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		<title>By: Cash Prizes &#187; Apple And Book Publishers Plot Kindle-Killer</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 17:59:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Cash Prizes &#187; Amazon Faces a Fight Over Its E-Books</title>
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		<title>By: Cash Prizes &#187; Coolness: Amazon’s Acquisitions and Investments, Visualized</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 16:49:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Will Skype&#8217;s Founders Put the Kibosh on eBay&#8217;s IPO Plans?</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Will Skype&#8217;s Founders Put the Kibosh on eBay&#8217;s IPO Plans?]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 21:46:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/07/25/ebays-frail-recovery-shows-how-far-its-fallen/#comment-218691</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 05:43:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mr. Kelleher,

Comparing revenues is a rather myopic way to compare these two companies.  eBay is selling a venue and some added virtual services, exclusively.  Amazon is selling material goods (and some virtual goods) for the most part. Different products means different things to consider.  The promising thing to consider in eBay&#039;s latest reports is that the number of material/virtual goods sold via eBay has begun rising again, after a bit of a slump.  You&#039;d have to do some research, but I believe eBay sold over $50billiion worth of material and virtual goods last year while Amazon sold just over $10 or $12 billion.  That did not translate into equal or even similar revenues but both companies are making plenty of money, but it&#039;s key to note that they both make money in very different ways.

If you were to factor in revenues for every item sold (by third parties, exclusively) via eBay it would blow Amazon&#039;s numbers out of the water (even after including Amazon&#039;s own &quot;not piddly number&quot; of 3rd party sellers).  And that brings us to the real question: which site, of the big sites, has the staying power and will be the dominant ecommerce force in (the ever-increasing number of) online sales to consumers over the following years/decades?  10 years ago, 5 years ago, 3 years ago, the answer was clearly eBay and so eBay&#039;s stock had a high trading price.  eBay&#039;s share of this market has slipped a bit over the past couple years (for a variety of reasons), and thus it&#039;s stock has plummeted, while Amazon&#039;s share has increased a fair bit in the same time, and thus it&#039;s stock price has grown substantially.  But for the long term, what will happen?  Which company (not just between Amazon and eBay, but all the big players) is in the best position for the long haul?  With eBay&#039;s already staggering share of the online sales market combined with it&#039;s extremely unique business model combined with it&#039;s showing strong signs of turning it&#039;s self around in a bleak economy, it seems apparent the answer is still eBay.

The fact that so many goods (i.e., a huge percentage, a near monopolistic number) are bought and sold via eBay relative to all other ecommerce sites, and the fact that eBay and it&#039;s other company PayPal each get a modest cut of every sale is what eBay has going for it.  The current eBay management understands the big picture for their business better than almost anyone else, and seems inclined to bring eBay&#039;s near-monopoly status  back to the practically-full-monopoly status it enjoyed for several years in the early days of the net, and as unlikely a prospect as that may seem, if you read what eBay&#039;s management has been saying, they seem to have a very good plan for doing so.  And when they eventually succeed, you can wager that eBay&#039;s stock will be selling at an extremely high price.  Buy It Now...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Kelleher,</p>
<p>Comparing revenues is a rather myopic way to compare these two companies.  eBay is selling a venue and some added virtual services, exclusively.  Amazon is selling material goods (and some virtual goods) for the most part. Different products means different things to consider.  The promising thing to consider in eBay&#8217;s latest reports is that the number of material/virtual goods sold via eBay has begun rising again, after a bit of a slump.  You&#8217;d have to do some research, but I believe eBay sold over $50billiion worth of material and virtual goods last year while Amazon sold just over $10 or $12 billion.  That did not translate into equal or even similar revenues but both companies are making plenty of money, but it&#8217;s key to note that they both make money in very different ways.</p>
<p>If you were to factor in revenues for every item sold (by third parties, exclusively) via eBay it would blow Amazon&#8217;s numbers out of the water (even after including Amazon&#8217;s own &#8220;not piddly number&#8221; of 3rd party sellers).  And that brings us to the real question: which site, of the big sites, has the staying power and will be the dominant ecommerce force in (the ever-increasing number of) online sales to consumers over the following years/decades?  10 years ago, 5 years ago, 3 years ago, the answer was clearly eBay and so eBay&#8217;s stock had a high trading price.  eBay&#8217;s share of this market has slipped a bit over the past couple years (for a variety of reasons), and thus it&#8217;s stock has plummeted, while Amazon&#8217;s share has increased a fair bit in the same time, and thus it&#8217;s stock price has grown substantially.  But for the long term, what will happen?  Which company (not just between Amazon and eBay, but all the big players) is in the best position for the long haul?  With eBay&#8217;s already staggering share of the online sales market combined with it&#8217;s extremely unique business model combined with it&#8217;s showing strong signs of turning it&#8217;s self around in a bleak economy, it seems apparent the answer is still eBay.</p>
<p>The fact that so many goods (i.e., a huge percentage, a near monopolistic number) are bought and sold via eBay relative to all other ecommerce sites, and the fact that eBay and it&#8217;s other company PayPal each get a modest cut of every sale is what eBay has going for it.  The current eBay management understands the big picture for their business better than almost anyone else, and seems inclined to bring eBay&#8217;s near-monopoly status  back to the practically-full-monopoly status it enjoyed for several years in the early days of the net, and as unlikely a prospect as that may seem, if you read what eBay&#8217;s management has been saying, they seem to have a very good plan for doing so.  And when they eventually succeed, you can wager that eBay&#8217;s stock will be selling at an extremely high price.  Buy It Now&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: sunil</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sunil]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 03:14:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good Going patricia, we need to expose the truth be it may ebay or google or apple or even god, these people are after profits before people, they have not able to curb inflation but just aided to fill deep pockets for the few on top, meg whitmen became a millionaire and now she sits on bankster goldman sachs board.

I have great ideas, but i&#039;m reluctant to go to venture capitalist, who are after profits, cos they never understand karma. if you know someone in America who is not after profits but greater good of the society, let me know :o), its ok this was a JOKE hehehe..no im serious let me know]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good Going patricia, we need to expose the truth be it may ebay or google or apple or even god, these people are after profits before people, they have not able to curb inflation but just aided to fill deep pockets for the few on top, meg whitmen became a millionaire and now she sits on bankster goldman sachs board.</p>
<p>I have great ideas, but i&#8217;m reluctant to go to venture capitalist, who are after profits, cos they never understand karma. if you know someone in America who is not after profits but greater good of the society, let me know :o), its ok this was a JOKE hehehe..no im serious let me know</p>
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		<title>By: Patricia</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/07/25/ebays-frail-recovery-shows-how-far-its-fallen/#comment-218689</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Patricia]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 01:50:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, there are more than one of those posts floating around.  Seems someone has been following me about and posting just about the exact same wording.  ;-)  I would think Ebay is bigger than little ole me LOL]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, there are more than one of those posts floating around.  Seems someone has been following me about and posting just about the exact same wording.  ;-)  I would think Ebay is bigger than little ole me LOL</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/07/25/ebays-frail-recovery-shows-how-far-its-fallen/#comment-218688</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 23:28:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Is James one of the handful under contract stalkers who reply to people critical of Ebay?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is James one of the handful under contract stalkers who reply to people critical of Ebay?</p>
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		<title>By: Patricia</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/07/25/ebays-frail-recovery-shows-how-far-its-fallen/#comment-218687</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Patricia]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 22:52:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[By the way &quot;james&quot; are you the same Ebay &quot;tool&quot; who posted this on the Business Week article:

&quot;To Matt  Jul 24, 2009 4:15 PM GMT Matt: You are spot on. Patricia013 (and variations of &quot;Patricia&quot;) have posted anti-eBay comments on various eBay stories at numerous web sites over the last few years. Go eBay stock value!&quot;

If so, I&#039;m flattered to have picked up a.....&quot;fan.&quot; ;-)   You really fool no one.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way &#8220;james&#8221; are you the same Ebay &#8220;tool&#8221; who posted this on the Business Week article:</p>
<p>&#8220;To Matt  Jul 24, 2009 4:15 PM GMT Matt: You are spot on. Patricia013 (and variations of &#8220;Patricia&#8221;) have posted anti-eBay comments on various eBay stories at numerous web sites over the last few years. Go eBay stock value!&#8221;</p>
<p>If so, I&#8217;m flattered to have picked up a&#8230;..&#8221;fan.&#8221; ;-)   You really fool no one.</p>
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		<title>By: Patricia</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/07/25/ebays-frail-recovery-shows-how-far-its-fallen/#comment-218686</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Patricia]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 22:43:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[James - I have opinions just like everyone else and since I&#039;m retired now and basically put out of business by John Donahoes grand new business plan I have PLENTY of time to go around and tell everyone the truth.  I speak no lies - just the truth.  If you&#039;re tired of reading it then skip my name....which is Patricia by the way.  What business is it of yours how many threads I post on?  Or is their a limit to how much truth I can post?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James &#8211; I have opinions just like everyone else and since I&#8217;m retired now and basically put out of business by John Donahoes grand new business plan I have PLENTY of time to go around and tell everyone the truth.  I speak no lies &#8211; just the truth.  If you&#8217;re tired of reading it then skip my name&#8230;.which is Patricia by the way.  What business is it of yours how many threads I post on?  Or is their a limit to how much truth I can post?</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/07/25/ebays-frail-recovery-shows-how-far-its-fallen/#comment-218685</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 20:31:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Patricia: You have the habit of posting negative comments about eBay all over the web whenever you see an article which mentions eBay. You use different variation of your name (patricia) while posting comments. What is your problem?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Patricia: You have the habit of posting negative comments about eBay all over the web whenever you see an article which mentions eBay. You use different variation of your name (patricia) while posting comments. What is your problem?</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Kelleher</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/07/25/ebays-frail-recovery-shows-how-far-its-fallen/#comment-218684</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kevin Kelleher]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 18:32:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The stock market bottomed at its lowest levels in more than decade in early March. As I explained in the post, that&#039;s why I chose that chart.

Also, people who obsess over stock charts for a living tend to regard those 1-year, YTD, etc charts as random and not very useful.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The stock market bottomed at its lowest levels in more than decade in early March. As I explained in the post, that&#8217;s why I chose that chart.</p>
<p>Also, people who obsess over stock charts for a living tend to regard those 1-year, YTD, etc charts as random and not very useful.</p>
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		<title>By: Patricia</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/07/25/ebays-frail-recovery-shows-how-far-its-fallen/#comment-218683</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Patricia]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 16:55:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ebay is becoming another Amazon/Overstock and is depending on its big name to carry them to the top of that heap.  It just isn&#039;t going to happen.  Ebay burned too many bridges in getting to its new business model.  Its not so much that Ebay wanted to change its business model - that&#039;s up to Ebay to decide - but the WAY in which they are going about it has left them with a very tarnished reputation.  Ruthlessly squeezing more and more money   and enforcing outrageous policies are putting mom and pop&#039;s out of business and that equates to slapping babies and kicking puppies around.  Its  not being done in a nice way and it will take years for them to live it down...if ever.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ebay is becoming another Amazon/Overstock and is depending on its big name to carry them to the top of that heap.  It just isn&#8217;t going to happen.  Ebay burned too many bridges in getting to its new business model.  Its not so much that Ebay wanted to change its business model &#8211; that&#8217;s up to Ebay to decide &#8211; but the WAY in which they are going about it has left them with a very tarnished reputation.  Ruthlessly squeezing more and more money   and enforcing outrageous policies are putting mom and pop&#8217;s out of business and that equates to slapping babies and kicking puppies around.  Its  not being done in a nice way and it will take years for them to live it down&#8230;if ever.</p>
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		<title>By: Sri</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/07/25/ebays-frail-recovery-shows-how-far-its-fallen/#comment-218682</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sri]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 16:52:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Your stock chart is pretty silly. Most investors tend to look at things on a YTD or 1 yr basis, not a &quot;let&#039;s print a stock chart that shows something interesting&quot; basis. AMZN has outperformed eBay on both by nearly 20 points. And of course, on a 5 year basis, AMZN has more than doubled while ebay has been basically cut in half - eg a 4x outperformance.

The point is right, that it&#039;s only a reflection of how far eBay has fallen, but I had to reply since interesting-but-manipulated graphics are my pet peeve. If someone just looks at that graphic, they could quickly think, incorrectly, the wrong things.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your stock chart is pretty silly. Most investors tend to look at things on a YTD or 1 yr basis, not a &#8220;let&#8217;s print a stock chart that shows something interesting&#8221; basis. AMZN has outperformed eBay on both by nearly 20 points. And of course, on a 5 year basis, AMZN has more than doubled while ebay has been basically cut in half &#8211; eg a 4x outperformance.</p>
<p>The point is right, that it&#8217;s only a reflection of how far eBay has fallen, but I had to reply since interesting-but-manipulated graphics are my pet peeve. If someone just looks at that graphic, they could quickly think, incorrectly, the wrong things.</p>
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		<title>By: Sunil</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/07/25/ebays-frail-recovery-shows-how-far-its-fallen/#comment-218681</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sunil]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 02:13:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Its the same story, come with hype and go down with profit, fooling everyone around.

Its a big scam people, These P/E ratios, acquisition, market cap.

In the last 10 years, is your life improved or you see prices going up all around ? Do you see more jobs ?

With all these technologies, were you able to take a long healthy break from work or got more sucked in for less salary?

These companies fire their own people and then come up with new products, its insane for profits for the top few.

I&#039;m waiting for one tech writer to criticizes the whole tech industry that is now based on lies.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its the same story, come with hype and go down with profit, fooling everyone around.</p>
<p>Its a big scam people, These P/E ratios, acquisition, market cap.</p>
<p>In the last 10 years, is your life improved or you see prices going up all around ? Do you see more jobs ?</p>
<p>With all these technologies, were you able to take a long healthy break from work or got more sucked in for less salary?</p>
<p>These companies fire their own people and then come up with new products, its insane for profits for the top few.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m waiting for one tech writer to criticizes the whole tech industry that is now based on lies.</p>
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		<title>By: Lenley</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/07/25/ebays-frail-recovery-shows-how-far-its-fallen/#comment-218680</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lenley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 22:10:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think James has an interesting take, for a long time it seems that people have given amazon favorable treatment, regardless of how Amazon&#039;s ventures actually turn out. The PE ratios say a lot.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think James has an interesting take, for a long time it seems that people have given amazon favorable treatment, regardless of how Amazon&#8217;s ventures actually turn out. The PE ratios say a lot.</p>
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