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	<title>Comments on: Skype Kills Extras (and Its Developer Ecosystem)</title>
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		<title>By: Om</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/09/11/skype-kills-extras/#comment-223812</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 00:51:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;Om,&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;What is the current status of the Skype Extras?  Can I reach you by phone or e-mail?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Thanks,
Rosalind Rock&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Om,</p>
<p>What is the current status of the Skype Extras?  Can I reach you by phone or e-mail?</p>
<p>Thanks,<br />
Rosalind Rock</p>
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		<title>By: Shawn</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/09/11/skype-kills-extras/#comment-223811</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Shawn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 21:33:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great point about GVoice &quot;getting there&quot; before Skype. There&#039;s definition something there, and it will be very interesting to see what happens with Wave this fall.

OnState (also a horn toot - http://www.on-state.com) is in a very similar place to Fonolo. We make virtual call center and virtual PBX software that is platform independent, but Skype was one of our original platforms of choice, and remains a reliable underlying source of communications for us and many of our clients. So while the impact of this move will not negatively affect us, it remains a bit of a head-scratcher nonetheless. I&#039;m hopeful that this is a move by Skype to rid themselves of non-productive &quot;partners&quot; (not all the dissimilar from what they did to the partners section of their website back at the end of April) and come out with an enhanced version later. Some insight on this would be helpful, though.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great point about GVoice &#8220;getting there&#8221; before Skype. There&#8217;s definition something there, and it will be very interesting to see what happens with Wave this fall.</p>
<p>OnState (also a horn toot &#8211; <a href="http://www.on-state.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.on-state.com</a>) is in a very similar place to Fonolo. We make virtual call center and virtual PBX software that is platform independent, but Skype was one of our original platforms of choice, and remains a reliable underlying source of communications for us and many of our clients. So while the impact of this move will not negatively affect us, it remains a bit of a head-scratcher nonetheless. I&#8217;m hopeful that this is a move by Skype to rid themselves of non-productive &#8220;partners&#8221; (not all the dissimilar from what they did to the partners section of their website back at the end of April) and come out with an enhanced version later. Some insight on this would be helpful, though.</p>
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		<title>By: Mishan Kontroll</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/09/11/skype-kills-extras/#comment-223810</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mishan Kontroll]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 14:10:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[On a recent project, the company I was consulting for used it for conference call meetings among dispersed developers. It worked okay, except when it didn&#039;t.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On a recent project, the company I was consulting for used it for conference call meetings among dispersed developers. It worked okay, except when it didn&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Markus Göbel's Tech News Comments</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/09/11/skype-kills-extras/#comment-223809</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Markus Göbel's Tech News Comments]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 10:47:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Skype has to be very careful because Skypeout is by far not the cheapest solution for internet phone calls. If Skype allows developers to treat the call function as a service inside of other applications, they will use Skype only for inbound calls and for the free Skype to Skype calls. Outbound calls to phone networks (PSTN) will be channeled over Skype competitors who offer cheaper prices for their SIP services.

Why Skype maybe right about killing its Extras developer program and being careful with APIs
http://www.goebel.net/technews/2009/09/why-skype-maybe-right-about-killing-its.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Skype has to be very careful because Skypeout is by far not the cheapest solution for internet phone calls. If Skype allows developers to treat the call function as a service inside of other applications, they will use Skype only for inbound calls and for the free Skype to Skype calls. Outbound calls to phone networks (PSTN) will be channeled over Skype competitors who offer cheaper prices for their SIP services.</p>
<p>Why Skype maybe right about killing its Extras developer program and being careful with APIs<br />
<a href="http://www.goebel.net/technews/2009/09/why-skype-maybe-right-about-killing-its.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.goebel.net/technews/2009/09/why-skype-maybe-right-about-killing-its.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Nacie Carson</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/09/11/skype-kills-extras/#comment-223808</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nacie Carson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 05:14:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Love your blog, and posts like this really illustrate why. Thanks for sharing, and keep up the good work!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Love your blog, and posts like this really illustrate why. Thanks for sharing, and keep up the good work!</p>
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		<title>By: jk</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/09/11/skype-kills-extras/#comment-223807</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jk]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 02:59:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Christophe - I was wondering about Pamela - thanks for clearing that up. I have found Pamela a very useful tool.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christophe &#8211; I was wondering about Pamela &#8211; thanks for clearing that up. I have found Pamela a very useful tool.</p>
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		<title>By: Christoph</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/09/11/skype-kills-extras/#comment-223806</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Christoph]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 01:07:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Whatever caused this misunderstanding in Skype’s information: Pamela and PamFax for Skype will NOT BE AFFECTED by this change in Skype, as Pamela does not use the Skype Extras system at all.
See http://www.pamnews.com/2009/09/11/no-skype-extras-anymore/ for a detailed explanation.

-Christoph
Pamela Team]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whatever caused this misunderstanding in Skype’s information: Pamela and PamFax for Skype will NOT BE AFFECTED by this change in Skype, as Pamela does not use the Skype Extras system at all.<br />
See <a href="http://www.pamnews.com/2009/09/11/no-skype-extras-anymore/" rel="nofollow">http://www.pamnews.com/2009/09/11/no-skype-extras-anymore/</a> for a detailed explanation.</p>
<p>-Christoph<br />
Pamela Team</p>
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		<title>By: Kristie Wells</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/09/11/skype-kills-extras/#comment-223805</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kristie Wells]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 23:48:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[While Extras isn&#039;t Skype’s only developer facing effort, this was certainly their most visible – a way developers could work with its API to extend functionality of the Skype application to users.

With a lot of invested Skype developers now left out in the cold, I wanted to highlight what we’re doing at Ribbit – we’re encouraging developers to extend our entire telephony platform to their own users. No matter what a developer builds, they are always inheriting the value of our communications platform, but are never in a position of competing with us.

So with this, we say come one, come all to the thwarted Skype developers. http://developer.ribbit.com/blog/ribbit-open-telephony-api-for-skype-developers/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While Extras isn&#8217;t Skype’s only developer facing effort, this was certainly their most visible – a way developers could work with its API to extend functionality of the Skype application to users.</p>
<p>With a lot of invested Skype developers now left out in the cold, I wanted to highlight what we’re doing at Ribbit – we’re encouraging developers to extend our entire telephony platform to their own users. No matter what a developer builds, they are always inheriting the value of our communications platform, but are never in a position of competing with us.</p>
<p>So with this, we say come one, come all to the thwarted Skype developers. <a href="http://developer.ribbit.com/blog/ribbit-open-telephony-api-for-skype-developers/" rel="nofollow">http://developer.ribbit.com/blog/ribbit-open-telephony-api-for-skype-developers/</a></p>
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		<title>By: powel</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/09/11/skype-kills-extras/#comment-223804</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[powel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 21:23:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[the skype buyers now just want to flip the company for decent roi, nothing else. they don&#039;t care about the technology or even the user community. increasing decline in call quality is getting worse, especially for int&#039;l calls. lbos just want to sustain it long enough to hype &amp; flip.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the skype buyers now just want to flip the company for decent roi, nothing else. they don&#8217;t care about the technology or even the user community. increasing decline in call quality is getting worse, especially for int&#8217;l calls. lbos just want to sustain it long enough to hype &amp; flip.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Sigal</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/09/11/skype-kills-extras/#comment-223803</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark Sigal]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 20:58:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[All that I can say is that Skype could have been iPhone for the desktop - think 75K apps, thriving marketplace (eBay, anyone?), thousands of developers, tremendous proprietary lock-in.  Then again, eBay could never figure out the 1+1=3 wrt Skype+PayPal+eBay so it shouldn&#039;t be surprising.

Golden opportunity missed, as I noted in my original post on the potential for Skype when the original eBay acquisition was announced:

Another Spin on eBay-Skype - http://bit.ly/3DiqZv

Check it out if interested.

Mark]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All that I can say is that Skype could have been iPhone for the desktop &#8211; think 75K apps, thriving marketplace (eBay, anyone?), thousands of developers, tremendous proprietary lock-in.  Then again, eBay could never figure out the 1+1=3 wrt Skype+PayPal+eBay so it shouldn&#8217;t be surprising.</p>
<p>Golden opportunity missed, as I noted in my original post on the potential for Skype when the original eBay acquisition was announced:</p>
<p>Another Spin on eBay-Skype &#8211; <a href="http://bit.ly/3DiqZv" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/3DiqZv</a></p>
<p>Check it out if interested.</p>
<p>Mark</p>
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		<title>By: smelly</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/09/11/skype-kills-extras/#comment-223802</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[smelly]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 20:24:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The extras are quite crappy.  I am not surprised if no one is using them.

Yes, traditionally you get more leverage from being a platform but if the developers add little value it might be more trouble than it is worth.  Maybe killing support for extras will open more opportunities down the road.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The extras are quite crappy.  I am not surprised if no one is using them.</p>
<p>Yes, traditionally you get more leverage from being a platform but if the developers add little value it might be more trouble than it is worth.  Maybe killing support for extras will open more opportunities down the road.</p>
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		<title>By: Suzanne Bowen</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/09/11/skype-kills-extras/#comment-223801</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Suzanne Bowen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 17:18:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Even PrettyMay? What about SILK?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even PrettyMay? What about SILK?</p>
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		<title>By: Gp Webs</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/09/11/skype-kills-extras/#comment-223800</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gp Webs]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 16:57:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[as one of author of skype api gide book I know aone thing for sure skype api sucks Royally !! its shame on name of api ...reason why i left skype community ........its time to skype to die ...and to take over by more open source and enterprise friendly SIP based solutions like gizmo ,wengo]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>as one of author of skype api gide book I know aone thing for sure skype api sucks Royally !! its shame on name of api &#8230;reason why i left skype community &#8230;&#8230;..its time to skype to die &#8230;and to take over by more open source and enterprise friendly SIP based solutions like gizmo ,wengo</p>
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		<title>By: Shirk</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/09/11/skype-kills-extras/#comment-223799</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Shirk]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 16:52:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Strange thought:  Is Skype preparing to abandon its P2P architecture for fear of losing to JoltID?

Skype built its franchise on the P2P architecture which let them offer free calls between computers, and super-cheap calls between a computer and a landline.  But their recent business initiatives show them moving toward selling VOIP minutes in bulk to PBX providers like Asterisk and Shoretel, even though this doesn&#039;t take advantage of the P2P architecture and the Skype client.

Dropping developer outreach to the client suggests (maybe?) further deemphasis of the P2P model.  Are we seeing them prepare to abandon their not-so-secret advantage?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Strange thought:  Is Skype preparing to abandon its P2P architecture for fear of losing to JoltID?</p>
<p>Skype built its franchise on the P2P architecture which let them offer free calls between computers, and super-cheap calls between a computer and a landline.  But their recent business initiatives show them moving toward selling VOIP minutes in bulk to PBX providers like Asterisk and Shoretel, even though this doesn&#8217;t take advantage of the P2P architecture and the Skype client.</p>
<p>Dropping developer outreach to the client suggests (maybe?) further deemphasis of the P2P model.  Are we seeing them prepare to abandon their not-so-secret advantage?</p>
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		<title>By: Laura Merling (@magicmerl)</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/09/11/skype-kills-extras/#comment-223798</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Laura Merling (@magicmerl)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 16:30:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What is happening to Skype is a word of warning to everyone rushing to build and launch their API - tech company, media, retailer or otherwise!   It takes more than opening your api and putting up a website.

Developers will help you create an amazing ecosystem if you make the effort.  It means everything from being responsive to providing extra access to those doing cool stuff, to finding a way to reward them either via visibility (fame) or letting them make money (fortune).   The early things eBay did well included having people who identified the top applications that brought value beyond just the eBay community and they helped them with introductions to VCs and potential partners and they gave them access to unique data sets that others didn&#039;t get.  The list goes on....

Your API program takes a lot of planning and management ongoing.  Some key things to think about..
- Why are you doing this? (traffic, direct revenue, brand awareness)
- Who is your audience/api consumer? (suppliers, independent developers, affiliates)
- Is your goal to be a platform (ebay), content provider(NYT), affiliate program(AWS) or functionality/service(Calais)

Developer ecosystems are tough to build, but once you do, the value is worth the challenge.  Ask eBay, Amazon, and more recently someone like Thomson Reuters Calais team.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is happening to Skype is a word of warning to everyone rushing to build and launch their API &#8211; tech company, media, retailer or otherwise!   It takes more than opening your api and putting up a website.</p>
<p>Developers will help you create an amazing ecosystem if you make the effort.  It means everything from being responsive to providing extra access to those doing cool stuff, to finding a way to reward them either via visibility (fame) or letting them make money (fortune).   The early things eBay did well included having people who identified the top applications that brought value beyond just the eBay community and they helped them with introductions to VCs and potential partners and they gave them access to unique data sets that others didn&#8217;t get.  The list goes on&#8230;.</p>
<p>Your API program takes a lot of planning and management ongoing.  Some key things to think about..<br />
- Why are you doing this? (traffic, direct revenue, brand awareness)<br />
- Who is your audience/api consumer? (suppliers, independent developers, affiliates)<br />
- Is your goal to be a platform (ebay), content provider(NYT), affiliate program(AWS) or functionality/service(Calais)</p>
<p>Developer ecosystems are tough to build, but once you do, the value is worth the challenge.  Ask eBay, Amazon, and more recently someone like Thomson Reuters Calais team.</p>
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		<title>By: geez</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/09/11/skype-kills-extras/#comment-223797</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[geez]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 16:29:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[does anyone know what happnd to jajah? are they still alive? whats the revenue that company is making?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>does anyone know what happnd to jajah? are they still alive? whats the revenue that company is making?</p>
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