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		<title>By: Silicon Valley Has a Woman Problem, But Women Still Have a Baby Problem &#8211; GigaOM</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Silicon Valley Has a Woman Problem, But Women Still Have a Baby Problem &#8211; GigaOM]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 22:49:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;[...] when that navigation does require a trade-off, it&#8217;s generally still the mother that makes it. Which means that yes, once women have babies [...]&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/10/23/stat-shot-the-silicon-ceiling-in-tech/#comment-228043</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 23:59:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with you about girls being dissuaded from certain careers, have even seen this in my own family.  It isn&#039;t fair, should be stopped (but not by the courts).

Academic achievement is just a start, for most people (if not for Bill Gates and a bunch of uncredentialed, self-starting colleagues whom I admire), since working 20 hours per week for a couple of technical classes is much easier than putting in 60+ hours in a management position.  But taking the harder classes lets us mortal types build the reasoning skills that will help us advance later.  It isn&#039;t just women avoiding these classes, of course.

This probably sounds trite, but I have not noticed discrimination against the women I&#039;ve worked with in tech companies.  If they were sharp and worked hard, everyone seemed to respect them.  Some were the targets of disparaging comments, but so were guys, and people didn&#039;t try to knock down the women or underplay their abilities any more than they did the guys they feared / disliked / were jealous of.  Not that discrimination doesn&#039;t exist, but it wasn&#039;t strong where I worked.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you about girls being dissuaded from certain careers, have even seen this in my own family.  It isn&#8217;t fair, should be stopped (but not by the courts).</p>
<p>Academic achievement is just a start, for most people (if not for Bill Gates and a bunch of uncredentialed, self-starting colleagues whom I admire), since working 20 hours per week for a couple of technical classes is much easier than putting in 60+ hours in a management position.  But taking the harder classes lets us mortal types build the reasoning skills that will help us advance later.  It isn&#8217;t just women avoiding these classes, of course.</p>
<p>This probably sounds trite, but I have not noticed discrimination against the women I&#8217;ve worked with in tech companies.  If they were sharp and worked hard, everyone seemed to respect them.  Some were the targets of disparaging comments, but so were guys, and people didn&#8217;t try to knock down the women or underplay their abilities any more than they did the guys they feared / disliked / were jealous of.  Not that discrimination doesn&#8217;t exist, but it wasn&#8217;t strong where I worked.</p>
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		<title>By: Alexa</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alexa]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 08:03:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m not convinced that &#039;taking hard classes&#039; is what brings success in the tech sector: in Europe, IT tertiary studies are actually relatively easy to get into to, as there is relatively little demand.

So the &#039;women need to work hard if they want to succeed&#039; argument is fallacious. Research commissioned by Cisco shows that women and girls have the academic achivement needed to be in the tech sector.

However, girls who show preference at school level for doing further ICT studies or going into an ICT job are often dissuaded by parents, teachers and role models. There are few ICT-related role models for young girls. Parents and teachers have a distorted view of the sector, and pass this on to girls - encouraging them to choose careers in medicine, law and other fields where women are known for being successful.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not convinced that &#8216;taking hard classes&#8217; is what brings success in the tech sector: in Europe, IT tertiary studies are actually relatively easy to get into to, as there is relatively little demand.</p>
<p>So the &#8216;women need to work hard if they want to succeed&#8217; argument is fallacious. Research commissioned by Cisco shows that women and girls have the academic achivement needed to be in the tech sector.</p>
<p>However, girls who show preference at school level for doing further ICT studies or going into an ICT job are often dissuaded by parents, teachers and role models. There are few ICT-related role models for young girls. Parents and teachers have a distorted view of the sector, and pass this on to girls &#8211; encouraging them to choose careers in medicine, law and other fields where women are known for being successful.</p>
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		<title>By: Representation of Women in Silicon Valley IT Jobs @ Tech Crunchies &#8211; Internet Statistics and Numbers</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/10/23/stat-shot-the-silicon-ceiling-in-tech/#comment-228041</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Representation of Women in Silicon Valley IT Jobs @ Tech Crunchies &#8211; Internet Statistics and Numbers]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 05:36:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] looks more as an issue of women seeing this as a not-so-attractive industry &#8211; because of the similar percentage of representation across the various IT [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Anand</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/10/23/stat-shot-the-silicon-ceiling-in-tech/#comment-228040</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anand]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 05:19:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;So we should employ more woman and minorities in technology, especially given the degree to which technology will continue to touch our lives. &quot;

Is there any bias of sorts happening when it comes to recruitment? If that is so, that can be legally tackled.

Otherwise, just employing more women because they are less doesn&#039;t make sense. That&#039;s like devaluing meritorious candidates. Why are there less women in the industry? Probably more so because women don&#039;t like coding or IT-related stuff than because employers consider them less hard-working...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;So we should employ more woman and minorities in technology, especially given the degree to which technology will continue to touch our lives. &#8221;</p>
<p>Is there any bias of sorts happening when it comes to recruitment? If that is so, that can be legally tackled.</p>
<p>Otherwise, just employing more women because they are less doesn&#8217;t make sense. That&#8217;s like devaluing meritorious candidates. Why are there less women in the industry? Probably more so because women don&#8217;t like coding or IT-related stuff than because employers consider them less hard-working&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Brett Glass</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/10/23/stat-shot-the-silicon-ceiling-in-tech/#comment-228039</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brett Glass]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 03:57:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Many studies have shown that women pursue tech careers but often drop out at the point where one has to go into management (and, essentially, stop doing what one was trained for) or stop getting raises. At that point, starting a family begins to look a lot more attractive than a job you didn&#039;t want.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many studies have shown that women pursue tech careers but often drop out at the point where one has to go into management (and, essentially, stop doing what one was trained for) or stop getting raises. At that point, starting a family begins to look a lot more attractive than a job you didn&#8217;t want.</p>
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		<title>By: katpet</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[katpet]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 22:12:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dante, I think attitudes that women somehow can&#039;t or aren&#039;t willing to put in hard work are part of the problem.  Here&#039;s an interesting article I ran across on this subject: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/319212/Why_Women_Quit_Technology?source=rss_news10&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Why women quit technology careers&lt;/a&gt;.

Katrin]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dante, I think attitudes that women somehow can&#8217;t or aren&#8217;t willing to put in hard work are part of the problem.  Here&#8217;s an interesting article I ran across on this subject: <a href="http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/319212/Why_Women_Quit_Technology?source=rss_news10" rel="nofollow">Why women quit technology careers</a>.</p>
<p>Katrin</p>
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		<title>By: Susanne Horst</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/10/23/stat-shot-the-silicon-ceiling-in-tech/#comment-228037</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Susanne Horst]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 09:44:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have seen men solving problems by talking about it in meetings for hours while I&#039;ve seen women solve problems by working on them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have seen men solving problems by talking about it in meetings for hours while I&#8217;ve seen women solve problems by working on them.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/10/23/stat-shot-the-silicon-ceiling-in-tech/#comment-228036</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 19:47:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No way men can address women&#039;s needs?  Really?  It is a totally bankrupt proposition that you have to look like your customer to serve them well.  What you need is to respect other people, to listen to them and to design, build, sell and support according to their needs.

If people want to rise in an industry they must have the talent and be willing to make the sacrifices to be competitive there.  In the tech business that will mean taking the hard classes in school, spending more time with technology products and services than with US Weekly or Sports Illustrated, or, as another poster mentioned, putting in more hours than others are willing to, even if it means shorting family or social responsibilities.

Yes, there are boys&#039; clubs.  And white boys&#039; clubs.  And also Chinese and Indian clubs.  The clubs can be barriers to women and others, and also barriers to their own success when they won&#039;t look outside for stronger talent.  But wielding unfortunate statistics and bogus arguments won&#039;t make winning businesses.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No way men can address women&#8217;s needs?  Really?  It is a totally bankrupt proposition that you have to look like your customer to serve them well.  What you need is to respect other people, to listen to them and to design, build, sell and support according to their needs.</p>
<p>If people want to rise in an industry they must have the talent and be willing to make the sacrifices to be competitive there.  In the tech business that will mean taking the hard classes in school, spending more time with technology products and services than with US Weekly or Sports Illustrated, or, as another poster mentioned, putting in more hours than others are willing to, even if it means shorting family or social responsibilities.</p>
<p>Yes, there are boys&#8217; clubs.  And white boys&#8217; clubs.  And also Chinese and Indian clubs.  The clubs can be barriers to women and others, and also barriers to their own success when they won&#8217;t look outside for stronger talent.  But wielding unfortunate statistics and bogus arguments won&#8217;t make winning businesses.</p>
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		<title>By: Stacey Higginbotham</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/10/23/stat-shot-the-silicon-ceiling-in-tech/#comment-228035</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stacey Higginbotham]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 15:32:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Steve, I think that single sex schooling is a good option. Another is having parents who can break the mold and show kids that it&#039;s okay to not always listen to the popular culture. I agree that large parts of our culture are toxic to girls, especially if they&#039;d rather spend more time playing with computers or solving problems than putting on make-up.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve, I think that single sex schooling is a good option. Another is having parents who can break the mold and show kids that it&#8217;s okay to not always listen to the popular culture. I agree that large parts of our culture are toxic to girls, especially if they&#8217;d rather spend more time playing with computers or solving problems than putting on make-up.</p>
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		<title>By: steve</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/10/23/stat-shot-the-silicon-ceiling-in-tech/#comment-228034</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[steve]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 15:02:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good post, Sarah.  And thanks for covering this.  As a &quot;tech&quot; father of 3 with 2 daughters, these numbers are not new and always discourage.  Not that I necessarily want my girls to be coders.  But I want them to have the opportunity if that is how they are so inclined.  The fix is in education and catching girls before they fall off in math and science in middle school.  IMHO, single sex education helps many as it stem the other huge piece of this complex equation:  the toxic &quot;popular&quot; culture.

Why our girls are at Atlanta Girls&#039; School (www.atlantagirlsschool.org) here in Atlanta.

Keep up the good work!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post, Sarah.  And thanks for covering this.  As a &#8220;tech&#8221; father of 3 with 2 daughters, these numbers are not new and always discourage.  Not that I necessarily want my girls to be coders.  But I want them to have the opportunity if that is how they are so inclined.  The fix is in education and catching girls before they fall off in math and science in middle school.  IMHO, single sex education helps many as it stem the other huge piece of this complex equation:  the toxic &#8220;popular&#8221; culture.</p>
<p>Why our girls are at Atlanta Girls&#8217; School (www.atlantagirlsschool.org) here in Atlanta.</p>
<p>Keep up the good work!</p>
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		<title>By: Wayan</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/10/23/stat-shot-the-silicon-ceiling-in-tech/#comment-228033</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wayan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 13:44:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As part of the Educational Technology Debate, an initiative of infoDev at the World Bank and Unesco, we discussed why there are so few women in technology:

  Gender Equality in ICT &amp; Education
  http://edutechdebate.org/gender-equality-in-ict-education/

Though our 7-part series we found several major factors to the low numbers of women in technology and several ways to remedy the situation:
- More female IT mentors and role models for girls to connect with
- A greater focus on IT as part of every industry, especially traditionally females ones
- Increased professional development for women already in IT fields]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As part of the Educational Technology Debate, an initiative of infoDev at the World Bank and Unesco, we discussed why there are so few women in technology:</p>
<p>  Gender Equality in ICT &amp; Education<br />
  <a href="http://edutechdebate.org/gender-equality-in-ict-education/" rel="nofollow">http://edutechdebate.org/gender-equality-in-ict-education/</a></p>
<p>Though our 7-part series we found several major factors to the low numbers of women in technology and several ways to remedy the situation:<br />
- More female IT mentors and role models for girls to connect with<br />
- A greater focus on IT as part of every industry, especially traditionally females ones<br />
- Increased professional development for women already in IT fields</p>
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		<title>By: Dante</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/10/23/stat-shot-the-silicon-ceiling-in-tech/#comment-228032</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dante]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 01:44:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[More women in tech is a laudable goal, especially in terms of having a diverse group of people in the room when talking about the &quot;why are we doing this? What real life problem are we trying to solve?&quot;.

As far as execution of the idea however, the politically incorrect reality is that delivering (on-time, on-budget) products that beat the competition requires a team of pretty obsessed folks. Folks who may not think about anything but a particular technology (AJAX, Algorithms, take your pick) for most of their waking hours.

Currently, the people comfortable with this work-life imbalance are generally young white &amp; asian males. Perhaps there&#039;s a better to do it, but I don&#039;t think it&#039;s an accident that people that have accomplished great things generally had kids later in life or not at all. That&#039;s not anti-family: it&#039;s just that there&#039;s only so many hours in the day. Hard work trumps all.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More women in tech is a laudable goal, especially in terms of having a diverse group of people in the room when talking about the &#8220;why are we doing this? What real life problem are we trying to solve?&#8221;.</p>
<p>As far as execution of the idea however, the politically incorrect reality is that delivering (on-time, on-budget) products that beat the competition requires a team of pretty obsessed folks. Folks who may not think about anything but a particular technology (AJAX, Algorithms, take your pick) for most of their waking hours.</p>
<p>Currently, the people comfortable with this work-life imbalance are generally young white &amp; asian males. Perhaps there&#8217;s a better to do it, but I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s an accident that people that have accomplished great things generally had kids later in life or not at all. That&#8217;s not anti-family: it&#8217;s just that there&#8217;s only so many hours in the day. Hard work trumps all.</p>
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