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		<title>By: kenny</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/09/24/why-you-cant-trust-google/#comment-506030</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[kenny]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Nov 2010 20:56:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[we cannot trust google because the videos says there is a toolbar in google 3d earth.But there is not.The other one I have sent to google.com.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>we cannot trust google because the videos says there is a toolbar in google 3d earth.But there is not.The other one I have sent to google.com.</p>
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		<title>By: Alfred</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/09/24/why-you-cant-trust-google/#comment-225004</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alfred]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 18:31:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ohh poor guy, 1 hour without email !
You told us yourselft that it was great not to have so much email (before you realize it was a problem).
Are you so dependent that you can not live without for 1 hour ?

And what, you aren&#039;t happy because they said &quot;a small subset&quot; and what ? Doesn&#039;t care how much, it care how fast it was resolved.

And I read : you have paid ! yeah !!!! Please, go back, buy some other solution (Microsoft, IBM or whatever), see how much it will cost for your compagny, have look how much it will go down and at leat have a look on how often you get new release !!!!

You don&#039;t like the service, GO OUT OF IT ! Make a forward, if your not big enought to make your entire compagny change, and use something else !!! No one is catching you inside Google Products ! Use Outlook (the SMTP was working well during last outage), put your contacts just in your phone, and same for your calendar !

 Like Vetinary said : stop acting like a kid Om]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ohh poor guy, 1 hour without email !<br />
You told us yourselft that it was great not to have so much email (before you realize it was a problem).<br />
Are you so dependent that you can not live without for 1 hour ?</p>
<p>And what, you aren&#8217;t happy because they said &#8220;a small subset&#8221; and what ? Doesn&#8217;t care how much, it care how fast it was resolved.</p>
<p>And I read : you have paid ! yeah !!!! Please, go back, buy some other solution (Microsoft, IBM or whatever), see how much it will cost for your compagny, have look how much it will go down and at leat have a look on how often you get new release !!!!</p>
<p>You don&#8217;t like the service, GO OUT OF IT ! Make a forward, if your not big enought to make your entire compagny change, and use something else !!! No one is catching you inside Google Products ! Use Outlook (the SMTP was working well during last outage), put your contacts just in your phone, and same for your calendar !</p>
<p> Like Vetinary said : stop acting like a kid Om</p>
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		<title>By: dmichels</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/09/24/why-you-cant-trust-google/#comment-225003</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dmichels]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 05:45:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Om,
You are becoming an influential media type, but you are too quick to through those that cross you under the bus. Yes, there was an outage, Yes, you were impacted. Yes, you are paying customer. But come on.

I don&#039;t like iPhones or AT&amp;T either, but a lot of people do. But you really threw them under the bus too. There is news, and there is these guys really pissed me off. I like your news and observations, but your editorial rants diminish your credibility.

Yes, you pay for Google Apps, so do I. I pay a lot less than I paid to maintain my MS environment and for me, it is improved reliability. If you want a higher degree of reliability go somewhere else and pay more. Google clearly is not the right answer for everyone. Every solution has its strengths and weaknesses and price point - as a business person make your decision and move on.

It is news that Gmail has had some outages. Report it. I just don&#039;t think your editorial - can&#039;t be trusted - is reasonable because your business was impacted.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Om,<br />
You are becoming an influential media type, but you are too quick to through those that cross you under the bus. Yes, there was an outage, Yes, you were impacted. Yes, you are paying customer. But come on.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t like iPhones or AT&amp;T either, but a lot of people do. But you really threw them under the bus too. There is news, and there is these guys really pissed me off. I like your news and observations, but your editorial rants diminish your credibility.</p>
<p>Yes, you pay for Google Apps, so do I. I pay a lot less than I paid to maintain my MS environment and for me, it is improved reliability. If you want a higher degree of reliability go somewhere else and pay more. Google clearly is not the right answer for everyone. Every solution has its strengths and weaknesses and price point &#8211; as a business person make your decision and move on.</p>
<p>It is news that Gmail has had some outages. Report it. I just don&#8217;t think your editorial &#8211; can&#8217;t be trusted &#8211; is reasonable because your business was impacted.</p>
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		<title>By: Vetinary</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/09/24/why-you-cant-trust-google/#comment-225002</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Vetinary]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 16:50:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Outlook crashes more than 3 times PER WEEK where i work... GMAIL is 10.000 light years ahead of ANY competition...

GO GOOGLE
(stop acting like a kid Om)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Outlook crashes more than 3 times PER WEEK where i work&#8230; GMAIL is 10.000 light years ahead of ANY competition&#8230;</p>
<p>GO GOOGLE<br />
(stop acting like a kid Om)</p>
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		<title>By: JP Seabury</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/09/24/why-you-cant-trust-google/#comment-225001</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JP Seabury]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 23:58:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The implication here is that if you made the investment in your own servers, applications, and IT resourcees to maintain them, you would have 100% uptime (or at least a much higher uptime than you currently enjoy).

Do you really believe that?

What would that increased reliability cost your organization, in terms of budget allocations?

If the ROI is worthwhile, why do you not persue that?

It&#039;s easy to complain about #gfail, but what purpose does it serve?  Better to spend your time crunching the numbers and determine which is the most cost-effective for your organization.  For our us, it&#039;s still to operate our business in the cloud.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The implication here is that if you made the investment in your own servers, applications, and IT resourcees to maintain them, you would have 100% uptime (or at least a much higher uptime than you currently enjoy).</p>
<p>Do you really believe that?</p>
<p>What would that increased reliability cost your organization, in terms of budget allocations?</p>
<p>If the ROI is worthwhile, why do you not persue that?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s easy to complain about #gfail, but what purpose does it serve?  Better to spend your time crunching the numbers and determine which is the most cost-effective for your organization.  For our us, it&#8217;s still to operate our business in the cloud.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Stroh</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/09/24/why-you-cant-trust-google/#comment-225000</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve Stroh]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 22:22:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The question isn&#039;t really &quot;will Gmail go down&quot; (it inevitably WILL... we haven&#039;t learned how to make perfectly reliable computer systems yet)...

The real question is COULD your organization do collaboration system:
That replicates the functionality of Gmail and Apps?
Higher reliability than Google has achieved with Gmail?
Anywhere near the convenience of Gmail?
For a reasonable cost?

My guess is... no, you couldn&#039;t..

Yeah, it hurts when Gmail and Apps go down, but given how much more productive I am using it, the minimal downtime is a reasonable tradeoff, especially for those of us who haven&#039;t ponied up for the paid versions.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The question isn&#8217;t really &#8220;will Gmail go down&#8221; (it inevitably WILL&#8230; we haven&#8217;t learned how to make perfectly reliable computer systems yet)&#8230;</p>
<p>The real question is COULD your organization do collaboration system:<br />
That replicates the functionality of Gmail and Apps?<br />
Higher reliability than Google has achieved with Gmail?<br />
Anywhere near the convenience of Gmail?<br />
For a reasonable cost?</p>
<p>My guess is&#8230; no, you couldn&#8217;t..</p>
<p>Yeah, it hurts when Gmail and Apps go down, but given how much more productive I am using it, the minimal downtime is a reasonable tradeoff, especially for those of us who haven&#8217;t ponied up for the paid versions.</p>
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		<title>By: joyhaa</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/09/24/why-you-cant-trust-google/#comment-224999</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[joyhaa]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 22:07:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[10 years with yahoo mail, i have to say it&#039;s the best]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>10 years with yahoo mail, i have to say it&#8217;s the best</p>
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		<title>By: Dagmar d'Surreal</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/09/24/why-you-cant-trust-google/#comment-224998</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dagmar d'Surreal]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 21:33:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So, we&#039;re supposed to think you&#039;re not just another clueless complainer when you&#039;re citing an outage of the _web frontend_ as if it were the end of the world?  That entire day, pop3 and imap3 were still available, as was SMTP.  No one lost mail, mail didn&#039;t even bounce.

Perhaps you&#039;ll have something worth reporting if and when Twitter starts being used for something that matters, other than a pooling place for people to post things without bothering to see if they&#039;re accurate or even half true.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, we&#8217;re supposed to think you&#8217;re not just another clueless complainer when you&#8217;re citing an outage of the _web frontend_ as if it were the end of the world?  That entire day, pop3 and imap3 were still available, as was SMTP.  No one lost mail, mail didn&#8217;t even bounce.</p>
<p>Perhaps you&#8217;ll have something worth reporting if and when Twitter starts being used for something that matters, other than a pooling place for people to post things without bothering to see if they&#8217;re accurate or even half true.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/09/24/why-you-cant-trust-google/#comment-224997</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 18:34:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not sure why it&#039;s showing I&#039;m anonymous since I&#039;m logged in with fbook connect. My name is Jason Rundell.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not sure why it&#8217;s showing I&#8217;m anonymous since I&#8217;m logged in with fbook connect. My name is Jason Rundell.</p>
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		<title>By: martin</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/09/24/why-you-cant-trust-google/#comment-224996</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[martin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 18:17:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[i totally agree with you.
the article is dumb and nobody is perfect, never.

but its right that it should be easily possible to change your mail provider or whatever...
google has a team for that. only to make it easy to go away.
i like that.

and i trust google.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i totally agree with you.<br />
the article is dumb and nobody is perfect, never.</p>
<p>but its right that it should be easily possible to change your mail provider or whatever&#8230;<br />
google has a team for that. only to make it easy to go away.<br />
i like that.</p>
<p>and i trust google.</p>
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		<title>By: maoyee</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/09/24/why-you-cant-trust-google/#comment-224995</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[maoyee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 16:32:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;its offerings are as unreliable as those of any other service provider.&quot;
Or you can say its offerings are as good as others.
Haha.
So, Why Google?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;its offerings are as unreliable as those of any other service provider.&#8221;<br />
Or you can say its offerings are as good as others.<br />
Haha.<br />
So, Why Google?</p>
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		<title>By: Gp Webs</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/09/24/why-you-cant-trust-google/#comment-224994</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gp Webs]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 13:46:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[one hour for mail not working for a blogger ...how bad it can be for his  business !! lol

i worked in fortune 500 financial operations all systems went donmn all the time .....our system uptime was 96 to 98% .....so 5 nines is just a myth ....

On serious note google infra is supposed to scale and be fault tolerant , they have designed it this way eg big table , gfs , map reduce ...certainly something is not working

.....i would recommend om get a linux box install zimbra  or get some one to do it]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>one hour for mail not working for a blogger &#8230;how bad it can be for his  business !! lol</p>
<p>i worked in fortune 500 financial operations all systems went donmn all the time &#8230;..our system uptime was 96 to 98% &#8230;..so 5 nines is just a myth &#8230;.</p>
<p>On serious note google infra is supposed to scale and be fault tolerant , they have designed it this way eg big table , gfs , map reduce &#8230;certainly something is not working</p>
<p>&#8230;..i would recommend om get a linux box install zimbra  or get some one to do it</p>
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		<title>By: Marco Jardim</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/09/24/why-you-cant-trust-google/#comment-224993</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Marco Jardim]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 13:17:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with most of what you said in your article, except for one thing.

You can&#039;t presume that just because a lot of people  were complaining on twitter that it affected a large number of users. Whenever something goes wrong with a product or service you only hear about it from the people that had problems, not from the people that didn&#039;t.

That doesn&#039;t prove that many, or all, Gmail users weren&#039;t affected, but there simply is no way for anyone to prove it except Google themselves.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with most of what you said in your article, except for one thing.</p>
<p>You can&#8217;t presume that just because a lot of people  were complaining on twitter that it affected a large number of users. Whenever something goes wrong with a product or service you only hear about it from the people that had problems, not from the people that didn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>That doesn&#8217;t prove that many, or all, Gmail users weren&#8217;t affected, but there simply is no way for anyone to prove it except Google themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Accettura</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/09/24/why-you-cant-trust-google/#comment-224992</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert Accettura]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 12:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;We are aware of a problem with Google Mail affecting a small subset of users&quot;

I actually do believe it.  Most people who follow this blog, use Twitter (and follow each other), and use Facebook... are all overlapping.  Likely 80%+ live in the US.  80% of that on either coast.

So everything is magnified.  One village has an outbreak of the flu... when you have minimal communication with the outside world it looks like the end of times... until you realize it&#039;s just a handful of people in 1 village.

If it were a global outage, I think it would have been much more obvious.  Would have been totally dead, and wouldn&#039;t have resurrected so quick.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;We are aware of a problem with Google Mail affecting a small subset of users&#8221;</p>
<p>I actually do believe it.  Most people who follow this blog, use Twitter (and follow each other), and use Facebook&#8230; are all overlapping.  Likely 80%+ live in the US.  80% of that on either coast.</p>
<p>So everything is magnified.  One village has an outbreak of the flu&#8230; when you have minimal communication with the outside world it looks like the end of times&#8230; until you realize it&#8217;s just a handful of people in 1 village.</p>
<p>If it were a global outage, I think it would have been much more obvious.  Would have been totally dead, and wouldn&#8217;t have resurrected so quick.</p>
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		<title>By: Fred Amarole</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/09/24/why-you-cant-trust-google/#comment-224991</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Fred Amarole]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 12:06:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Comparing Google&#039;s GMAIL to a company&#039;s Exchange Server does not seem valid to me. If a single enterprise&#039;s email server goes down for an hour it impacts only that company. If Google has millions of customers and businesses on their platform and their services are down for an hour, the effect is widespread and at a single period in time. One company becomes responsible for a worldwide loss in productivity in the millions/billions/trillions of dollars.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Comparing Google&#8217;s GMAIL to a company&#8217;s Exchange Server does not seem valid to me. If a single enterprise&#8217;s email server goes down for an hour it impacts only that company. If Google has millions of customers and businesses on their platform and their services are down for an hour, the effect is widespread and at a single period in time. One company becomes responsible for a worldwide loss in productivity in the millions/billions/trillions of dollars.</p>
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		<title>By: JT</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/09/24/why-you-cant-trust-google/#comment-224990</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JT]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 11:39:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[overreacting much?

people only complain about trains running late]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>overreacting much?</p>
<p>people only complain about trains running late</p>
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