricman) Weekley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 05:44:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;Well, here is what it seems to come down to - The Best Money (Largest amount) buys the best (for i&#039;t own interests) data and reports!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;However - the biggest issues aren&#039;t even simply &#039;Global Warming&#039; but rather - a lack of &#039;Global Warning&#039; about the basic polution levels - smog, particulates, and the like, suggest a multi pronged attack is required - Work Factories at night - when the general residential and office loads are lighter, Live Closer to work and drive an electric Scooter to work instead of that Car or electric Car, and use electric cars when we go shopping, instead of honking SUV&#039;s.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Second - Start Putting Solar Panels on our Appartment Roofs, Home Roofs, and even - Gas Station Canopy&#039;s, and Factory Roofs, to generate the power that is needed in the peak of the day, and More Local Wind turbines and small generators for Cities, Homes, farms, and Factories.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Third, Begin to use more Run of the River Hydro Power - Instead of making large dams, so you can put up smaller, local power producers nearer to end users to reduce line losses.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;And Maybe even - Turn off our Televisions, with power bars, or unplug them when not in use - or even - use them less, and our PC&#039;s Too! My PC - in a 24 hour run time - uses about the same amound of power as my Electric Car does to charge it up! Sometimes - the little things - are the culprit, because we overlook them!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;My PC - about 180 Watts on idle - about 280 watts in use - Split that into say 16 hours on idle and 8 hours on use = 5,120 Watt Hours (5 kWh) = more than my EV Usually takes to charge it up! My car uses between 140 - 200 Watt hours per Km to drive - and that means one day of PC use = about 25 - 35 Kms of driving in my EV! http://www.myelectricfly.com - and check out the blog there.&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, here is what it seems to come down to &#8211; The Best Money (Largest amount) buys the best (for i&#8217;t own interests) data and reports!</p>
<p>However &#8211; the biggest issues aren&#8217;t even simply &#8216;Global Warming&#8217; but rather &#8211; a lack of &#8216;Global Warning&#8217; about the basic polution levels &#8211; smog, particulates, and the like, suggest a multi pronged attack is required &#8211; Work Factories at night &#8211; when the general residential and office loads are lighter, Live Closer to work and drive an electric Scooter to work instead of that Car or electric Car, and use electric cars when we go shopping, instead of honking SUV&#8217;s.</p>
<p>Second &#8211; Start Putting Solar Panels on our Appartment Roofs, Home Roofs, and even &#8211; Gas Station Canopy&#8217;s, and Factory Roofs, to generate the power that is needed in the peak of the day, and More Local Wind turbines and small generators for Cities, Homes, farms, and Factories.</p>
<p>Third, Begin to use more Run of the River Hydro Power &#8211; Instead of making large dams, so you can put up smaller, local power producers nearer to end users to reduce line losses.</p>
<p>And Maybe even &#8211; Turn off our Televisions, with power bars, or unplug them when not in use &#8211; or even &#8211; use them less, and our PC&#8217;s Too! My PC &#8211; in a 24 hour run time &#8211; uses about the same amound of power as my Electric Car does to charge it up! Sometimes &#8211; the little things &#8211; are the culprit, because we overlook them!</p>
<p>My PC &#8211; about 180 Watts on idle &#8211; about 280 watts in use &#8211; Split that into say 16 hours on idle and 8 hours on use = 5,120 Watt Hours (5 kWh) = more than my EV Usually takes to charge it up! My car uses between 140 &#8211; 200 Watt hours per Km to drive &#8211; and that means one day of PC use = about 25 &#8211; 35 Kms of driving in my EV! <a href="http://www.myelectricfly.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.myelectricfly.com</a> &#8211; and check out the blog there.</p>
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		<title>By: peter dublin</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/11/12/surprise-electric-cars-not-actually-zero-emission/#comment-28322</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[peter dublin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 15:52:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;Re electric cars to lower emissions,&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;one should not forget the other way to deal with emission reduction:
Carbon capture and storage on gasolene fuelled cars,
as for example developed at Georgia Tech
http://www.ceolas.net/#cc25x&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Emission taxation on cars (as in Europe) is in my view better than current (USA) fuel efficiency based bans,
emission taxation is fuel neutral, and unlike bans not only ensures a continued free choice for consumers,
but it also - unlike bans - can raise considerable government income, which in turn can be used towards renewable energy or other measures that lower emissions more than the targeted decreased automobile use raises them.
Moreover, it allows for sales taxes on cars with lower emissions to be lowered, without any net loss of revenue.
.&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re electric cars to lower emissions,</p>
<p>one should not forget the other way to deal with emission reduction:<br />
Carbon capture and storage on gasolene fuelled cars,<br />
as for example developed at Georgia Tech<br />
<a href="http://www.ceolas.net/#cc25x" rel="nofollow">http://www.ceolas.net/#cc25x</a></p>
<p>Emission taxation on cars (as in Europe) is in my view better than current (USA) fuel efficiency based bans,<br />
emission taxation is fuel neutral, and unlike bans not only ensures a continued free choice for consumers,<br />
but it also &#8211; unlike bans &#8211; can raise considerable government income, which in turn can be used towards renewable energy or other measures that lower emissions more than the targeted decreased automobile use raises them.<br />
Moreover, it allows for sales taxes on cars with lower emissions to be lowered, without any net loss of revenue.<br />
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		<title>By: hsr0601</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/11/12/surprise-electric-cars-not-actually-zero-emission/#comment-28321</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[hsr0601]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 06:44:34 +0000</pubDate>
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&lt;li&gt;&lt;p&gt;The EV battery is expected to act as a catalyst to accelerate development of sustainable power, specifically as a storage for wind power at nighttime and for solar panel system via recycling. In return, this situation has a chance to  bring a solid win-win outcome -- rendering EVs affordable.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;p&gt;In many cases, power plants like a nuclear reactor maintain operation during night, and EVs could take full advantage of the surplus energy :&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ol&gt;

&lt;p&gt;With the concept of &quot;V2H&quot; (vehicle to home), the vehicle can supply 100V electricity stored in its on-board lithium-ion batteries to electric appliances in a house.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It is possible to charge the batteries at night, when electricity is cheaper, and use it for home appliances during daytime, Mitsubishi Motors said.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;And the company claims that the batteries can provide almost all the electricity used in a normal household throughout the day.&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
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<p>The EV battery is expected to act as a catalyst to accelerate development of sustainable power, specifically as a storage for wind power at nighttime and for solar panel system via recycling. In return, this situation has a chance to  bring a solid win-win outcome &#8212; rendering EVs affordable.</p>
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<p>In many cases, power plants like a nuclear reactor maintain operation during night, and EVs could take full advantage of the surplus energy :</p>
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<p>With the concept of &#8220;V2H&#8221; (vehicle to home), the vehicle can supply 100V electricity stored in its on-board lithium-ion batteries to electric appliances in a house.</p>
<p>It is possible to charge the batteries at night, when electricity is cheaper, and use it for home appliances during daytime, Mitsubishi Motors said.</p>
<p>And the company claims that the batteries can provide almost all the electricity used in a normal household throughout the day.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Scott</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/11/12/surprise-electric-cars-not-actually-zero-emission/#comment-28320</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul Scott]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 02:12:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;It&#039;s clear that we have to clean up the grid, this isn&#039;t news. And reports such as this one do nothing to advance the cause. Rather than dither over whether an EV will be clean &quot;enough&quot;, the author of this article would do us all good if he just bought the Ev and then spend his time working to clean the grid. He could start by lobbying his utility to provide a renewable energy option like many progressive utilities already to.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Besides, if these people have a problem with running an EV on dirty grid energy, then why are they content to run their homes on that same dirty energy?&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s clear that we have to clean up the grid, this isn&#8217;t news. And reports such as this one do nothing to advance the cause. Rather than dither over whether an EV will be clean &#8220;enough&#8221;, the author of this article would do us all good if he just bought the Ev and then spend his time working to clean the grid. He could start by lobbying his utility to provide a renewable energy option like many progressive utilities already to.</p>
<p>Besides, if these people have a problem with running an EV on dirty grid energy, then why are they content to run their homes on that same dirty energy?</p>
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		<title>By: Eideard</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/11/12/surprise-electric-cars-not-actually-zero-emission/#comment-28319</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eideard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 22:50:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;The appropriate term for reports like this is &quot;sophistry&quot;.&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The appropriate term for reports like this is &#8220;sophistry&#8221;.</p>
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