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	<title>Comments on: Microsoft Considers Zune On the Mac and Apple Should Offer iTunes Subscriptions</title>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/10/09/microsoft-considers-zune-on-the-mac-and-apple-should-offer-itunes-subscriptions/#comment-359198</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Dec 2009 03:13:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t think everyone is getting that the Zune Pass isn&#039;t merely a subscription model.  You keep 10 songs each month, DRM free; this changes the dynamic quite a bit.  These songs are yours for life.  It&#039;s smart, and it&#039;s the way people are migrating.  Netflix, BaseCamp, and MobileMe are all great examples.  If Apple doesn&#039;t do something, it will lose a chunck of it&#039;s share.  I&#039;m a Mac user with an iPhone, and my household has a Zune Pass.  I haven&#039;t needed to purchase a song from iTunes for sometime now.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think everyone is getting that the Zune Pass isn&#8217;t merely a subscription model.  You keep 10 songs each month, DRM free; this changes the dynamic quite a bit.  These songs are yours for life.  It&#8217;s smart, and it&#8217;s the way people are migrating.  Netflix, BaseCamp, and MobileMe are all great examples.  If Apple doesn&#8217;t do something, it will lose a chunck of it&#8217;s share.  I&#8217;m a Mac user with an iPhone, and my household has a Zune Pass.  I haven&#8217;t needed to purchase a song from iTunes for sometime now.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/10/09/microsoft-considers-zune-on-the-mac-and-apple-should-offer-itunes-subscriptions/#comment-359197</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 08:30:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&gt;&gt;The latest version,  Zune 4.0, is described in a recent review by Paul Thurrott as “…vastly superior to its only real competition, Apple’s iTunes.” &lt;&lt;

I have read that interview and it shows the lack of detail Microsoft is giving their products. Overall it&#039;s looking good and functionality is given, but the details.

Now I know what a Zune pass is, but I want music to belong to me. I&#039;m so oldschool ^^]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt;The latest version,  Zune 4.0, is described in a recent review by Paul Thurrott as “…vastly superior to its only real competition, Apple’s iTunes.” &lt;&lt;</p>
<p>I have read that interview and it shows the lack of detail Microsoft is giving their products. Overall it&#039;s looking good and functionality is given, but the details.</p>
<p>Now I know what a Zune pass is, but I want music to belong to me. I&#039;m so oldschool ^^</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/10/09/microsoft-considers-zune-on-the-mac-and-apple-should-offer-itunes-subscriptions/#comment-359196</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jim]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 00:35:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I can&#039;t believe that you have quoted two of the biggest Microsoft zealots around. Paul Thurrott thinks that everything Microsoft makes is &#039;vastly superior to Apple&#039;. That would include Vista. Visit his winsupersite and find out. He consistently posts anti-Apple FUD at his bog, calling Apple liars and evil. And MaryJo is just a MS prostitute. Journalist should not be as biased as those two. Paul is  just a common blogger supporting his favorite team and distorting the facts about the competition. MJ just thinks that MS can do no wrong and adds mounds of hype about miserable products.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t believe that you have quoted two of the biggest Microsoft zealots around. Paul Thurrott thinks that everything Microsoft makes is &#8216;vastly superior to Apple&#8217;. That would include Vista. Visit his winsupersite and find out. He consistently posts anti-Apple FUD at his bog, calling Apple liars and evil. And MaryJo is just a MS prostitute. Journalist should not be as biased as those two. Paul is  just a common blogger supporting his favorite team and distorting the facts about the competition. MJ just thinks that MS can do no wrong and adds mounds of hype about miserable products.</p>
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		<title>By: Barry</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/10/09/microsoft-considers-zune-on-the-mac-and-apple-should-offer-itunes-subscriptions/#comment-359195</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Barry]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 22:11:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Math tutorial:

1% of 100,000,000 iTunes accounts = 1,000,000

$10 per month subscription = $10,000,000 per month

12 months gross revenue = $120,000,000

Not close to a billion in the bank each year me thinks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Math tutorial:</p>
<p>1% of 100,000,000 iTunes accounts = 1,000,000</p>
<p>$10 per month subscription = $10,000,000 per month</p>
<p>12 months gross revenue = $120,000,000</p>
<p>Not close to a billion in the bank each year me thinks.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/10/09/microsoft-considers-zune-on-the-mac-and-apple-should-offer-itunes-subscriptions/#comment-359194</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Peter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 21:17:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m not sure that&#039;s the case.  I want to own my favorite music--I don&#039;t want to rent it.  That said, I might be willing to rent songs in order to determine whether or not they will become my favorites.

At the moment, most of the music that I buy I have discovered from sources other than iTunes.  I hear it on the radio or in a movie or TV show.  iTunes isn&#039;t all that great for determining whether or not you like a particular song.

Subscriptions aren&#039;t a bad way to go in that case.  But, if I were Apple, I&#039;d take it a step further with smart playlists.

I might create a &quot;morning commute&quot; playlist.  It would contain 37 of my favorite songs.  It would contain all songs on Billboard Magazine&#039;s Top 20 whose genre is not &quot;Rap&quot; or &quot;Country.&quot;  It would contain short news, sports, and weather podcasts.

So every night, I&#039;d plug in my iPod and when I wake up in the morning, I&#039;d have a nice fresh playlist with everything I want to listen to on the ride to work.  I hit the &quot;Shuffle&quot; button and I&#039;m good to go.

For things that have Internet connections (iPhones and iPods), I could even have it wirelessly sync an &quot;afternoon commute&quot; playlist with 43 of my favorite songs, items on the Billboard Top 20 whose genre is &quot;Pop&quot; or &quot;Dance&quot; (I&#039;m a little more upbeat in the afternoons) and the news podcasts (I already know the weather and sports).

Who needs radio?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure that&#8217;s the case.  I want to own my favorite music&#8211;I don&#8217;t want to rent it.  That said, I might be willing to rent songs in order to determine whether or not they will become my favorites.</p>
<p>At the moment, most of the music that I buy I have discovered from sources other than iTunes.  I hear it on the radio or in a movie or TV show.  iTunes isn&#8217;t all that great for determining whether or not you like a particular song.</p>
<p>Subscriptions aren&#8217;t a bad way to go in that case.  But, if I were Apple, I&#8217;d take it a step further with smart playlists.</p>
<p>I might create a &#8220;morning commute&#8221; playlist.  It would contain 37 of my favorite songs.  It would contain all songs on Billboard Magazine&#8217;s Top 20 whose genre is not &#8220;Rap&#8221; or &#8220;Country.&#8221;  It would contain short news, sports, and weather podcasts.</p>
<p>So every night, I&#8217;d plug in my iPod and when I wake up in the morning, I&#8217;d have a nice fresh playlist with everything I want to listen to on the ride to work.  I hit the &#8220;Shuffle&#8221; button and I&#8217;m good to go.</p>
<p>For things that have Internet connections (iPhones and iPods), I could even have it wirelessly sync an &#8220;afternoon commute&#8221; playlist with 43 of my favorite songs, items on the Billboard Top 20 whose genre is &#8220;Pop&#8221; or &#8220;Dance&#8221; (I&#8217;m a little more upbeat in the afternoons) and the news podcasts (I already know the weather and sports).</p>
<p>Who needs radio?</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/10/09/microsoft-considers-zune-on-the-mac-and-apple-should-offer-itunes-subscriptions/#comment-359193</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 19:54:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Apart from the subscription model - I think the new Zune HD is an interesting device. The GUI looks unique and together with the Zune software it&#039;s the best what Microsoft has ever down in software development.

The Zune software would be interesting on the Mac. It looks great.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apart from the subscription model &#8211; I think the new Zune HD is an interesting device. The GUI looks unique and together with the Zune software it&#8217;s the best what Microsoft has ever down in software development.</p>
<p>The Zune software would be interesting on the Mac. It looks great.</p>
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		<title>By: keithbporter</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[keithbporter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 19:24:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A subscription model for music? I wouldn&#039;t buy it.  A subscription model for iTunes&#039; TV and Movie catalog? Now that I would consider seriously. I could dump my cable, download what I want to watch, when I want it.  If they went that route, apple tv&#039;s would fly off the shelves.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A subscription model for music? I wouldn&#8217;t buy it.  A subscription model for iTunes&#8217; TV and Movie catalog? Now that I would consider seriously. I could dump my cable, download what I want to watch, when I want it.  If they went that route, apple tv&#8217;s would fly off the shelves.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Oakes</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/10/09/microsoft-considers-zune-on-the-mac-and-apple-should-offer-itunes-subscriptions/#comment-359191</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rob Oakes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 18:37:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[While I agree with the sentiment, Apple was the very last to move away from DRM completely.  And the only real leadership they showed was the laughable &quot;Open Letter.&quot;  Every other action: charging more for DRM free tracks and only bullying the smallest of the labels into opening up their catalog, appeared designed from the start to show one thing: people don&#039;t care about copy protection on their music.

More likely, I bet something along the lines of the following was getting discussed in Apple board meetings: &quot;Sure, there&#039;s a very vocal minority who make a lot of noise, but it doesn&#039;t make a difference to the average consumer.&quot;

In case you hadn&#039;t noticed, Steve Jobs and Apple have ocasionally been known to say one thing in public and then do something completely different.  After all, why would Apple want to lose Fair Play (or whatever their DRM scheme is called)?  It forced people to stay with the iPod line.

I think a much more accurate interpretation of their actions is that Apple only started becoming enthusiastic about DRM-free when Amazon MP3 and other groups started showing that they were going to lose business by not making the move.  Yeah, it probably was all orchestrated by the Music Labels (in order to weaken Apple&#039;s media position), but that&#039;s just fine by me.  We still got the Amazon MP3 store in the process, and in case you hadn&#039;t noticed, Amazon is almost always cheaper than iTunes.

I think that if Apple could find a new way to tie consumers to the iPod, they would jump on it in a heartbeat.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I agree with the sentiment, Apple was the very last to move away from DRM completely.  And the only real leadership they showed was the laughable &#8220;Open Letter.&#8221;  Every other action: charging more for DRM free tracks and only bullying the smallest of the labels into opening up their catalog, appeared designed from the start to show one thing: people don&#8217;t care about copy protection on their music.</p>
<p>More likely, I bet something along the lines of the following was getting discussed in Apple board meetings: &#8220;Sure, there&#8217;s a very vocal minority who make a lot of noise, but it doesn&#8217;t make a difference to the average consumer.&#8221;</p>
<p>In case you hadn&#8217;t noticed, Steve Jobs and Apple have ocasionally been known to say one thing in public and then do something completely different.  After all, why would Apple want to lose Fair Play (or whatever their DRM scheme is called)?  It forced people to stay with the iPod line.</p>
<p>I think a much more accurate interpretation of their actions is that Apple only started becoming enthusiastic about DRM-free when Amazon MP3 and other groups started showing that they were going to lose business by not making the move.  Yeah, it probably was all orchestrated by the Music Labels (in order to weaken Apple&#8217;s media position), but that&#8217;s just fine by me.  We still got the Amazon MP3 store in the process, and in case you hadn&#8217;t noticed, Amazon is almost always cheaper than iTunes.</p>
<p>I think that if Apple could find a new way to tie consumers to the iPod, they would jump on it in a heartbeat.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Oakes</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/10/09/microsoft-considers-zune-on-the-mac-and-apple-should-offer-itunes-subscriptions/#comment-359190</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rob Oakes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 18:26:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There&#039;s a difference between saying &quot;No subscription music service&quot; and &quot;Not that subscription music service.&quot;  Most of the services heretofore offered have been pretty lackluster.

The Zune service, however, appears to be an exception.  The big changer?  Allowing me to keep about one album per month.  If you subtract out the album, then it&#039;s suddenly five dollars a month.

I&#039;ll pay $5 a month for unlimited music.  Particularly since it frees me from torrents and activity of dubious legal nature.  I didn&#039;t care so much when I was younger, but have changed my mind as I&#039;ve gotten older.

And if they started offering video ... well ... just sign me up now.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s a difference between saying &#8220;No subscription music service&#8221; and &#8220;Not that subscription music service.&#8221;  Most of the services heretofore offered have been pretty lackluster.</p>
<p>The Zune service, however, appears to be an exception.  The big changer?  Allowing me to keep about one album per month.  If you subtract out the album, then it&#8217;s suddenly five dollars a month.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll pay $5 a month for unlimited music.  Particularly since it frees me from torrents and activity of dubious legal nature.  I didn&#8217;t care so much when I was younger, but have changed my mind as I&#8217;ve gotten older.</p>
<p>And if they started offering video &#8230; well &#8230; just sign me up now.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Oakes</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/10/09/microsoft-considers-zune-on-the-mac-and-apple-should-offer-itunes-subscriptions/#comment-359189</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rob Oakes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 18:21:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why is it dumb?  We know from a recent study that Apple users, rather than being Apple purists and quite possibly mentally retarded, own multiple computers and electronic devices.  The Zune devices, in particular the Zune HD, is a very nice device.  In the words of one online columnist, it&#039;s quite possibly the best music dedicated music player available.

As a result, it makes really good sense for Microsoft to bring their Zune (and subscription model) to the Mac platform.  I sat down and calculated it the other day.  Between iTunes and Amazon MP3, I typically buy one or two albums a month.  This works out to about $18 or so.  That more than pays for the Zune subscription, which gets me unlimited music (of which, I get to keep 10 tracks, or about 1 album).  Getting a Zune, given my habits, would actually save me money.

What&#039;s the big thing holding me back?  Lack of a Mac specific client.  If they solved that problem, I&#039;d both get a Zune and sign up for their subscription plan.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is it dumb?  We know from a recent study that Apple users, rather than being Apple purists and quite possibly mentally retarded, own multiple computers and electronic devices.  The Zune devices, in particular the Zune HD, is a very nice device.  In the words of one online columnist, it&#8217;s quite possibly the best music dedicated music player available.</p>
<p>As a result, it makes really good sense for Microsoft to bring their Zune (and subscription model) to the Mac platform.  I sat down and calculated it the other day.  Between iTunes and Amazon MP3, I typically buy one or two albums a month.  This works out to about $18 or so.  That more than pays for the Zune subscription, which gets me unlimited music (of which, I get to keep 10 tracks, or about 1 album).  Getting a Zune, given my habits, would actually save me money.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s the big thing holding me back?  Lack of a Mac specific client.  If they solved that problem, I&#8217;d both get a Zune and sign up for their subscription plan.</p>
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